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#1
General Issues / Questions / What is ISLAM?
April 17, 2024, 02:36:30 AM
 Peace..

What is ISLAM in Quran?  Well.. In my comprehensive understanding of Quran,  ISLAM means a SYSTEM / MECHANISM as DEEN / DIRECTION to adhere those who call themselves believers in their Creator... Yes. You may differ but it won't make any difference  unless it is truth in others researches.. Truth spoken by anyone is truth and falsehood spoken by anyone remains falsehood.. Individuals are to comprehend it.. Accountable..

Having said that,  what I want to present here is about ISLAM not about the meaning of SURRENDERING or SUBMISSION but aforesaid meaning I clarified, ie  SYSTEM...

Significant point I want to raise here is WHY HISTORICALLY it is accepted that ISLAM BEGAN with Quran or rather with advent of Mohamed?  Is that really true? Or is it fabricated in  the name of Quran and Mohamed by some who came well after Mohamed and Quran since they didn't find a ritualistic religion to their own taste... ISLAM (monotheistic SYSTEM) as a DEEN /DIRECTION was ordained from the time of prophet Ibrahim and all the messengers and prophets came after were given the same ISLAM /SYSTEM and that is well documented proof within Quran...
If so,  let's find some logical answers to below potential concerns..

1... Why Arabs alone claim ISLAM as their Religion.. Yes.. After invasions, non-Arabs accepted that so called ISLAM.. But Arabs are the originator of the religion called 'Islam'...

2... Did Muhamed claim that Islam was his religion and different to all prophets and messengers came before to form a separate religion ?

3... Why so called ISLAM spread through Arabs only if most of the people of the book (Torah and Injeel) were indeed MUSLIMS following ISLAM /SYSTEM?

4... Why genuine Hadu and Nasara of the past never claimed that their RELIGION is ISLAM but they always believed in revelation revealed to them in Torah and Injeel and even Quran and they remained Muslims/Submitters to Allah alone thus they followed the SYSYEM /ISLAM but never claimed their RELIGION itself is ISLAM.. Did they?

5.... How come among the people of the book who were truly believers and dominant to that region never spread a RELIGION called ISLAM while they literally did follow the Islam Deen ?... Doesn't that mean there was NO religion from Allah but only a revelation to follow which is systematic and common to all... 

6.... Was there any religion called as ISLAM until these Arabs called themselves?  If No.. Then,  isn't Islam a religion invented basically through the ARABS of that region and has no connection whatsoever to the absolute truth of Quran which Mohamed and his followers complied to..

7.... Rigid and conspicuous point is no one is a Submitter/Muslim unless they accept a RELIGION called ISLAM while according to Quran Islam/System is a Deen / Direction to follow for the success and that SYSTEM prevails above all Directions / Deen exists ..
8... Simple question... What is the religion of people of scripture or even Bani Israel who were truthful believers? 

9.... Without any element of surprise, Islam was invented and made a religion fundentally based on human touch and giving little icing with Quran to keep it alive. Whoever invented this religion had an agenda.  Quran is full of guidance and knowledge and wisdom in which Islam / system also detailed for believers to abide by.. Entire Quran is not Islam but only Systematic Law mentuoned in Quran is Islam..
The Islam that we see for centuries has its own function and entirely contrary to what is written in Quran...  Word Islam proves it.. Take a look at below verse..
3:85 "
And whoever seeks other than the System / Islam a Direction / Deen- never will it be accepted from him, and he, in the Hereafter, will be among the losers."

A profound and strong verse to reflect...

Above verse, everyone translated "Islam as religion " and word Islam thus became the name of the religion automatically ..

But contrary to that, Allah has constituted the System and completed and presented for believers to take direction from it to practice in life and most significantly NO OTHER Direction / Deen will be accepted other related in the System... Now.. Point to ponder is, ISLAM itself another religion with plethora of fabrications and the Islam has its own identity and following anything other than that is invalidated by this religion...  For example this Islam has five pilars starting from Shahada...  But, carefully note what the verse 3:85 states... "whoever seeks other than Islam Deen WILL NOT be accepted... "

So folks, where is Islam Deen written if not in Quran itself?  Would you want to follow other than Islam Deen which Allah guaranteed will NOT be accepted and unfortunately informed will be LOSERS ?

So,  finally,  ask yourself... 'DO YOU FOLLOW ISLAM DEEN or other ?

After all,  which ISLAM has spread all over the world from some point of time in the past?  Is it Islam that Allah refers in 3:85 or something other than that which Allah refers in same verse? 

