philosophy...

[ayani]

Wakas-

in the case of spiritual seeking and striving, i feel the answer is certainly "yes". it seems like every few months an american magazine will have a front-page article on how God (or worship) is ingrained into our DNA. i would retreat back to more classical language and say it is woven into the fabric of our hearts, and that this itself is a clear sign to consider.

the "thirsty" analogy also brings to mind those Sufi poets who insisted that we thirst while unknowingly in front of a fresh-water ocean. 

[Yusha]

Yes if one thirsts it implies the existence of something which can quench it. Common sense.

[Lost Philosopher]

Does God drink wine?

[Zidane]

Very interesting topic.

However, I don't fully understand it yet. Please explain it more.

No offence, I just want to learn. I wonder:

-If one (many) longs for coming of the "mehdi", does he or his coming exist?

-Children long for santa-clause coming at night, does he exist? (Or their parents came instead?)

-Many people who believe in shamans or those type of doctors long for the help of one or more "sacred spirits", do they exit?

-Many long for the "king of kings, ...lion of judah" as in Rastafari, the long for God's coming as a living man, so does God's incarnate really exist or existed?


Please help clarify.



May God Guide.

[OPF]

Very intereting topic.

However, I don't fully understand it yet. Please explain it more.

No offence, I just want to learn. I wonder:

-If one (many) longs for coming of the "mehdi", does he or his coming exist?

-Children long for santa-clause coming at night, does he exist? (Or their parents came instead?)

-Many people who believe in shamans or those type of doctors long for the help of one or more "sacred spirits", do they exit?

-Many long for the "king of kings, ...lion of judah" as in Rastafari, the long for God's coming as a living man, so does God's incarnate really exist or existed?


Please help clarify.



May God Guide.

Those are all psychological/conceptual.

Thirst is tangible.

[Zidane]

Those are all psychological/conceptual.

Thirst is tangible.

Thanks, OPF.

Now I understand more about it, it should be a tangible longing.

Anyway, how can I prove that thirst/long for (the one) God is tangible?


May God Guide.

[L.Hu]

On the issue of language I think the Bakhtin circle was right.

[L.Hu]

Perhaps language is the only reality.

[L.Hu]

Logic, mathematics, reason, and philosophy are all products of language. "Man acts as though he were the shaper and master of language, while in fact language remains the master of man. --Martin Heidegger". The world is merely what we think it is.

[Jafar]

Yes, actually, it does.


For one to thirst, one actually needs to need water, and be based on water, and well, all life is based on water.

Rephrased, yes, if a living being thirsts, then that implies the existance of water - not so much the thirst, but the living.

Let:
Thirst := desires for water
(for clarity sake)

Then

If a living being posses a desire for water, then that implies the existence of water within the living being's mindset.

Transposed to another context gives us:

If a living being posses a desire for 'meeting with an alien / being from outer space'.
then that implies the existence of an alien/being from outer space within the living being's mindset.
It doesn't necessary imply that this alien/being from outer space does in reality exist.

Salam / Peace