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Started by mmkhan, May 24, 2011, 04:09:27 PM

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mmkhan

Salaam all,

I apologize if I have posted this in wrong category, moderator(s) may please put this thread in correct category if they find it wrongly posted. Please note that this topic is not about Hadiths. Thanks.

'atiAllaha wa 'atialRasoola is the term always used by Sunnis, Shias and others in order to mix Hadiths with AlQuraan. We will see the aayaats mostly and strongly used by those sects to mix Hadiths with AlQuraan below, inshaAllah.


3:32    قل أطيعوا الله والرسول فإن تولوا فإن الله لا يحب الكفرين
3:32    Say: Obey Allah and the messenger. But if they turn away, then Allah does not love the rejecters.

Is this 'AL+RASOOL' referring to Prophet Mohammed? The answer is "NO".


3:132    وأطيعوا الله والرسول لعلكم ترحمون
3:132    And obey Allah and the messenger so that you may obtain mercy.

Is this 'AL+RASOOL' referring to Prophet Mohammed? The answer is "NO".


4:59    يأيها الذين ءامنوا أطيعوا الله وأطيعوا الرسول وأولي الأمر منكم فإن تنزعتم في شيء فردوه إلى الله والرسول إن كنتم تؤمنون بالله واليوم الاءخر ذلك خير وأحسن تأويلا
4:59    O you who believe, obey Allah and obey the messenger and those in authority among you. But if you dispute in any matter, then you shall refer it to Allah and to the messenger if you believe in Allah and the Last Day. That is better and more suitable for knowing.

Are these 'AL+RASOOL' referring to Prophet Mohammed? The answer is "NO".


4:69    ومن يطع الله والرسول فأولئك مع الذين أنعم الله عليهم من النبين والصديقين والشهداء والصلحين وحسن أولئك رفيقا
4:69    And whoever obeys Allah and the messenger will be among those whom Allah has blessed from the prophets and the truthful and the martyrs and the upright. What an excellent companionship!

Is this 'AL+RASOOL' referring to Prophet Mohammed? The answer is "NO". There are many more aayaats that they wrongly use to prove Hadiths as the obeying of Prophet Mohammed.

Other aayaats are 4:115, 5:67, 5:99, 7:157, 8:24,...... 47:33, 57:8,.... And very commonly and strongly 59:7 is used.



59:7    ما أفاء الله على رسوله من أهل القرى فلله وللرسول ولذي القربى واليتمى والمسكين وابن السبيل كي لا يكون دولة بين الأغنياء منكم وما ءاتيكم الرسول فخذوه وما نهيكم عنه فانتهوا واتقوا الله إن الله شديد العقاب
59:7    Whatever Allah bestowed upon His messenger from the people of the towns, then it shall be to Allah and His messenger, and the relatives, and the orphans, and the poor, and the wayfarer. Thus, it will not remain monopolized by the rich among you. And you may take what the messenger gives you, but do not take what he prohibits you from taking. And be aware of Allah, for Allah is mighty in retribution.

This is aayat is used very frequently to prove Hadiths, but is this 'AL+RASOOL' referring to Prophet Mohammed? The answer is "NO".

Please note that all the aayaats that Sunnis, Shias and other sects use to prove Hadiths talks about a 'maarifa rasool' that means 'AL' + 'Rasool' or 'The Rasool' and it is NOT referring to Prophet Mohammed because Prophet Mohammed was a 'nakira rasool' that means ONLY 'Rasool' [without AL or THE], here is the proof with 'the name' from AlQuraan:



3:144    وما محمد إلا رسول قد خلت من قبله الرسل أفإين مات أو قتل انقلبتم على أعقبكم ومن ينقلب على عقبيه فلن يضر الله شيءا وسيجزي الله الشكرين
3:144    And Mohammed is but a messenger, like many of the messengers have passed before him. If he dies or is killed will you turn back on your heels? And whoever turns back on his heels, he will not harm Allah in the least. And Allah will recompense the thankful.

You can see there is no 'Al + Rasool' but only 'Rasool' in Arabic text of AlQuraan with the name 'Mohammed'.