Islam is just systematic law to apply in one's life wherever it is necessary but beyond Islam there are many things in Quran to learn since it is full of guidance and wisdom.. So Islam itself cannot be a religion and everything .. Everything in Quran is not Islam.. Try to grasp it... Islam is just one part of believers life cuz it has set of directions to follow..
 
#2
General Issues / Questions / Age of Nuh in Quran
March 13, 2024, 10:50:17 PM
https://youtu.be/TPLpEJl9IO8?si=CuIrgNEi5HFSKwXd

Do you agree?

He says sanata means 1000 UNPRODUCTIVE PEOPLE  and 50 Aama means 50 productive people.. So Nuh remained with 950 unproductive and 50 proecuctive people..

What logic is that..?
How can there be 50 prouductive people from 1000 unproductive people...?

😂

Can there be 50 good oranges from 1000 corrupted oranges?

Any objections pls.

Note... Why some believers so  sceptical that people would not have lived That many years and consider impossible... So they try level best to change the tonr of it. 
Same Dr.  Hanny is talking about people of cave not 300 years but 300 unproductive people. 
#3
General Issues / Questions / Welcome /receive
March 09, 2024, 03:59:31 AM


Salam.

The attached is lost of words and and these words for me I feel are welcome or receive not hope ...

I don't know suddenly I felt when I read a verse.. No.. It is not hopr iy seems welcome. But that's how normally guidance reached me in my life.. So I checked all other verses whether welcome
/  receive match.. Well for me perfectly matches..
Has anyone taken any of these verses as welcome / receive / greet?
Or am I weird here..?


I was wondering if everywhere this verse is welcome then what is in 69:17 ..ot seems like WELCOMING POINT where Malika standing..

Also 7:111 and those three verses if it translates as POSTPONE... well.. Creepy that is..
For me it says WELCOME /RECEIVE MOSA AND HARUN.. and other verse too welcome the proposal

Second point...

Also word Ayyam normally translated as plural of day... Is it really plural of day?  Or something like INTENSITY.. certain verses when taken as days makes me feel like ..well not giving sense in verse... Any thoughts...
#4
wāw qāf yā و ق ي

Normally stated THAQWA... Is this PIETY or  RIGHTEOUSNESS or FEAR? 
well.. big No.. In my thorough understanding it means fundamentally CONCIOUS / COGNIZANT and it has meaning of defend etc too but my concern is about CONCIOUSNESS...
In entire Quran whereever This word is translated as righteous or pious or fear should be replaced by cognizant / concious or it's proper forms ...

Note : FEAR or ANXIETY (root khā shīn yā (خ ش ي ) or (root khā wāw fā خ و ف is mentioned in Quran even to Allah and even Allah fear or be anxious and these words are different but not wāw qāf yā ...

Any verse of taqwa you bring I will show in sha Allah how it works with cognizant or concious... It makes much sense in entire Quran with complete verses contextually too..

Salam..
#5
Some are asking me that 29:45 is salah or not?... Let me explain..

29:45
"Recite (tā lām wāw ت ل و what is revealed to you of the Book and establish connection / integrity Indeed, connection (salah) prevents immorality and wrongdoing, and the remembrance of Allah is greater, and Allah knows that which you do."

If you look at the above verse,  most would say yes read Quran and perform salah... That's how we are programmed..
If you take word tā lām wāw  as RECITE here ..fine.. Of course this word has a meaning of RECITE...  but it has other meanings as well which Quran specifically used.. But actual meaning in this verse is PURSUE like in some other verses of Quran..

"Pursue what is revealed to you of the book,  and establish connection / integrity (salah), indeed connection/integrity (salah) prevents immoralities and evils, and the remembrance of Allah is greater and Allah knows that what you do."

Ritual salah never even has the capacity to prevent immoralities and evils.. It's just a movement of body... But this (salah) connection / integrity with Allah is a powerful weapon and its truthful and stands as a barricade in your heart and thus it keeps away immoralities and evils... But in the same verse Allah states more than the Connection /Salah,  the Remembrance / Zikr Allah is great.. Cuz connection is kind of fear and respect but remembering Allah is indeed greater...

Note: I don't see those who do ritual salah are with pure characters void of immoralities and evils.. It doesn't help.. At least I have seen people who try hard to prevent some basic evils from dawn to dusk while doing fasting just to safeguard their fasting but they do all evils cuz they not even aware what immoralities and evils are.. They are restricted only with sex but all evils in business and in general life and in heart  never faded off..

