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Started by LionOfIslam, May 23, 2011, 02:03:01 PM

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Paradox Uncreated

Quote from: LionOfIslam on May 23, 2011, 09:40:14 PM
Why don't you first answer what i've said above. The Umatul Wasat, the mention of bad and good ulema. And so on and so forth. If you won't i will not repost anything.

Actually debating is really hardening the heart that is suppose to be soft.

At Tirmidhee reposts a hasan hadeeth, from Abu Umaamah, who said: Allahs messenger said, "A People never went astray after being upon guidance except through disputation". Then Allaahs messenger recitied
"This they set forth to you, only by way of argument. Nay, but they are a contentious people." Surah Az Zukhruf (43):58.

There are some questions that you simply can't answer. Point blank period. So wait, we are waiting too.

Please, be patient, and answer the following question? Is this hadith, from Mohammed or God?
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SarahY

Brother you are obviously being evasive, if you have a question please ask it. You cannot expect someone to answer you when you bombard them with so many thoughts. Would the Rasool do such a thing? The Rasool had the best mannerism and etiquettes if you truly follow the ahlul sunnah wal jama3a you will be honoured to share your knowledge.

we haven't started an argument for you to share verses of hadith and Quran about disputes. ATM it seems we are disputing what the problem is.

What exactly do you want answered above? Give a specific question you don?t just throw an encyclopaedia at someone and ask them "tell me what it all says". Pick a question and we?ll go from there.

salam
We all have blind spots.
Follow your heart but take your brain with you.
ambiguity is there for a reason, why do you think?
We're all different, so how can we all be equal?

raginggaijin

Quote from: LionOfIslam on May 23, 2011, 09:41:48 PM
Keep in mind, we are not Sunni, [u]we are Muslims[/u] who are among Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jamah. And i agree with you that the shia are rediculous, but they are your brothers because they attack the hadith traditions as well.

No, YOU are NOT a Muslim.
You disobey Allah and the Prophet Muhammad. Peace be upon all the Prophets of Allah.

Don't believe me? Call me a liar? Demand I bring proof of my claim? Yes, let us bring our proof.

Let's take a test and see who really serves Allah and obeys the Prophet, and who does not.

This is ?pass or fail?, just as it will be on the Day of Judgment. Let us see who truly rejects the Quran.

Only in the Quran, the pure, protected revelation, do we have proof of the Messenger?s words:
"Say: 'I do not find, in what is revealed to me, anything forbidden to him who eats thereof except it be carrion, or blood outpoured, or the flesh of swine -- that is unclean -- or an ungodly thing that has been blessed to other than Allah; yet whoso is constrained, not desiring nor transgressing, surely thy Lord is All-forgiving, All-compassionate.'" Surah 6:145
That is the Prophet Muhammad speaking. He states nothing is forbidden EXCEPT four specific foods. Carrion, blood, flesh of swine, and food blessed to another god.

Now turn to hadith, and count how many foods are forbidden within.
Then look to the additions in the Torah and find the same forbidden foods as the Jews ? Orthodox Yahduians who follow the Talmud, also known as the Oral Law; hadith of Moses.

Beasts with fangs:  Sahih Bukhari #5527, Sahih Muslim # 2721
Donkey Meat: Sahih Bukhari #5521
Birds with talons: Sahih Muslim # 4752
Amphibians: Saheeh Jaami #6970

Beasts with fangs:  Lev. 11:3; Deut. 14:6
Donkey Meat: Lev. 11:3-4, Deut. 14:7
Birds with talons: Lev. 11:13-20, Deut. 14:12
Amphibians: Lev. 11:29-30, 42-43, Deut. 14:10

Halal/kosher food: Lev. 11:1-46, Deut. 14:3-21

Allah revealed to the Messenger that all foods not forbidden in the Quran were permitted to the People of the Book.
?Today the good things are permitted you, and the food of those who were given the Book is permitted to you, and permitted to them is your food; Likewise believing women in wedlock, and in wedlock women of them who were given the Book before you if you give them their wages, in wedlock and not in licence, or as taking lovers. Whoso disbelieves in the faith, his work has failed, and in the world to come he shall be among the losers.? Surah 5:5

When proof is given, who is shown to reject the Quran and who is shown to uphold it?

