Pork is HALAL

[good logic]

Peace Mahdi.
That verse is talking about ADDITIONAL ITEMS TO WHAT WAS ALREADY STATED IN THE LAW.-Because of their insolense.

The meat of pork was already forbidden before then.

You could also state-Kullu Al Taham Kana Hillen LiBani Israeel ...Illa Ma Harrama Israeel Ala Nafseehi....- All food was lawful to Beni Israeel except what Israeel forbade themselves- and say why no pork is mentioned here.
Look at the context of the verses brother.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

[Mahdi Ibrahim]

Accordingly, that's what I'm saying:

Allah forget to mention about "Pork"

was made haram for the Jews.

"according to the Conventional Muslim"


and inconsistently made the following order:

The FOOD (pork) OF THOSE GIVEN THE BOOK is also halal for you ... anyone who rejects iman (in halal foods, ie. pork), his actions will COME TO NOTHING and in the Next World he will be among the LOSERS. (5:5)

Why don't they research the (interpretation and translation of the) Quran? Don't they realize that if it(s interpretation and translation) was from someone other than Allah/TRUTH (falsehood), they would find many discrepancies in it. (4:82)

[huruf]

Making the Qur'an say pork is or  is not halal does not make pork any better for human consumption. That is the point and what the Qur'an says. You do not die if you eat it, but it is not a good diet, and particularly, where pork enters and people are poor it becomes overwhelming in the diet.

Some people may like the taste but it is still not a good animal for human consumption.

Salaam


Salaam

[kaltun]

Slm Mahdi Ibrahim,

your post is so shocking... 

what is the name of a pig , pork and swine in old-arabic ( quran-arabic) than ?

cause my whole life i was searching for the reason why pigs were not aloud... i could imagine the warm-weather what make/made this meat weak so its harms the body so thats why not aloud..... or an pig dont chew his cud , this means whole cud is not digest and stored as fat in the stomach ... ect ect ...

people who sporting on high level dont eat pork ==> pork meat is unhealthy
even in petfood like dog and cats there is no pork meat .... ??

but what you summed up from the Quran makes also sense

i am so confused ....

[Mahdi Ibrahim]

That's not the issue...

The issue is whether Allah made pork haram for the Jews, BECAUSE:

The FOOD (pork) OF THOSE GIVEN THE BOOK is also halal for you ... anyone who rejects iman (in halal foods, ie. pork), his actions will COME TO NOTHING and in the Next World he will be among the LOSERS. (5:5)

AND it is shirk:

Say: ´Produce your hadither / jurists / witnesses to testify that Allah made this (pork) haram.´ If they do testify, DO NOT I'TIQAD WITH THEM and DO NOT FOLLOW the whims and desires of people who deny Our SIGNS, and who do not have iman in the Next World and MAKE OTHERS EQUAL TO THEIR LORD (SHIRK). (6:150)

[kaltun]

Slm ,

i found these :

Surah Al-Baqara, 173
الْخِنزِيرِ

Surahal-Ma'idah 3
الْخِنزِيرِ

Surahal-Ma'idah 60

وَالْخَنَا  زِ    يرَ

al-An`am 145
خِنزِيرٍ  لَحْمَ

an-Nahl 115
الْخِنزِيرِ وَلَحْمَ

so if i re-read this only Surahal-Ma'idah 60 its talking about the animal swine .... the rest is rotten meat ??

if i check islamawakend.com non of the translator says rotten meat , but all talking about pig/swine flesh !!!!!

[Mahdi Ibrahim]

 no worry, it is Christian doctrine in Islam...

and it is acted like pig/etc..

muhkamat (fact/logical/cause and effect) and mutasyaabihat (opinion/illogical/delusional)..

What's "SEEN/CONSIDERED" AS

• The monkey sees, monkey do leadership principle; and accordingly..
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no human beings turned into pigs and monkeys

and "seen/considered" is consistent with other verses etc.

Say: "Shall I tell you of a reward with Allah far worse than that: that of those whom Allah has cursed and with whom He is angry — turning some of them into monkeys (brain/attitude) and into pigs (brain/attitude) — ie. and who served false LordLaws (political jurisprudence)? Such people are in a worse situation and further from the right way.´ (5:60)


There are so many "acted like" pigs and monkeys..  Planet of The Apes.

[huruf]

htWho are jews (as per Qur'an)?

And why should I give a damn about what was forbidden to them or not?

Salaam

[Wakas]

Already covered:
https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9599591.msg234462#msg234462

The basic conclusion was IF you ignore the form the word is in and Quranic grammar, then yes, you can interpret it the way you imply.

Quote from: tanveermd
According to qur'aanic grammar, in the phrases "lahma khinzeerin" or "lahma alkhinzeeri", "khinzeer" CANNOT be an adjective but can only be a noun. This has been discussed numerous times on this forum in the past. Please use the search feature for the relevant threads.

A short explanation is as follows:

For "khinzeer" to be an adjective the phrase has to have "AL" before both words or if "AL" is not before both words then both words have to have the same ending of "an" or "un".

For example:

"lahmun khinzeerun" or "al-lahma al-khinzeer".

The phrases in al-qur'aan are as follows:

"lahma khinzeerin" (6:145), and "lahma/lahmu alkhinzeeri" (2:173, 5:3, 16:115).

Thus "khinzeer" in those phrases CANNOT be an adjective, and can only mean "pig".

[Mahdi Ibrahim]

It is not conclusive because the rule of the grammar ignores "natural sign", logic, cause and effect, consistency, fallacies etc and:

Why don't they research the (interpretation and translation of the) Quran? Don't they realize that if it(s interpretation and translation) was from someone other than Allah/TRUTH (falsehood), they would find many discrepancies in it. (4:82)

e.g.

Dead animal is haram, make sense.
Blood is haram, make sense.
Maggoty stinking meat is haram, make sense.

This is haram?



Doesn't make sense.

It is inconsistent with dead animal and blood.


Do you believe in part of the Book and disbelieve in another part of it? (2:85)



not grammar alone.


wrong interpretation methodology = wrong conclusion.