Nothing prevents immoralities and evils except Connection (Salah) to Allah...  And Allah didn't even mention that Siyam prevents immoralities and evils..
** some conventional Muslims do have Connection / salah with Allah for sure but they never believed in Allah without associating to Allah.  . That's unfortunate..
#6
What is the nature of God? / Thanking Allah?
January 29, 2024, 09:40:04 PM
I was discussing a bit with my best friend... But I am interested hear your views..
What you think THANKING ALLAH is? Being grateful to Allah means saying by words like Alahamdulillah and done.. Even Alahamdulillah doesn't mean thank you Allah..

shīn kāf rā ... Grateful is the word I am talking about... What's it in Quran?

Pls share your up to date understanding and yout understanding after seeing this topic...
Thank you
Salam..
#7
Salam / Peace brothers and sisters

With this topic I am gonna clarify my utmost understanding of the word SJD normally stated as Sujud or Sajda / Prostration... But this is not physical prostration in entire Quran. Yes entire Quran...  But it means .. ACKNOWLEDGE  (HONOR, RESPECT,  ADMIT, SUBMIT, INCLINE etc)  The reason I stated above is cuz to honor or respect or admit or  submit or incline one need to willingly acknowledge... Yes one can do unwillingly too but fruitless..

It may take months to complete but one by one I will bring to you in sha Allah not to convince you all but to let you know with logic for your knowledge and info in order that you can reflect...

Quran 2:34

And when We said to the Malaika, "Honor /respect (SJD)  to Adam"; so they honored, except Iblees. He refused (Abaa) and was arrogant and became of the disbelievers."

In this verse there is no tangible reason why God would ever command His elite creature (Malaika)  to PROSTRATE to Adam. Sheer meaningless even if they did so.  Indeed what they were commanded and what they did was honoured / respected thus acknowlwdged Adam whole heartedly.

In sha Allah I will explain every verse... Be patient...

#8
General Issues / Questions / Canada Visit
January 17, 2024, 05:14:03 AM
Salam Brothers and Sisters..
In 2022 I lost my job and eversince I could not make it.. My age was a barrier for all companies I apply for jobs.. I am not that old but in my mid 40s..
Somehow I am managing my life...

All I request is if anyone kind enough and can you trust me  and do me a favour.. And a favour that will last till my last breath..

I am hearing Canada visit visa can be changed to work permit visa.. Would any of you willingly having faith on me take me to Canada in visit visa.. Somehow I will manage ticket God willing ..all I need is your support to get the visit visa.. In sha Allah if possible I will get the visa transferred to work visa..

Thank you so much... Here my contact 0094766313017 whatsapp..
Request is honest... I can't say further to convince.. Thank you..
Salam..


#9
What is the nature of God? / Do you agree ?
January 14, 2024, 11:22:48 PM
https://youtu.be/wEAE6IhPu_U?si=WQfg-00nq7T9doQD

Watch the video and if you are a believer in One God pls explain why and how he got it wrong about God and Evil and if you agree with him explain pls why.. No argument just for info and knowledge and see what people indeed think of God....
Thanks..
#10
General Issues / Questions / Maryam being god
December 25, 2023, 08:10:37 PM
Salam...
Hope you all doing fine.
One person repeatedly requested me to share knowledge here again.. I know this place is like a dead rubber and no active debates do take place but still let one or two learn the message of God..  So here I am back at least once in a weak..

Fine..

Let me present below verse

5:116
And behold! Allah will say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah'?" He will say: "Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, Thou I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden

It's just someone's translation.. But no one accepts as Christians or catholic that they consider Mary as god.. They claim it was neither in the past too.. Why God say Mary as god... Yes we all know some group highly sanctify Mary but not claim as god like they claim Jesus as god..

Any comments pls...

#11
Off-Topic / Purpose of life - discord server
November 22, 2023, 02:54:38 AM
peace my dear brothers and sisters...

https://discord.gg/qwGDeU9P

If you are willing Join this server and share your valuable knowledge.. I am trying to pass my knowledge mainly to atheists that God / Creator is true..

Join and share your wonderful input..
You are welcome..
Note.. If anyone having trouble to join through this link pls  let me know...
Salam..
#12
Peace to you all folks..