"The Truth has come and falsehood vanished. Surely falsehood is ever bound to vanish." Surah 17:81, 34:47-50

Only believers, Muslims with faith in their heart who uphold the revelation of Allah, the word of an honored Messenger, pass the test. Surah 69:40-43, 81:19


Allah condemns hadiths: Surah 7:185,12:111, 31:6, 45:6, 52:34, 68:44, 77:50
?These are the communications of Allah which We recite to you with truth; then in what saying (hadeethin) would they believe after Allah and His communications?? Surah 45:6
?Allah has revealed the best saying (hadeethin), a Book (Kitaban) conformable in its various parts, repeating, whereat do shudder the skins of those who fear their Lord, then their skins and their hearts become pliant to the remembrance of Allah; this is Allah's guidance, He guides with it whom He pleases; and (as for) him whom Allah makes err, there is no guide for him.? Surah 39:23

Those who uphold hadith reject the Quran. Allah has not given authority to follow anything but what He revealed.

?Follow what has been revealed to you from your Lord and do not follow guardians besides Him, how little do you mind.? Surah 7:3

You are not a Muslim. Call yourself a Jew, a Christian, a Sunni, a Shia, Islamist, call yourself whatever you want. But you can never call yourself a Muslim as long as you associate partners with Allah.

Enjoy this life. Surah 14:30, 4:56

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rraza

Jeez..stop with the labels everybody! Faith and Religion is SUPPOSED to  bring harmony. Stop fighting over who is and is not a muslim. THats none of your business or concern. Let God be the judge of that.

Also LionofIslam, I would recommend you to actually repost your questions one at a time and let us all give answers and ask questions and reach towards a better understanding of the word of God. If your intention is to solely throw accusations, then your just wasting your time. We all agree Quran to be the word of God..so lets use that as a common ground to start off asking questions and receiving answers.

salam
hell...is simply an absence of God

Paradox Uncreated

Just reply naturally, please. I believe that is a good part of what "surrender" is about. Yes, he came in here steered by an offensive hadith. That provokes, and naturally people react. But you don`t have to be regurgitating lexicons, or entire articles, just because of it. But if you feel like contribution to the discussing, in some aspect, do that.

Engange in dialogue, in the best of ways.
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Paradox Void is an attribute of God, or any other entity it should point to, which is the same entity.
Designer of all dimensions. Former of forms, shaper of shapes. According to truth.
Peace.

mmkhan

Quote from: LionOfIslam on May 23, 2011, 02:03:01 PM
I'd like to answer the Heretics on this forum and the points of this article below

My writing is in blue insha'Allah
To the verses you quoted, this is obviously talking about what you see on CNN, FOX and other wise

[005:041]    Oh messenger! Do not let those who rush to reject (the truth) cause you any grief. Among them are those who say, ?We believe!? by their tongue, while their hearts do not believe. Among them are (many) Jews who listen solely for the sake of lying (later on). They spy for others who do not come to you. They (misquote you and) change the words out of context. (To their followers) they say, ?Accede and accept if you are told such and such, and be weary if you are told anything different.? You (Oh Muhammad, SAW) have no authority at all to help the one whom Allah wants to (tempt and) test through an ordeal. They are among those whose hearts Allah has chosen not to cleanse and purify. Disgrace (and defeat) is their lot in this world, and in the life-to-come they shall face the severest (most awful) punishment.

You Lot are a bunch of Munafiqs because of this verse


As many, you have wrongly quoted the aayat above. There is NO (Oh Mohammad, SAW) nor it is referring to Prophet Mohammed. Before labeling others with your 'favorite titles' please take a look at the link below:

http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9602494.0

Hope this may help you understand better, inshaAllah.