Another proof:


5:67    يأيها الرسول بلغ ما أنزل إليك من ربك وإن لم تفعل فما بلغت رسالته والله يعصمك من الناس إن الله لا يهدي القوم الكفرين
5:67    O AlRasool, deliver what was sent down to you from your Lord, and if you do not then you have not delivered His message; and Allah will protect you from the people. And Allah does not guide the rejecting people.

To Al+Rasool, Allah said He will 'protect' him from the people. But to Prophet Mohammed He said:


3:144    وما محمد إلا رسول قد خلت من قبله الرسل أفإين مات أو قتل انقلبتم على أعقبكم ومن ينقلب على عقبيه فلن يضر الله شيءا وسيجزي الله الشكرين
3:144    And Mohammed is but a messenger, like many of the messengers have passed before him. If he dies or is killed will you turn back on your heels? And whoever turns back on his heels, he will not harm Allah in the least. And Allah will recompense the thankful.

This is because Allah never said that He will protect 'nakira rasools' from people. As in 5:70

5:70    لقد أخذنا ميثق بني إسرءيل وأرسلنا إليهم رسلا كلما جاءهم رسول بما لا تهوى أنفسهم فريقا كذبوا وفريقا يقتلون
5:70    We have taken the covenant of the Children of Israel and We sent to them messengers. Every time a messenger came to them with what their souls did not desire, a group of them they would reject, and a group of them they would kill.

I don't find any aayat in regards to killing 'AlRasool'.


Remember! I am not saying that we don't have to obey 'a messenger' but I wanted to point out the aayaats wrongly used to prove hadiths are mentioned above. And to note the difference between 'Rasool' and 'AlRasool'. A messenger or 'nakira rasool' is also send to be obeyed.



4:64    وما أرسلنا من رسول إلا ليطاع بإذن الله ولو أنهم إذ ظلموا أنفسهم جاءوك فاستغفروا الله واستغفر لهم الرسول لوجدوا الله توابا رحيما
4:64    We do not send a messenger except to be obeyed with the permission of Allah. And had they come to you when they had wronged themselves and sought the forgiveness of Allah, and the messenger sought forgiveness for them, they would have then found Allah to be Pardoning, Merciful.


May Allah guide us all to His only path  :pr
Mohammed M. Khan
6:162    قل إن صلاتي ونسكي ومحياي ومماتي لله رب العلمين
6:162    Say: My contact prayer, and my rites, and my life, and my death, are all to Allah, Lord of the worlds.

3:51

javed1

Peace M.M.Khan
Very interesting points.But if this Al Rasool is not Prophet Mohammed who is it?If there is no Al Rasool around,are those Ayats not valid for us?
Javed

mmkhan

Salaam brother,

Quote from: javed1 on May 25, 2011, 11:57:37 AM
Peace M.M.Khan
Very interesting points.But if this Al Rasool is not Prophet Mohammed who is it?If there is no Al Rasool around,are those Ayats not valid for us?
Javed

AlRasool is not Prophet Mohammed (AS) that is very clear from the above aayaats. But who is AlRasool? The answer is, sorry, no idea yet. We have to wait until Allah clarifies it for us.

10:109    واتبع ما يوحى إليك واصبر حتى يحكم الله وهو خير الحكمين
10:109    And follow what is being inspired to you and be patient until Allah judges. And He is the best of judges.


May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us all to His path  :pr
Mohammed M. Khan
6:162    قل إن صلاتي ونسكي ومحياي ومماتي لله رب العلمين
6:162    Say: My contact prayer, and my rites, and my life, and my death, are all to Allah, Lord of the worlds.

3:51

Patanahi

Question for MMKhan, If this is true that Quran was revealed on Mohammed (SAW) 1,400+ years ago, then why it is not possible to conclude that Al+Rasool was referred to Mohammed (SAW)?
"It is not power that corrupts but fear. Fear of losing power corrupts those who wield it and fear of the scourge of power corrupts those who are subject to it."
? Aung San Suu Kyi

mmkhan

Quote from: Patanahi on June 21, 2011, 05:31:03 AM
Question for MMKhan, If this is true that Quran was revealed on Mohammed (SAW) 1,400+ years ago, then why it is not possible to conclude that Al+Rasool was referred to Mohammed (SAW)?

