In-depth reality of Eisa’s last moment through Al Quran

[jkhan]

Was Eisa, son of Maryam crucified on the cross? Let's deeply dive into it with a perfect lens. After all, isn't it the base of the religion called Christianity since the Cross is the blessed sign of their religion?

Why did Al Quran state that Eisa, son of Maryam was neither killed nor crucified? Hang on a second.. Did Al Quran state so, or the religion called Islam state so? Does Al Quran say that someone to the shape of Eisa, son of Maryam was replaced on the cross and the real person, Eisa was lifted to heaven? If that is true, didn't the Divine pull the wool over the eyes of the people on that unfortunate day and misled them all intentionally to believe that Eisa was crucified, for which they are not blameworthy? If that is the case, after all that was what they witnessed, i.e. Eisa was crucified, and they witnessed it..  Could the Divine be the conspirator here?

Let's unpack gradually..

Is the word 'Crucifixion' written anywhere in entire Al Quran? That can be deducted if we solve the verse of Eisa's controversial verse. What is it?

4:157 Sahih International: And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain.

All available translations are not far from the above Sahih Int'l translation.. If we consider, this verse is what the Divine has revealed in the Arabic Quran, then the Divine is the root cause of Division without any speck of doubt.
But, there are many complications in this verse if taken as above..

1.. Why did the Divine present two options? i.e. Not Killed... Not Crucified.. Note they said only one thing 'We killed Eisa, son of Maryam' and they DID NOT say we CRUCIFIED and that was not word by the Divine in the Quran..

2.. Would Crucifixion take place after killing the person?

3.. Is there in history any crucifixion that took place by placing a dead body on the cross? I have not heard of it through any historical documents..

4.. Or did they torture him, so he died and still crucified to show public, but historically it was not recorded so.. He was alive on the cross.. that's what we learn..

5.. Al Quran doesn't even state in this order that Eisa was neither crucified nor killed.. Even if the order of the statement of the Quran is this, it has no valid point.. Who could have survived after being crucified? Crucified itself means 'dead'..

6.. Carefully, note the last part of the verse.. 'And they did not kill him, for certain.'...  And here the Divine has taken out the word 'crucifixion'.. 

7... Here is the controversial part of the verse.. 'but [another] was made to resemble him to them.'... Directly claiming by the Divine that those who witnessed the crucifixion were innocent cus they saw what they saw.. That's bizarre..

8.. But after that, a strange phrase continues... yes, very strange and clearly this phrase has nothing to do with the verse, phrase is 'And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption.' Who is, 'has No know knowledge of it?' What assumption do they follow? They witnessed their leader, the Prophet, was crucified with their naked eyes.. How can just by words without any explanation to support, claim they have no knowledge of it..

9.. All of a sudden, from where someone to the identical shape of Eisa cropped up and fell to the prey of crucifixion, and no one could identify or recognize and state that this is not Eisa, son of Maryam and our Messenger.. Isn't that strange..? Or did the Divine made him look resemble to Eisa to deliver Eisa from crucifixion.. So, all the blame on the Divine cus of erroneous translation.. isn't it?

Well, all these conundrums are to be addressed and solved with this verse..
The truth is, translated verse is completely erroneous ... The true translation is as under..

4:157 Even their saying, 'Verily it is we, we uprooted the anointed one, Eisa, son of Maryam, a dispatcher of the Divine.' Yet they uprooted him not, nor did they evict him; however, it was suspected as for them. And, verily, the ones who differentiated through it are surely in doubt. Not for them concerning it, any realization except abiding by the presumption. Yet, they did not uproot his certainty.

Two keywords to solve this issue..

Qatal and Salabu..

What are they in the verse? You know Arabic word has many meanings..
Yes, as you can read the translation, they are in the verse to be exact 'UPROOTED' and 'EVICTED'..

What exactly is uprooted in the context of the verse? They never uprooted the teachings of Eisa, i.e. message of the Divine, nor did they EVICT the physical person, Eisa, son of Maryam.. It was a habit of Bani Israel to uproot (not kill physically) messengers/prophets whenever a new one was raised in the community.. or they ultimately evict such messengers if they do not like.. This process never happened with Eisa, son of Maryam.. Verse is clear..