May Allah guide us all to His only path  :pr
Mohammed M. Khan
6:162    قل إن صلاتي ونسكي ومحياي ومماتي لله رب العلمين
6:162    Say: My contact prayer, and my rites, and my life, and my death, are all to Allah, Lord of the worlds.

3:51

mmkhan

Quote from: LionOfIslam on May 23, 2011, 02:14:00 PM
AS well what is the context of this verse??

[009:040]    If you fail to help the prophet, (Allah will)! Allah had certainly helped him when the unbelievers had driven him out (of the town). He was (at that time) one of the two. The two of them were (hiding) in a cave when he said to his companion, ?Do not worry, Allah is with us.? So Allah, by His grace, caused the (reassuring) peace and serenity to descend upon him. (Allah) strengthened him with forces you could not see. He brought the words (and slogans) of the unbelievers down to the lowest level, while the word of Allah is (always) Supreme. Allah is the Almighty, and the Wisest.


Where did you get "the prophet" in the aayat brother, I don't see it in Arabic text. Do you follow the same AlQuraan that I follow?  :hmm


Mohammed M. Khan
6:162    قل إن صلاتي ونسكي ومحياي ومماتي لله رب العلمين
6:162    Say: My contact prayer, and my rites, and my life, and my death, are all to Allah, Lord of the worlds.

3:51

mmkhan

Quote from: LionOfIslam on May 23, 2011, 02:55:32 PM
We all know the quranic statement that "Obeying Mohammed is Obeying God".
How can then the hadithist state that obeying Mohammed in hadith, which are not inspired by God, to be Obeying God?


Again a wrong quote. Allah never said the above red highlighted part in AlQuraan as you claim. As I said in my previous post please follow http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9602494.0


Mohammed M. Khan
6:162    قل إن صلاتي ونسكي ومحياي ومماتي لله رب العلمين
6:162    Say: My contact prayer, and my rites, and my life, and my death, are all to Allah, Lord of the worlds.

3:51

mmkhan

Quote from: LionOfIslam on May 23, 2011, 03:01:58 PM
Reading upon this forum, a lot of you people are confused. Try to give your own interpretation of the Quran and are very much disunited in your thinking. You say the "personal" Muhammad peace be upon him is not true.

His wives were mentioned, moments of his life, his name 4 times.

It was also said in the Quran about him

لَّقَدْ كَانَ لَكُمْ فِي رَسُولِ اللَّـهِ أُسْوَةٌ حَسَنَةٌ لِّمَن كَانَ يَرْجُو اللَّـهَ وَالْيَوْمَ الْآخِرَ وَذَكَرَ اللَّـهَ كَثِيرًا ﴿٢١﴾

[33:21] Sahih International
There has certainly been for you in the Messenger of Allah an excellent pattern for anyone whose hope is in Allah and the Last Day and [who] remembers Allah often.

The you is a personal you, Allah said that the pattern of the Messenger of Allah, why would he not specify that him conducting towards the Quran? Allah talks about this pattern than there must be explanation, reports, and stories of this pattern.


So, how about this:

60:4    قد كانت لكم أسوة حسنة في إبرهيم والذين معه إذ قالوا لقومهم إنا برءؤا منكم ومما تعبدون من دون الله كفرنا بكم وبدا بيننا وبينكم العدوة والبغضاء أبدا حتى تؤمنوا بالله وحده إلا قول إبرهيم لأبيه لأستغفرن لك وما أملك لك من الله من شيء ربنا عليك توكلنا وإليك أنبنا وإليك المصير
60:4    There has been a good example set for you by Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: We are innocent from you and what you serve besides Allah. We have rejected you, and it appears that there shall be animosity and hatred between us and you until you believe in Allah alone. Except for the saying of Abraham to his father: I will ask forgiveness for you, but I do not possess any power to protect you from Allah. Our Lord, we have put our trust in You, and we turn to You, and to You is the final destiny.


