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Is Quran Really Compatible with Science????

Started by Harun, January 25, 2013, 09:34:11 AM

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StopS

Quote from: FearGod on February 02, 2013, 07:24:18 AM
Yes i agree that you mentioned that the earth was known to be a sphere and rotate around the sun since the era of ancient egypt and greece

So how is talking about a spherical Earth and the orbits in our solar system a change of topic, when that is what I mentioned right at the start?

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Yes that was my point since you claimed that the earth was known to be a sphere and rotates around the sun then why it wasn't mentioned in the bible since the bible had mentioned the creation of day and night,sun..etc
But instead of replying my question you had moved to the expanding universe .

I replied and because I try and show why I think this is true I usually provide an example or the sources. Here I gave an example.

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You have to rely on yourself to find the truth and not what you called the reputable translators but the problem you don't know anything about arabic language and one example is your funny statement garden musioon الحديقة موسعون

ok

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informations in the bible have been corrupted

And so what?

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You didn't reply my question why the bible mentioned creation of day , night and the sun while not mentioning the sphere earth that rotates around the sun since it was known during ancient egyptians as you and some others claimed.

What does the Bible have to do with the contents of the Koran? Do I need to quote ALL creation myths around since Gilgamesh?

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Yes of course,for that reason i said to you it is useless trying to explain it to you while you know nothing about the arabic language and you have noticed that i said something in english which was wrong such as "even not smart on it" and "eluding".

So then what are we doing here on an English speaking forum speaking English?

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You don't have your thoughts but only just copy and paste what other had said and i think that is the big problem

Again jumping to conclusions. If you would have asked I would have explained that I copied this from my book I wrote after researching this myself.
You however, have nothing based on your own thoughts and research as you repeat only the Koran.

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Arabic language isn't as easy as english,try to translate the word لموسعون

if he agrees with you that doesn't mean that both of you are right.

Thats why i said its hard to explain it to you because you rely on the others and not yourself

وَالسَّمَاءَ بَنَيْنَاهَا بِأَيْدٍ وَإِنَّا لَمُوسِعُونَ
AND IT IS We who have built the universe with [Our creative] power; and, verily, it is We who are steadily expanding it. (51:47)

You can notice first how long is the english sentence to explain the short arabic verse, 5 arabic words explained by around 20 english words.

i can't explain it to you whiloe you don't know arabic but i'll try my best to show you something which is easy for you to realize.

[it is we who are (or ) we are the one who]  What word do you think can be after it

it is we who are expand
it is we who are expanding it
it is we who are expanders

There is an action after "it is we who are",hope you can understand it even still in arabic much easier for you to understand 

it is we who are do
it is we who are doing it
it is we who are doers

Stubborn and ardent clinging to one's opinion is the best proof of stupidity.

Ok, then I am stupid and you are not. This action called eisegesis is futile and dishonest. But if that's what you need in your life, thanks for letting me know.

FearGod

Quote from: StopS on February 02, 2013, 01:25:08 PM
So how is talking about a spherical Earth and the orbits in our solar system a change of topic, when that is what I mentioned right at the start?

i said since the earth was known to be a sphere and rotates around the sun then why not mentioned in older books and even if it
was mentioned in older books then their view was a speculation and philosophical one with no tangible evidence so to claim that the prophet used the philosophical views in the quran is a silly one.

Quote from: StopS on February 02, 2013, 01:25:08 PMI replied and because I try and show why I think this is true I usually provide an example or the sources. Here I gave an example.

you didn't about heliocentric but you moved to the expanding universe

Quote from: StopS on February 02, 2013, 01:25:08 PMAnd so what?

The bible is also a holy book and the information in Isaiah 42:5: "Thus says God, the Lord, who created the heavens and stretched them out" was corrupted or mistranslated.

Quote from: StopS on February 02, 2013, 01:25:08 PMWhat does the Bible have to do with the contents of the Koran? Do I need to quote ALL creation myths around since Gilgamesh?

Did you see,you have called them myths.
so how you claim that the quran got those scientific informations from those myths since Gigamesh and upward.

Quote from: StopS on February 02, 2013, 01:25:08 PMSo then what are we doing here on an English speaking forum speaking English?

i meant to say i don't know english language as much as you know and conversely i know arabic language much than you know.

Quote from: StopS on February 02, 2013, 01:25:08 PMAgain jumping to conclusions. If you would have asked I would have explained that I copied this from my book I wrote after researching this myself.
You however, have nothing based on your own thoughts and research as you repeat only the Koran.

Research what and you don't know anything about the arabic language.

Quote from: StopS on February 02, 2013, 01:25:08 PMOk, then I am stupid and you are not. This action called eisegesis is futile and dishonest. But if that's what you need in your life, thanks for letting me know.

i didn't mean to insult and accept my apology if it is understood to be so.

That was a quote by Michel De Montagaine which can apply on me and you and any one in our world,
search and understand well than just to be programmed to refuse anything which is religious.

StopS

Quote from: FearGod on February 03, 2013, 04:50:56 AM
i said since the earth was known to be a sphere and rotates around the sun then why not mentioned in older books and even if it was mentioned in older books then their view was a speculation and philosophical one with no tangible evidence so to claim that the prophet used the philosophical views in the quran is a silly one.

What brings you to believe I can answer a question regarding what people were thinking 2000 years ago? I told you it was NOT commonly known and you turn my words around as "it was known". What tangible evidence for what? "the prophet" being which prophet? What view is a "philosophical views in the quran" and what would make it silly.

Why don't make a bit more sense by explaining what you are talking about? Putting riddles here does not help anyone. Thanks.

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you didn't about heliocentric but you moved to the expanding universe

Correct. I am not in the habit of explaining the problem with the problem itself. That wouldn't make sense, would it?

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The bible is also a holy book and the information in Isaiah 42:5: "Thus says God, the Lord, who created the heavens and stretched them out" was corrupted or mistranslated.

And the tangible evidence for this claim is: ......

Look, repeating something is not an explanation or evidence. It does not matter how many times you repeat it.

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Did you see,you have called them myths. so how you claim that the quran got those scientific informations from those myths since Gigamesh and upward.

Yes, I called them myths. That's what you call something which is repeated often, but is the product of emotion and imagination.
I did not claim anything about how something originated in the Koran. I don't know.

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i meant to say i don't know english language as much as you know and conversely i know arabic language much than you know.

Research what and you don't know anything about the arabic language.

i didn't mean to insult and accept my apology if it is understood to be so.

That was a quote by Michel De Montagaine which can apply on me and you and any one in our world,
search and understand well than just to be programmed to refuse anything which is religious.

Tell me something: does it really make much sense to ask me to translate something from Arabic to English when you know I don't speak Arabic?

You say you know Arabic but not whether you speak MSA or classic Arabic, whether you are a native speaker or whether you know just a few words. But regardless, it does not allow you to jump to conclusions when I write something.

How was I to know this was a quote from someone else? Anyway, I find it condescending, judgemental and wrong.

If you have any tangible evidence for anything of scientific interest in the Koran, which I consider to contain signs and not science, then please bring it up see if you can change my opinion.