Now consider the continuation of the verse.. But they assume so.. they have no knowledge, and they differ, all makes much meaningful. Yes why? The very reason is the Divine took Eisa out of this world i.e. (caused Eisa to die and lifted his body towards him)..

Eisa, son of Maryam, is missing from everyone's site.. His followers were flabbergasted, and those who were against Eisa stated what they stated, and that is documented in verse 4:157 exactly.. No one ever told a story of CRUCIFIXION here.. Neither the followers of Eisa nor those who were against Eisa at that time.. Cus Quran is clear, at the time of the revelation of Al Quran, no one believed that Eisa was crucified.. They all believed either Eisa was missing or, as those opposed believed and concocted, that Eisa, son of Maryam, was 'uprooted or evicted' for their own benefit... When someone's concept or teachings are uprooted from the community, the end will be eviction from the community, and needless to say that.. They proclaimed this widely as if they prevailed over Eisa's teaching.. And the Divine in the Quran was against it and commanded not to believe what they proclaimed..

So, when did this crucifixion story prop up? Yes, it all began with the new religion called Christianity to elevate Eisa to the level of God, who remained silent thinking Eisa was God and gradually promoting but there was no established religion of Christianity during the time Quran revelation.. So, they utilized the situation of Eisa's sudden missing to their advantage and later proclaimed once they had well established this religion of Christianity.. It means there was a third group.. First group who followed the path of Eisa were clueless about what happened to him, and the second group, who opposed Eisa overjoyed with a concocted story of Eisa 'uprooted and evicted', and the third group was the dangerous group who invented a religion, misrepresenting everything to later generations by inventing a story which never took place in the first place.. Birth of Christianity at the hands of sheer hypocrites who wanted a religion that of their choice with fantasy statements.. They are the people who destroyed Injeel, which was intact perfectly at the time of the revelation of Al Quran, for it to state follow Injeel..

They never could uproot the teachings of Eisa.. still his teachings are there for truth seekers.. That's how verse ended 'Yet, they did not uproot his certainty.'.. Well said the Divine.. And further reinstated by some other verses by the Divine, stating He will keep those who follow the path of Eisa in higher position until the day of resurrection (I paraphrased) check the true verse..
Unfortunately, in similar way Traditional Islam originated centuries after the demise of Prophet Mohmed... Almost, these two religions, i.e. Christianity and Islam are contemporary invented religions almost same time..

[good logic]

Peace jkhan.
On the death of Jesus:
Was Jesus crucified?
Historical texts (even from neutral sources as well as Christians and some Jewish writers) confirm a crucifixion.
Was it the body of Jesus on that cross?
Here is verse 4:157:
وَقَولِهِم إِنّا قَتَلنَا المَسيحَ عيسَى ابنَ مَريَمَ رَسولَ اللَّهِ وَما قَتَلوهُ وَما صَلَبوهُ وَلٰكِن شُبِّهَ لَهُم وَإِنَّ الَّذينَ اختَلَفوا فيهِ لَفى شَكٍّ مِنهُ ما لَهُم بِهِ مِن عِلمٍ إِلَّا اتِّباعَ الظَّنِّ وَما قَتَلوهُ يَقينًا
This verse seems to be saying the Jesus they say they killed,they have not really killed him. In fact for certain they did not kill him but (4:158) GOD ?Rafaahu Ilayhi??GOD raised him up to Him.
Both verses give the context along with 3:55:
إِذ قالَ اللَّهُ يٰعيسىٰ إِنّى مُتَوَفّيكَ وَرافِعُكَ إِلَىَّ وَمُطَهِّرُكَ مِنَ الَّذينَ كَفَروا وَجاعِلُ الَّذينَ اتَّبَعوكَ فَوقَ الَّذينَ كَفَروا إِلىٰ يَومِ القِيٰمَةِ ثُمَّ إِلَىَّ مَرجِعُكُم فَأَحكُمُ بَينَكُم فيما كُنتُم فيهِ تَختَلِفونَ
GOD also says Jesus died and  Jesus was raised up to Him.
The question that follows here is: Did Jesus die? How?
Or  a more likely question: Which Jesus died and which Jesus was raised up?
For me ,the following quote from Lisa Spray  connects the verses without a contradiction :

The account of Jesus death in the Quran is startling. It states: ?they never killed Jesus; they never crucified him; they were only made to think that they did.? :
They claimed that they killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of God. In fact, they never killed him; they never crucified him; they were only made to think that they did. Indeed, those who speculate about him are full of doubt about their own accounts; they are never sure. They only conjecture.