It came with the name Ibrahim (AS) and others with them. Do we have to search for Ibrahim's (AS) hadeeth to get his uswa or pattern?


May Allah guide us all to His only path  :pr
Mohammed M. Khan
6:162    قل إن صلاتي ونسكي ومحياي ومماتي لله رب العلمين
6:162    Say: My contact prayer, and my rites, and my life, and my death, are all to Allah, Lord of the worlds.

3:51

raginggaijin

Quote from: rraza on May 25, 2011, 07:40:51 AM
Jeez..stop with the labels everybody! Faith and Religion is SUPPOSED to  bring harmony. Stop fighting over who is and is not a muslim. THats none of your business or concern. Let God be the judge of that.

"Jeez"? Why do you invoke a pagan god?

geez (jz)
interj.
Used to express mild surprise, delight, dissatisfaction, or annoyance.
[Shortening and alteration of Jesus.]

'Jee-zeus' origins:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSgEVgFSau4

Be careful of who you associate with. You will become like them if you take them as intimates, guardians, and friends.

On the contrary, we ARE to be concerned who is an unbeliever and who is a believer.

"He has sent down upon you in the Book: 'When you hear Allah's signs being disbelieved and made mock of, do not sit with them until they plunge into some other talk, or else you will surely be like to them.' Allah will gather the hypocrites and the unbelievers all in Gehenna." Surah 4:140

"Those who disbelieve and bar from Allah's way, Allah will send their works astray.
But those who believe and do righteous deeds and believe in what is sent down to Muhammad -- and it is the truth from their Lord -- He will acquit them of their evil deeds, and dispose their minds aright.
That is because those who disbelieve follow falsehood, and those who believe follow the truth from their Lord. Even so Allah strikes their similitudes for men."
Surah 47:1-3

"O Prophet, struggle with the unbelievers and the hypocrites, and be thou harsh with them; their refuge shall be Gehenna -- an evil homecoming!"
Surah 66:9

"Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and those who are with him are strong (ashiddao) against the unbelievers, merciful one to another. Thou seest them bowing, prostrating, seeking bounty from God and good pleasure. Their mark is on their faces, the trace of prostration. That is their likeness in the Torah, and their likeness in the Gospel: as a seed that puts forth its shoot, and strengthens it, and it grows stout and rises straight upon its stalk, pleasing the sowers, that through them He may enrage the unbelievers. Allah has promised those of them who believe and do deeds of righteousness forgiveness and a mighty wage."
Surah 48:29

"And when a certain nation of them said, 'Why do you admonish a people God is about to destroy or to chastise with a terrible chastisement?' They said, 'As an excuse to your Lord; and haply they will be godfearing.'
So, when they forgot that they were reminded of; We delivered those who were forbidding wickedness, and We seized the evildoers with evil chastisement for their ungodliness."
Surah 7:164-165

This man came to fight, enraged by the actions of those who serve Allah and do not associate partners with Him.
Proof is given he is led astray by the teachings of satans and associates partners with Allah.

Are you saying those who associate partners with Allah are Muslims?
If this is your claim, please provide proof from the Quran to support this.
If you are not saying this nor can you prove your claim, why are you being an advocate for those who bar from Allah's way?