Please read the first post on this thread carefully, Allah knows who is Rasool and who is AlRasool, I am not the one who differentiate it but Allah does. Please look at the Arabic text used in those aayaats.


May Allah guide us all to His true path  :pr
Mohammed M. Khan
6:162    قل إن صلاتي ونسكي ومحياي ومماتي لله رب العلمين
6:162    Say: My contact prayer, and my rites, and my life, and my death, are all to Allah, Lord of the worlds.

3:51

rameez

mmkhan

nice post. Please explain how do you differentiate between "rasool" and "alrasool" . Are you saying that "AlRasool" is different than "Rasool" ?

Secondly, please explain the last verse quoted 4:64 , how it is used to support your argument ?

Zulf

If you name me, you negate me.

rameez

Quote from: Zulf on August 26, 2012, 04:17:02 PM
please read the whole thread
all the posts

The thread do not explain why last verse is quoted and what does that implies

mmkhan

Quote from: rameez on August 26, 2012, 02:24:22 PM
mmkhan

nice post. Please explain how do you differentiate between "rasool" and "alrasool" . Are you saying that "AlRasool" is different than "Rasool" ?

Secondly, please explain the last verse quoted 4:64 , how it is used to support your argument ?

Brother Rameez,

Thanks! Difference between Rasool and AlRasool is already clarified in original post. Now to your second question...

It says

4:64 وَ مَاۤ اَرۡسَلۡنَا مِنۡ رَّسُوۡلٍ اِلَّا لِیُطَاعَ بِاِذۡنِ اللّٰہِ ؕ وَ لَوۡ اَنَّہُمۡ اِذۡ ظَّلَمُوۡۤا اَنۡفُسَہُمۡ جَآءُوۡکَ فَاسۡتَغۡفَرُوا اللّٰہَ وَ اسۡتَغۡفَرَ لَہُمُ الرَّسُوۡلُ لَوَجَدُوا اللّٰہَ تَوَّابًا رَّحِیۡمًا
4:64 And We did not send any messenger except to be obeyed by permission of Allah. And if, when they wronged themselves, they had come to you, and asked forgiveness of Allah and the Messenger had asked forgiveness for them, they would have found Allah Accepting of repentance and Merciful.


Now please tell me what means obey and how do we do that now?

mmKhan
6:162    قل إن صلاتي ونسكي ومحياي ومماتي لله رب العلمين
6:162    Say: My contact prayer, and my rites, and my life, and my death, are all to Allah, Lord of the worlds.

3:51

rameez

Quote from: mmkhan on August 27, 2012, 04:56:06 AM
Brother Rameez,

Thanks! Difference between Rasool and AlRasool is already clarified in original post. Now to your second question...

It says

4:64 وَ مَاۤ اَرۡسَلۡنَا مِنۡ رَّسُوۡلٍ اِلَّا لِیُطَاعَ بِاِذۡنِ اللّٰہِ ؕ وَ لَوۡ اَنَّہُمۡ اِذۡ ظَّلَمُوۡۤا اَنۡفُسَہُمۡ جَآءُوۡکَ فَاسۡتَغۡفَرُوا اللّٰہَ وَ اسۡتَغۡفَرَ لَہُمُ الرَّسُوۡلُ لَوَجَدُوا اللّٰہَ تَوَّابًا رَّحِیۡمًا
4:64 And We did not send any messenger except to be obeyed by permission of Allah. And if, when they wronged themselves, they had come to you, and asked forgiveness of Allah and the Messenger had asked forgiveness for them, they would have found Allah Accepting of repentance and Merciful.


Now please tell me what means obey and how do we do that now?

mmKhan

The verse is very clear that it is talking about previous messengers who WERE obeyed by their people at THEIR OWN time.

Please explain what is your explanation of "rasool" vs "AlRasool"