 What is absolutely certain is: they never killed him. Instead, God raised him to Him. God is Almighty, Most Wise. [Quran 4:157-158]

Undoubtedly, this Quranic narration represents a new and profound account of the death of Jesus. It is bound to shock most people, so some explanation is in order.

The Quran consistently talks about the `real person, i.e., the soul, when talking about anyone. The Quran differentiates between two human entities: a temporary entity, the body, and an eternal entity which is `the person.
 The temporary entity is considered a shell or a garment worn by the lasting entity. The Quran does not regard this temporary shell as `the person. The importance of the body, or the person s outer shell, is in serving the real person by effecting sufficient growth and development of the soul in preparation for the real, eternal life (of the Hereafter).
If we look upon one s body as a wild horse, one attains the required growth and development by taming and controlling the whims of this horse. At the end of one s predetermined interim in this life, one sheds the shell and moves on towards the eternal Hereafter; the body s role ends.

Thus, when the Quran states that they never crucified Jesus; they never killed him, the word him here refers to the real Jesus, not his body.
The body may be present somewhere, but the person may or may not be present with it. People who are familiar with `out-of-body experiences know that the body is nothing more than a garment or a physical vehicle for the soul. In out-of-body experiences, the intellect remains with the person, not with the body. Those who practice out-of-body (or astral projection) experiments often describe the body as just laying there like an inanimate object.
The Quran explains clearly that Jesus, the real person, was `raised to God? prior to any torture or crucifixion. Those who believed that they were torturing or crucifying Jesus were in fact dealing with Jesus body, an empty shell devoid of feelings and knowledge..
 In the case of Jesus, all these  verses show that God raised the real person, Jesus soul, leaving his body for the torturers and crucifiers. Thus, they never tortured Jesus. They never crucified him. He was gone long before any torture or crucifixion of his body:
They plotted and schemed, but so did God; God is the best schemer. Thus, God said: O Jesus, I am putting you to death; raising you to Me, and ridding you of the disbelievers. I will make those who follow you high above those who disbelieve until the Day of Resurrection. Then to Me is the ultimate destiny of all of you. Then I will judge among you concerning your disputes. [Quran 3:54-55]

It is astonishing to find this phenomenon, the separation of the real person from the still living body, indicated in the New Testament, and even more specifically stated in some apocryphal literature. There is an especially straightforward reference to this phenomenon reported by James Brashler in THE NAG HAMMADI LIBRARY (Harper & Row, 1977).
The Nag Hammadi Library is a collection of ancient documents unearthed at Nag Hammadi, Egypt. They are described as containing the sacred scriptures of the Gnostic movement that emerged and rapidly grew in the cradle of civilization at the time of Jesus and early Christianity. Its codices are a priceless periscope into the tumultuous world of ideas brewing during one of civilization?s great turning points.?
James Brashler describes a vision seen by the apostle Peter, in his introduction to the Gnostic Apocalypse of Peter (Ibid., p. 339):
The first visionary scene, is depicting the hostile priests and people about to kill Jesus (72,4-9).The second scene (81,3-14) describes Peter s vision of the crucifixion of Jesus. The accompanying interpretation by Jesus makes a distinction between the external physical form and the living Jesus; the latter stands nearby laughing at his ignorant persecutors.
A clear distinction is thus made in this ancient literature, very close to the time of Jesus, between the external physical form, i.e., the body of Jesus, and the living Jesus.
 According to this narration, the real person of Jesus was unphased by the torturers and persecutors of his soulless body.
Looking at the translation of the Apocalypse of Peter itself (Ibid., p. 344), we find the startling vision of Peter:
When he had said those things, I saw him seemingly being seized by them. And I said, What do I see, O Lord, that it is you yourself whom they take, and that you are grasping me? Or who is this one, glad and laughing, on the tree? And is it another one whose feet and hands they are striking?
 The Savior said to me: He whom you saw on the tree, glad and laughing, this is the living Jesus. But this one into whose hands and feet they drive the nails is the fleshy part. [Apocalypse of Peter, VII, 3, 81]