"Surely We have sent down to thee the Book with the truth, so that thou mayest judge between the people by that Allah has shown thee. So be not an advocate for the traitors;"
Surah 4:105


Do not become friends/intimates with disbelievers:
Surah 4:139, 4:144, 5:51, 5:57, 6:71, 6:129, 7:3, 7:27, 7:30, 9:23, 18:50, 58:14, 60:1, 60:13
?Those who take unbelievers for their friends instead of believers -- do they seek glory in them? But glory altogether belongs to God.? 4:139
?O believers, take not the unbelievers as friends instead of the believers; or do you desire to give God over you a clear authority?? Surah 4:144
?O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Whoso of you makes them his friends is one of them. God guides not the people of the evildoers.? Surah 5:51
?O believers, take not as your friends those of them, who were given the Book before you, and the unbelievers, who take your religion in mockery and as a sport -- and fear God, if you are believers ?? Surah 5:57
?Thou seest many of them making unbelievers their friends. Evil is that they have forwarded to their account, that God is angered against them, and in the chastisement they shall dwell forever.
Yet had they believed in God and the Prophet and what has been sent down to him, they would not have taken them as friends; but many of them are ungodly.?
Surah 5:80-81
?Say: 'Shall we call, apart from God, on that which neither profits nor hurts us, and shall we be turned back on our heels after that God has guided us? -- Like one lured to bewilderment in the earth by Satans, though he has friends who call him to guidance, "Come to us!" Say: 'God's guidance is the true guidance, and we are commanded to surrender to the Lord of all Being,? Surah 6:71
?So We make the evildoers friends of each other for what they have earned.? Surah 6:129
?Children of Adam! Let not Satan tempt you as he brought your parents out of the Garden, stripping them of their garments to show them their shameful parts. Surely he sees you, he and his tribe, from where you see them not. We have made the Satans the friends of those who do not believe.? Surah 7:27
?a part He guided, and a part justly disposed to error -- they have taken Satans for friends instead of God, and think them guided.'? Surah 7:30
?O believers, take not your fathers and brothers to be your friends, if they prefer unbelief to belief; whosoever of you takes them for friends, those -- they are the evildoers.? Surah 9:23
?And when We said to the angels, 'Bow yourselves to Adam'; so they bowed themselves, save Iblis; he was one of the jinn, and committed ungodliness against his Lord's command. What, and do you take him and his seed to be your friends, apart from Me, and they an enemy to you? How evil is that exchange for the evildoers!? Surah 18:50
?Hast thou not regarded those who have taken for friends a people against whom God is wrathful? They belong neither to you nor to them; and they swear upon falsehood, and that wittingly.? Surah 58:14
?O believers, take not My enemy and your enemy for friends, offering them love, though they have disbelieved in the truth that has come to you, expelling the Messenger and you because you believe in God your Lord. If you go forth to struggle in My way and seek My good pleasure, secretly loving them, yet I know very well what you conceal and what you publish; and whosoever of you does that, has gone astray from the right way.? Surah 60:1
?O believers, take not for friends a people against whom God is wrathful, and who have despaired of the world to come, even as the unbelievers have despaired of the inhabitants of the tombs.? Surah 60:13

Allah is clear how we are to treat peaceful disbelievers and aggressive disbelievers.

"God forbids you not, as regards those who have not fought you in religion's cause, nor expelled you from your habitations, that you should be kindly to them, and act justly towards them; surely God loves the just.
God only forbids you as to those who have fought you in religion's cause, and expelled you from your habitations, and have supported in your expulsion, that you should take them for friends. And whosoever takes them for friends, those -- they are the evildoers."
Surah 60:8-9

This man is no friend of mine. His words and actions prove his intent. He desires to come here and attack the believers. He desires to drive us out with false-claims we are not Muslims and his satanic sect is. He desires to label the Muslims as 'kafir' so his follow-up actions are made appealing to him.

There are believers who desire to serve Allah, and are not afraid to fight against those who would attack us for our beliefs.

We are to embrace peace. But when the fight comes to us, we are not to be afraid to stand up for our beliefs.

"O believers, when you encounter the unbelievers marching to battle, turn not your backs to them. Whoso turns his back that day to them, unless withdrawing to fight again or removing to join another host, he is laden with the burden of God's anger, and his refuge is Gehenna -- an evil homecoming!" Surah 8:15-16

We fight with words now so we will not require swords later, insha'Allah.

May Allah increase the believers in knowledge.

Peace.

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