Whats your opinion of Sufism?

[Ervin]

Peace,

In a way I see the more liberal branch of Sufism to be concerned mainly with love. Once I asked a Sufi about hell, and he said that that's where you ego goes to burn out. I asked him what about needing four witnesses to adultery, he said that  there is a hadith on minding your own business.

I am still to find out about other Sufi understanding of Quran and the hadith.

What's your opinion and Bor knowledge about Sufism that you might want CTO share on this forum?

Thankz

[Man of Faith]

Among those who label themselves by Muslim, they are the more sound ones. They seem to be among the remnants of the mysterious Gnostic groups in the Middle-East.

[The Celt]

I think Sufism is fascinating. They believe in hadith and sunnah but they also put a lot of emphasis on the Quran, belieivng it to have both an outward message and an inward message. They're not very well liked by the Wahhabis though- they consider some of their beliefs heretical as they have basis in neither Quran nor hadith. My opinion is if it doesn't contradict the Quran, there's nothing wrong with a Quranist incorporating Sufi practices into their worship.

That and they're very moderate people who are facing a lot of intolerance from ISIS and other jihadi groups for the reasons stated above.

[imrankhawaja]

shall i tell you something interesting there is also a branch in sufism called silsilaof peer and its related to hidden knowledge thats what they claim, according to them they can treat a person who is possessed by evil jinn and its something like spirtual..

[truthseeker11]

Peace everyone,

Sufis are not limited to only Islam, you can find Sufis in almost any religion or belief system. There are Christian Sufis, Jewish Sufis, Hindu Sufis, Buddhist Sufis, Pagan Sufis, Shaman Sufis etc. etc. They all try to follow the Law of One (the message of Oneness of the Infinite Creator and love/light), which was the original uncorrupted divine message revealed/channeled to humans from the most ancient times. The corrupted versions of that original message of the Law of One became all the existing world religions based on truth mixed with falsehood.

Sufism is basically = spirituality + the law of one. The basic teaching of Sufism is to master and control your ego and realize that you and the infinite Creator are not separate, but the apparent separation is just a temporary illusion, and in reality you are a tiny portion, or fragment, or extension of the One. Once you master and control the ego, you are given the ability by the infinite Creator to use the infinite intelligent energy to help others (service to others without expecting anything in return), which appears as if you are performing "miracles".

Man of Faith and IAMOP are some of the members of this forum who are also Sufis in my opinion!

Following book "Children of The Law of One", is by a white American who got discouraged by his beliefs and started studying alternate belief systems and eventually became a Tibetan Sufi after being miraculously led to it. It is a fascinating reading for anyone who is open minded:

http://www.vielewelten.at/pdf_en/jon%20peniel.pdf

Jon Peniel, who authored the above book, died several years ago. He was one of the most amazing Sufis to have recently lived. Edgar Cayce predicted about Jon Peniel in advance, and Jon Peniel was so humble that he said he was not the same Jon Peniel!

Following are Parts 1-7 of his interview before he died:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTbYdxMOvDk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpMLgulS4i8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeNKsCQhHS4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcI4vGHqrlQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61SG0rKbpMo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mu6w4otiuKs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bs3mb7dFPJA

MUST READ BOOK AND MUST HEAR INTERVIEW for anyone interested in knowing where Sufism originated from, what it is based on, and how all world religions originated.

Peace

[GODsubmitter]

Thank you

[Man of Faith]

Sufism is basically = spirituality + the law of one. The basic teaching of Sufism is to master and control your ego and realize that you and the infinite Creator are not separate, but the apparent separation is just a temporary illusion, and in reality you are a tiny portion, or fragment, or extension of the One. Once you master and control the ego, you are given the ability by the infinite Creator to use the infinite intelligent energy to help others (service to others without expecting anything in return), which appears as if you are performing "miracles".

Man of Faith and IAMOP are some of the members of this forum who are also Sufis in my opinion!

Good way of expressing a summary.

The "portion or fragment" can have a different size depending on mental growth. Do not forget to mention that the body (the bodily) is an imposed corrupting and consuming trial for us, i.e. it is like a nemesis that wishes to ruin everything for us and this contains what we refer to as Shaytaan (that many people have made into a specific person). The solution is to cut off from Satan. There are many ways of doing it and why there are many religious traditions all over the Earth, but the problem of Satan emerges everywhere and ruins what people believe by causing them to evade sanity and go against logic, exaggerating their religious doctrine by delusively changing the "do not's" by making exceptions in the own decree.

Ancient Gnostics used to call the world evil and while the word evil is subjective, it can be a good way of describing the Earth. Evil is a very primitive and child-like description, but with lightness to the words of speaking it can be experienced like that. Rabb made the world this way and it is the design in the test for the world to be like that. Sects of Gnosticism fabricated a second world creator deity, i.e. making it a dualism and this is how their faith derailed. This was because they in their ignorance could not fathom the Rabb to be that evil to create a corrupting and consuming world. It is an environment created to be harshly opposed towards its inhabitants strongly trying (and in many/most cases succeeding) to break the subjects down, and one always have to see it as a great trial.

Be well
Amenuel

[Ervin]

Salaam Aleikum,

I have been attending the Ansari Sufi order lately. They are wonderful people. I have had the opportunity to meet their Shaykh. They don't hate anyone. Their preaching is around Allah, His love for us, and our love for Him, and love for everyone. They are very open minded and they don't think that only their path is the true path.

I am thinking about initiating my self InshAllah.

What's your opinion brothers and sisters?

[Timotheus]

Among those who label themselves by Muslim, they are the more sound ones. They seem to be among the remnants of the mysterious Gnostic groups in the Middle-East.

i can agree with theese statements..

their philosophy is much better than many other sects, however sufism is still just a sect, some points i like are that they are more focused on the esoteric understanding of the quran, which i can appreciate, some points i dislike is that many still follow hadith and believe in a system of spiritual masters / desciples (i.e following the teachings of human beings)..

one thing i often keep in mind is from the torah 'do not turn aside from the law of God, to the right or to the left'

regardless of which sect is better, etc.. they still turn aside from Gods law, and follow man made fabrications..

I have had some interesting discussions with a 'mystic' who is fond of sufism, and well studied in it.. and claims to follow the path of the mystics, such as the sufis.. he has some interesting understanding, but is still misguided..

Gods guidance is the only guidance, and do not be among those who divide into sects... enough said. God says it best, not hadiths, or spiritual masters, etc..

perfect demonstration in the need for four witnesses and a hadith saying mind your own business, its things like this that lead astray, because God tells us to stand as witnessess for truth and justice, and not turn aside.. so will we listen?

should we say mind our own business, judge not, be at peace.. etc?

well what we should be doing is judging by what God has revealed, and not turning aside, we should be striving against all corruption. even corruption under the guise of peace, however in the bounds of the quran. sufis are not violent people, and they do not persecute others, so they are free to practise thier religion, i would (and do) advise however, to anyone to follow the Quran, not fabricated hadith.

peace be with you all

[Ervin]

Peace,

Thanks Timotheus. The thing is there is no Quran based Islam groups/ gatherings. And in the Quran it says to obey those in authority. I have posed the question about who are those in authority. I think it's in the Quran discussion sub forum.

When I look to people Like Layth, Wakas and quite a few others for whom, you can say, could be in authority, due to their knowledge and efforts, the problem that  would arise is that they might have different opinions.

If you want to donate to the Monotheistic group/ Free minds, you can't. Etc,etc...

Thanks