A careful examination of the Gospels of Mark and Luke reveals that Jesus was in fact gone prior to crucifixion. He did not respond to the surrounding chaos. This confirms the apocryphal account reported in the Nag Hammadi Library, and agrees with the mathematically authenticated account of the Quran:

The chief priests, meanwhile, brought many accusations against Jesus. Pilate interrogated him again: Surely you have some answer? See how many accusations they are leveling against you.? But greatly to Pilate s surprise, Jesus made no further response. [Mark 15:3-5]

Herod was extremely pleased to see Jesus. From the reports about him he had wanted to see him, and he was hoping to see him work some miracle. He questioned Jesus at considerable length, but Jesus made no answer. The chief priests and scribes were at hand to accuse him vehemently. Herod and his guards then treated him with contempt and insult. [Luke 23:8-11]
Putting all these accounts together, this possible picture emerges:
1. The human being consists of two main distinct entities:
a. the body, which serves as a mere shell or garment, and
b. the soul, which is the real person.
2. In accordance with a predetermined plan, the time came for Jesus to complete his mission as God s messenger to the Children of Israel and as the Messiah. This coincided with the scheme of Jesus adversaries to crucify him. Just before executing their plot, God s plan was implemented, and Jesus the real person was summoned /raised to God.
3. Jesus body was left for his persecutors to torture and crucify; they were dealing with an empty shell devoid of all feelings or understanding.
4. Thus, the Quran s  statements that they never killed Jesus, they never crucified him; they were led to believe that they did, are accurate  facts.[/b]

Anyway, have you read it to the end? I am very familiar with people who skip and choose what to read,they have the "My mind is made up " symptoms! Please also ponder and verify(17:36).
If only things were always straight forward?
May the Lord give us more knowledge to seek His truths.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

[Mazhar]

This statement; quoted verbatim in Grand Qur'ān by the Ever Listener Allah the Exalted, is not of people roaming in streets but is a proclamation issued by the ruling class/clergy of that time. Watch the words, their own confusion and uncertainty is evidently reflected by the words they chose. For giving news about current occurrence, no one uses the words of certainty "indeed, undoubtedly" for breaking the news. Such words and issuance of proclamation is needed and intended to clarify and convince only when general public is doubtful about some happening. They had not accepted Easa alai'his'slaam as Al-Maseihea and the Messenger of Allah but they used the title, name and status by which he was generally recognized in the society to remove the doubts and convince people that he has been executed.

Rescue Plan of Allah the Exalted to thwart execution conspiracy against Easa alhaissalam

https://haqeeqat.pk/Rescue%20plan.htm

[jkhan]

Thank you, gentlemen who replied. Let people reflect in the way I explained and pointed out the verse 4:157, as well let people reflect in the way you both pointed out and let them use their faculties with the guidance of the Divine as what to conclude as to be certain what happen to Eisa, son of Maryam.. Isn't that fair? Let people reflect on verses of the Divine, so simple.. Let them find out what makes sense..

And this is what happened to Eisa..

3:55 As the Divine stated 'O Eisa! verily I am terminating you while raising you, up to me and distinctifying you, from the ones who rejected; while placing the ones who pursued you, superior to the ones who rejected, up to a basis of the state of undertakings. Later to me is their return; so that I judge between you through what you were in it contradicting.'

... Let me move on..

I would like to continue under the same topic about Eisa in depth..

In that line, I would like to question people whether Eisa performed MIRACLEs or Does Quran point out any such miracles?

Would Laws of Physics ever be breached by the Divine? I don't think so.. Some laws of physics we may not have experienced in life, but it doesn't mean, such things are outside of it... Same with math.. 1+1 = 2.. No one can argue.. The Divine never breaches laws of physics cus it is His system..
If that is the scenario, then what did Eisa perform? Miracles or within the laws of physics? Here is what Eisa performed with the support of the Divine...