Yes.. We all know with the tone of many glaring verses of Quran that Quran was revealed over a period of long time.. That's undeniable.. But what have you fathomed from the verses of Quran to conclude that it was revealed orally to prophet Mohamed by the Messenger (Jibreal) and then prophet wrote them down etc..?  Why can't we go for the option that verses or chapters came down in written form from Allah? Not only Quran but any other book of Allah... 
Allah is the Author of the books He sent down to many a prophets in the past..  So why to send it orally for another person to write it down? Is it how authoring a book?  Is it not possible that it could have come gradually in written form ? Why would any author give the responsibility to the recipient to write down His verses while If He sent down directly written it would be perfect without flaws?

I am sure some of you might have some glaring verses in support of my above questions if you feel that Quran or any other revelations were sent down in written form only not verbally in order to write down immediately or memorize and write down later.. Is Mohamed the scribe of Allah for His book or Mohamed was Messenger of Allah for the Risala /Mesaage He sent down?

I am sure concerted effort of us would lead us to project the ironed out truth  in this connection.

What do you think my fellow believers? Did Allah sent down unquestionably His revelation orally and you have proof for that within Quran or you have proof that it was sent down in written form?

Would you please share your up to date understanding in this regard in order for us to delve into it perhaps we would be able to unearth the exact truth how Quran was sent down with certainty in sha Allah?

Please collaborate .. Not a debate but your strong evidence within Quran to substantiate your stance for either of the options..

Thank you..
#13
Salam...

Well.. Some do have a concern whether to eat or not those meat they get from sunni Muslims during haj festivals.. They say they get lot of meat from their relatives and neighbours during conventional haj days..  Is it Okay to eat? Or shall I give them to poor people back?

God has forbidden four foods.. One of them is " Uhilla Lighair Allah biHi"...

First of all are these sunni people believers in the God that all Messengers believed in?  Do they associate with Allah?  Do they differentiate with Messengers?  For what purpose they sacrifice these animals on these days calling Haj?  Is Allah happy in their sacrifice of animals?  Does these sacrifices all over the world have any meaning to Allah? So let them stone to stone and sacrifice animals.   Why a believer want to be part of it by sharing their sacrificed meat?  What a real believer has to do with these rituals and food sacrificed?

Just avoid in which you have no knowledge of...  That's all I have to say.  They have their own religions and rituals formed away from Quran thus they have their own god.. They serve nothing but satan...

If anyone wants to eat... But be responsible for whatever you do... After God's guidance,  never choose SATAN'S path...

#14
Peace...

I will in sha Allah try to bring the right meaning of many a verses which were translated far beyond its true meaning biased with hadith or lacking in perception of the verses. In that series today as an initiation I brought this verse for your clarity.. Comments are welcome in case loopholes/flaws are there..


4:66
And if we had ordered /prescribed on them that "uproot yourselves (aqthulu anfusakum) or get rid of your misfortunes" very few of them would have done it,  but if they did what they were advised in it, it would have been better and firm strenthening/restraining.

Aqthulu anfusakum in such verses like 4:29, 2:54 (musa verse) are in fact meant UPROOT YOURSELVES.. Like we say uproot corruption..once the corruption is uprooted what remains is good.. ie in a modern way if I put, like FORMAT YOUR PCs..
No physical killing here God meant.. For better clarification read preceding and following verses, context is key..
#15
4:15
And those of your women who commit immoral sexual activity then testify with four against them from among you. And if they were testified, so then affiliate/bond them in/with the meditations until accomplish / fulfil the separation /cease/termination (from fahisha) , so then Allah makes for them a path.

4:16
And those who commit it (fahisha) among you (man to man) taunt / abuse / insult both of them, so if they (both) repented and reformed themselves so then excuse both of them. Indeed Allah is turning in generous


If anyone says,  no it may not be the truth then bring what is truth pls.. Welcome.. Remember above verses for believers who are not married / married  but gay or lesbians .. Thats so obvious.

Now one would ponder if this is the system of Allah for believing Gay and lesbians among believers then what could be the rule for believing married men and women who committed Zina (illegal sex outside marriage with opposite sex) ..yes.  24:2 word JALAD is wrongly translated as 100 lashes or whips.. But true meaning in Quran in this instance of  JALAD is undeniably RIGOROUS IMPRISONMENT (hard labour and constrained or imprisonment with hard physical labor) for 100 days and let some of the believers keep witnessing / supervise / testify whether they are going through the humilaiton as it deserved over the period of 100 days.

Upon completion whether wife or husband accept their partner is up to individuals... 100 lashes won't give any justice  .. Anything that lasts always way of amending a person's  character rather than instant punishment...