5:110 As the Divine stated, 'O Eisa, son of Maryam! Consider my blessings upon you, even upon your mother, as I have influenced you with the sanctified force of life, instructing the people during the novice, yet fully-fledged. Yet, when I revealed to you the ordainment and the judgment, and the Enlightenment (al Torah), and the Unfolding (al Injeel), thus as you share through the disposition, in line with practicalities of the disciple, by My leave, and as you invigorate him, so he takes flight by My leave, and as you disown the indoctrinations and the blemishes by My leave, and as you drive out the insanity by My leave. And when I curbed constituents of transitioning ones from you, as you affected them with the manifestations, then stated the ones who rejected among them, that this is except manifest sorcery.

None of these breaches 'laws of physics'...
Well, one would then raise concerns about Ibrahim, Mosa, Yousuf, or Solomon, etc., what about their actions? Did they not perform miracles? No, no one performed Miracles by breaching 'laws of physics'.. It's all within the system.. Since laws of physics cannot be breached, the Divine denied Mosa to show Him on the Earth.. That's the best example to produce that the Divine doesn't breach laws of physics.. I won't go into details about other prophets here, since the topic is about Eisa. You may refer to my translations if you have any information on whether Ibrahim or Mosa performed miracles or not. Allah Himself doesn't perform miracles outside the laws of physics; He Himself created them, so how can people do so? Well, Mohamed split the moon into two.. That's the best miracle of all time, yet the best all-time joke.. Unfortunately, they believe and defend that's human mentality for you.. They all want a leader who is of exceptional quality.

[jkhan]

@ goodlogic..

I received PM stating against your comment..
He states, it was stern mandatory to carry the cross by the same person who is to be crucified to publicly humiliate the person...

So, they never crucify the dead bodies on the cross.. And it is a well-documented truth of the history of crucifixion especially in these regions..

So, in that case your point that Jesus's dead body was placed on the cross may not sound plausible by any means.. That's why I said earlier, dead bodies are not entertained on the cross..  But I never knew that the same person who is destined to be crucified has to carry the cross in a parade.. Though I have seen the Movie Passion, I never knew this was the truth behind any crucifixion..

So, bro, what do you have to say about this..

Your stance is 'Jesus died naturally, and they found his corpse and crucified' is that so? Did I get you right?

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https://youtu.be/pfheSAcCsrE?si=OGAaJnSnKn1X1eZ2

This is not an era for fancy stories, and this is the modern era, and even the well-established religions can collapse overnight, even the well established theories can collapse when you get up in the morning.. I mean falsehood cannot survive when the Divine is bringing out what is truth.. He will show His truth before the end of ending and the world would not end in darkness..

In the linked video, you might know this man very well. I doubt he holds a religion, and even I doubt he believes in the Quran at all, mainly cus for such people, such translations of lies won't help at all.. In the video, he simply bashes out the New Testament out of the window..

[jkhan]

Was Eisa, son of Maryam crucified on the cross? Let's deeply dive into it with a perfect lens. After all, isn't it the base of the religion called Christianity since the Cross is the blessed sign of their religion?

Why did Al Quran state that Eisa, son of Maryam was neither killed nor crucified? Hang on a second.. Did Al Quran state so, or the religion called Islam state so? Does Al Quran say that someone to the shape of Eisa, son of Maryam was replaced on the cross and the real person, Eisa was lifted to heaven? If that is true, didn't the Divine pull the wool over the eyes of the people on that unfortunate day and misled them all intentionally to believe that Eisa was crucified, for which they are not blameworthy? If that is the case, after all that was what they witnessed, i.e. Eisa was crucified, and they witnessed it..  Could the Divine be the conspirator here?

Let's unpack gradually..

Is the word 'Crucifixion' written anywhere in entire Al Quran? That can be deducted if we solve the verse of Eisa's controversial verse. What is it?

4:157 Sahih International: And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain.

All available translations are not far from the above Sahih Int'l translation.. If we consider, this verse is what the Divine has revealed in the Arabic Quran, then the Divine is the root cause of Division without any speck of doubt.
But, there are many complications in this verse if taken as above..

1.. Why did the Divine present two options? i.e. Not Killed... Not Crucified.. Note they said only one thing 'We killed Eisa, son of Maryam' and they DID NOT say we CRUCIFIED and that was not word by the Divine in the Quran..

2.. Would Crucifixion take place after killing the person?

3.. Is there in history any crucifixion that took place by placing a dead body on the cross? I have not heard of it through any historical documents..

4.. Or did they torture him, so he died and still crucified to show public, but historically it was not recorded so.. He was alive on the cross.. that's what we learn..

5.. Al Quran doesn't even state in this order that Eisa was neither crucified nor killed.. Even if the order of the statement of the Quran is this, it has no valid point.. Who could have survived after being crucified? Crucified itself means 'dead'..

6.. Carefully, note the last part of the verse.. 'And they did not kill him, for certain.'...  And here the Divine has taken out the word 'crucifixion'.. 

7... Here is the controversial part of the verse.. 'but [another] was made to resemble him to them.'... Directly claiming by the Divine that those who witnessed the crucifixion were innocent cus they saw what they saw.. That's bizarre..

8.. But after that, a strange phrase continues... yes, very strange and clearly this phrase has nothing to do with the verse, phrase is 'And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption.' Who is, 'has No know knowledge of it?' What assumption do they follow? They witnessed their leader, the Prophet, was crucified with their naked eyes.. How can just by words without any explanation to support, claim they have no knowledge of it..

9.. All of a sudden, from where someone to the identical shape of Eisa cropped up and fell to the prey of crucifixion, and no one could identify or recognize and state that this is not Eisa, son of Maryam and our Messenger.. Isn't that strange..? Or did the Divine made him look resemble to Eisa to deliver Eisa from crucifixion.. So, all the blame on the Divine cus of erroneous translation.. isn't it?

Well, all these conundrums are to be addressed and solved with this verse..
The truth is, translated verse is completely erroneous ... The true translation is as under..

4:157 Even their saying, 'Verily it is we, we uprooted the anointed one, Eisa, son of Maryam, a dispatcher of the Divine.' Yet they uprooted him not, nor did they evict him; however, it was suspected as for them. And, verily, the ones who differentiated through it are surely in doubt. Not for them concerning it, any realization except abiding by the presumption. Yet, they did not uproot his certainty.

Two keywords to solve this issue..

Qatal and Salabu..

What are they in the verse? You know Arabic word has many meanings..
Yes, as you can read the translation, they are in the verse to be exact 'UPROOTED' and 'EVICTED'..

What exactly is uprooted in the context of the verse? They never uprooted the teachings of Eisa, i.e. message of the Divine, nor did they EVICT the physical person, Eisa, son of Maryam.. It was a habit of Bani Israel to uproot (not kill physically) messengers/prophets whenever a new one was raised in the community.. or they ultimately evict such messengers if they do not like.. This process never happened with Eisa, son of Maryam.. Verse is clear..

Now consider the continuation of the verse.. But they assume so.. they have no knowledge, and they differ, all makes much meaningful. Yes why? The very reason is the Divine took Eisa out of this world i.e. (caused Eisa to die and lifted his body towards him)..

Eisa, son of Maryam, is missing from everyone's site.. His followers were flabbergasted, and those who were against Eisa stated what they stated, and that is documented in verse 4:157 exactly.. No one ever told a story of CRUCIFIXION here.. Neither the followers of Eisa nor those who were against Eisa at that time.. Cus Quran is clear, at the time of the revelation of Al Quran, no one believed that Eisa was crucified.. They all believed either Eisa was missing or, as those opposed believed and concocted, that Eisa, son of Maryam, was 'uprooted or evicted' for their own benefit... When someone's concept or teachings are uprooted from the community, the end will be eviction from the community, and needless to say that.. They proclaimed this widely as if they prevailed over Eisa's teaching.. And the Divine in the Quran was against it and commanded not to believe what they proclaimed..

So, when did this crucifixion story prop up? Yes, it all began with the new religion called Christianity to elevate Eisa to the level of God, who remained silent thinking Eisa was God and gradually promoting but there was no established religion of Christianity during the time Quran revelation.. So, they utilized the situation of Eisa's sudden missing to their advantage and later proclaimed once they had well established this religion of Christianity.. It means there was a third group.. First group who followed the path of Eisa were clueless about what happened to him, and the second group, who opposed Eisa overjoyed with a concocted story of Eisa 'uprooted and evicted', and the third group was the dangerous group who invented a religion, misrepresenting everything to later generations by inventing a story which never took place in the first place.. Birth of Christianity at the hands of sheer hypocrites who wanted a religion that of their choice with fantasy statements.. They are the people who destroyed Injeel, which was intact perfectly at the time of the revelation of Al Quran, for it to state follow Injeel..

They never could uproot the teachings of Eisa.. still his teachings are there for truth seekers.. That's how verse ended 'Yet, they did not uproot his certainty.'.. Well said the Divine.. And further reinstated by some other verses by the Divine, stating He will keep those who follow the path of Eisa in higher position until the day of resurrection (I paraphrased) check the true verse..
Unfortunately, in similar way Traditional Islam originated centuries after the demise of Prophet Mohmed... Almost, these two religions, i.e. Christianity and Islam are contemporary invented religions almost same time..

4:157 can be easily understood if anyone happened to read my translation of verse 5:33... The Divine is not so cruel to apply 'CRUCIFIXION' as law.. Never.. Don't ever even think of it..

This is how almost all translations are shaped up and mocking the Divine directly..

5:33 Sahih International: Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment,

But the real meaning and real translation of the verse is..

5:33 Only compensation of the ones who were contending with the Divine along with His dispatcher while exerting corruption through the thriving, that they be severed or be evicted or dismantle their influences and their appeals through disintegration or deny through the thriving. Such is for them a disgrace through the temporal, yet for them, through the state of progressiveness, a great humiliation. 

So, I have taken Salabu as EVICT, while Qatal as UPROOT/SEVER yet which is taken by everyone as CRUCIFIXION and KILL respectively in their translation..

Reflect, and I can't make you people believe.. use faculties and seek the Lord..

[good logic]

Peace jkhan.
The body of Jesus was still functioning until after the crucifixion but the soul departed weeks earlier.
As far as those delivering the punishment Jesus was still alive.

We have an example, in our time, of this phenomenon of the soul departing and the body functioning for a time after here:

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1986-08-07-mn-1997-story.html

Yes William john Schroeder- 19 letters - departing just after his heart transplant but his body lived few months after:
Quote from the text-:
The length of Schroeder's survival and his ability to live outside the Kentucky hospital were signs of progress in the experimental implant program. But three earlier strokes, all apparently related to the man-made pump, left his speech and mobility severely impaired and raised questions about the risks of the device and the quality of life recipients might expect.

"He volunteered for the artificial heart because he loved life and the people around him, and he wanted to help others," said DeVries.
And:
When President Reagan called to wish him well, Schroeder bent the chief executive's ear about the runaround he was getting from the folks at Social Security.

Those first two weeks with the heart were good times for the retired federal employee. Schroeder himself said he felt "fantastic."

But on the evening of the 19th day, Dec. 13, only a few hours after receiving a hand-delivered Social Security check spurred by his complaint to Reagan, he suffered the stroke.

He was unconscious for about an hour and he awoke paralyzed on his right side and unable to speak. DeVries said later he feared he might have lost his patient.

From this moment onwards until his departure from this life completely, William J Schroeder was only functioning as a body devoid of intellect ,understanding or memory-soul- :
.Speech Was Slurred

Although Schroeder awoke, he had difficulty recognizing his family and remembering what day it was, and his speech was slurred. Neurological tests indicated that Schroeder had actually suffered small strokes, severely damaging three areas of his brain.

DeVries said he thought the strokes resulted from a blood clot that formed in or near the heart and broke into pieces en route to the brain. Dr. Robert K. Jarvik, inventor of the artificial heart, agreed.

But both men said they would probably never be sure whether the Jarvik-7 heart was to blame for the strokes. Future implants might shed some light on the link between the heart and strokes, they said.

While the strokes set back Schroeder's progress, and apparently caused a temporary sag in his spirits, his doctors remained optimistic that he would be able to leave the hospital, something the first mechanical pump recipient, Barney Clark, never did.

Thanks brother.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

[jkhan]

It seems like It is an article of RK which you copy and paste here.. whatever.. it is for the readers to reflect..
So, when a man dies, he actually dies after 19 days.. Is that what you state.. I wish everyone would bury their loved ones' dead bodies after 19 days, in that case, cus you should give some respect to dead bodies.. Of course, those who burn or rather cremate should pay more attention to what GL states, cus it may be painful to those who are cremated, since they are still alive in some nature.. lol.. I am not against you, let people reflect and decide whatever they want..
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I researched a lot, and I can't find a single verse in Al Quran that talks about CRUCIFIXION, but totally mistranslated the root, since there is something called CRUCIFIXION was invented by third-century Christians who embraced  Christianity, and that propelled translators to assume that this is what the Quran word SALAB is all about, mainly cus Jesus is involved in Quran verse 4:157 and the Bible history is crucifixion so, these translators blindly took it as Crucifixion to go in line with it not only 4:157 but all other root of Salab.. But they are not crucifixion..
In my all-inclusive research, prehistoric China and India are totally silent about CRUCIFIXION in their ancient Kingdom, as well as entire Africa, including Egypt, even Europe, except Romans and Greeks after the new religion of Christianity..
Torah is completely void of the CRUCIFIXION of any human being.. ... If Torah is silent of Crucifixion, Al Quran cannot have, be it Pharo or Yousuf stories or Mohmed time..
No historical evidence of any man being crucified as capital punishment other than Jesus's story.. No archaeological evidence of crucifixion except one fragile invented story..
Did crucifixion ever exist in human history? No evidence at all.. The crucifixion story begins with Christianity as if this sort of punishment existed in this region prior to Jesus's crucifixion.. No ancient cave or wall depicting of crucified bodies has been discovered before the time of Christ.. Romans and Greeks only spread the story that Persians had a capital punishment system called Crucifixion before BC 500, but in Persia, it is not at all recorded .. No documented proofs save statements from Romans.. Are we to believe?
Not even ancient folklore speaks of it..
Isn't the CRUCIFIXION a massive conspiracy to promote the religion called Christianity by touching the emotions of people to last in their minds forever about their elevated son of God..?

I challenge you all to bring clear evidence that the CRUCIFIXION existed in history.. You know what evidence mean, right?

[good logic]

Peace jkhan.

All people with beliefs have issues with some of their beliefs, including yourself.

What is the use of challenging anyone to bring evidence if some still do not believe in the creator for example?
Because evidence for made up minds is useless and irrelevant.

Yes and we can all have some issue with "my mind is made up" with certain things without realising it!

If you are convinced with things that you think you have evidence for, it is for yourself first and foremost.Same with each individual.

Also, evidence in reality means certainty. How come some "evidence" fail to convince all?

The human being is always argumentative and argues even against real evidence and that is the truth .
The human also assumes they have evidence when their knowledge is limited. There are certain things that we have not obtained knowledge about and things that are out of our realm and reality that we can never know about for sure. So we speculate often.

Brother, state your understanding and leave it at that, like we should all do.
People who are sincerely seeking the truth will investigate and check what you say.

So long as we have different faculties/reasoning/intellect we will always have different understanding. We can never synchronise our beliefs about the "Ghaib" /unseen or the future prophecies.

Many times we think our questioning is sound when our knowledge itself is lacking and that is another human problem.
You do not believe what I say sometimes and I do not believe what you say sometimes and that is fair enough for me.
GOD bless you.
Peace. 

[good logic]

Brother jkhan.

Let me also give you some thing to ponder and be aware of.

This is not an article of RK:
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1986-08-07-mn-1997-story.html

Read again, I pasted from it not from RK.
RK confirmed and made the comparison to Jesus death.

Also the article about Jesus death was by Lisa Spray, an ex christian who worked with RK
You go around finding other researchers that you agree with , you are choosing what you think is the truth.

What is wrong with me agreeing and quoting what RK and team/believers with him researched?
Unlike you, I believe GOD inspires and sends messengers like it is stated in Qoran. GOD also inspires believers/pretenders/human devils... that are inspired from other gods with RK to play both roles to help or hinder RK s roles according to GOD s knowledge of people.

So , it is up to us to check truths from falsehood coming from any individual and groups.

Does that mean RK and co were right in everything? No of course not.
But Qoran confirms many truths from His group.
GOD bless you.
Peace.