Quote from: ayman on August 19, 2012, 01:24:01 PM
Peace Alkitab,
All languages by their very nature develop and interact with other languages and borrow from them. This is normal. However, what is not normal is the dogmatic belief of some Sunnis that Arabic is the origin of all languages. This is rooted in the nonsensical belief that Arabic is a divine language. This goes back to the ancient dispute about the great reading being created or uncreated. The Sunnis believe that it is uncreated and therefore they often consider its Arabic language also uncreated.
I will demonstrate the problems with attributing everything to Arabic through the examplemake below where you the common error of attempting to attribute the word "jund" to an Arabic origin:
The word "jund" occurs some 29 times in the great reading in various forms. The word has no verbal root in Arabic, in other words the word "janad" doesn't exist in the Arabic language. We only find the word "jannad" (to make troops). What we find is that "jund" in fact comes from Persian where it means army or troop. First it was borrowed from Persian into Aramaic. So it either came to Arabic directly from Persian or (more probably) through Aramaic.
Peace,
Ayman
Mister Aymen, I respect you a lot, and admire your sincere search of truth, but in this one, I totally agree with with what "Alkitab" posted
the Arabic language is as modern as english, frensh and other europeen languages, tha anciant languages are , the Quran language, maybe latin, hindu etc
the arabic language is inspired from the quran, and made up to alter the senses of the words , for exemple, the word ALHAMD, which is used to mean THANK , just as choukr, but inreality , when you study the word, it means something greater than that, it means the COMMAND
exemple, proof from the quran , the KAFIROON, responded by HAMDI of their Lord
سورة الإسراء - الآية 52 -
يَوْمَ يَدْعُوكُمْ فَتَسْتَجِيبُونَ بِحَمْدِهِ وَتَظُنُّونَ إِنْ لَبِثْتُمْ إِلَّا قَلِيلًاThe day he'll call you and you responds
by his command and you will believe you rested only a little 17:52
I give you another exemple, these people who invented languages and fabricated them when colonising the world, wanted to change the whole HISTORY , to keep controlling in the future
look at the word ALROOM
1 - الم
2 - غُلِبَتِ الرُّومُ
the ROOM was defeated
3 - فِي أَدْنَى الْأَرْضِ وَهُمْ مِنْ بَعْدِ غَلَبِهِمْ سَيَغْلِبُونَ
in the lowest land, and after their defeat, they will be victorious
4 - فِي بِضْعِ سِنِينَ ۗ لِلَّهِ الْأَمْرُ مِنْ قَبْلُ وَمِنْ بَعْدُ ۚ وَيَوْمَئِذٍ يَفْرَحُ الْمُؤْمِنُونَ
in a few years, for Allah are the affairs from before and after, and that moment will be joyfull for MUMINUN
5 - بِنَصْرِ اللَّهِ ۚ يَنْصُرُ مَنْ يَشَاءُ ۖ وَهُوَ الْعَزِيزُ الرَّحِيمُ
With the triumph of Allah, he'll triumph whom he wills and he is the supreme, the mercifull
When I read these verses, I ask a question, why would the mouslim be joyfull and happy, with the victory of a foreign nation, agaist another foreign nation, while they're both non muslims ? Why would Allah promiss a victory to muslims, while the victory isn't their and they have nothing to do in that war ? and the best is, why allah calls that victory of a non muslim nation, NASR ALLAH ?
this whole thing stink SATAN explanation in history and hadith books
when you study the quran alone , you get this
سورة الأنفال - الجزء 9 - الآية 17 - الصفحة 179
فَلَمْ تَقْتُلُوهُمْ وَلَٰكِنَّ اللَّهَ قَتَلَهُمْ ۚ وَمَا رَمَيْتَ إِذْ رَمَيْتَ وَلَٰكِنَّ اللَّهَ رَمَىٰ ۚ وَلِيُبْلِيَ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ مِنْهُ بَلَاءً حَسَنًا ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ سَمِيعٌ عَلِيمٌRAMAYT - RAMA
سورة المائدة - الجزء 7 - الآية 94 - الصفحة 123
يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا لَيَبْلُوَنَّكُمُ اللَّهُ بِشَيْءٍ مِنَ الصَّيْدِ تَنَالُهُ أَيْدِيكُمْ وَرِمَاحُكُمْ لِيَعْلَمَ اللَّهُ مَنْ يَخَافُهُ بِالْغَيْبِ ۚ فَمَنِ اعْتَدَىٰ بَعْدَ ذَٰلِكَ فَلَهُ عَذَابٌ أَلِيمٌRIMAHA-KUM
therefore, Rama and rimah etc... all this together is called ARMY
ALROOM = ARMY, this sourah is talking about a defeat of the muslim army, and the promise was made that they will be victorious
here prophecy fullfilled:
سورة النصر - - الآية 1 -
إِذَا جَاءَ نَصْرُ اللَّهِ وَالْفَتْحُ
when came the victory of Allah and triumph
سورة الأحزاب - - الآية 22 -
وَلَمَّا رَأَى الْمُؤْمِنُونَ الْأَحْزَابَ قَالُوا هَٰذَا مَا وَعَدَنَا اللَّهُ وَرَسُولُهُ وَصَدَقَ اللَّهُ وَرَسُولُهُ ۚ وَمَا زَادَهُمْ إِلَّا إِيمَانًا وَتَسْلِيمًا
And when the MUMINUN saw the faderates, they said this is what been promissed to us by allah and his messenger, allah is truthfull and his messenger, and it added to them only safety and peace
the sourah alroom , sall be translated like this
1 - الم
A L M
2 - غُلِبَتِ الرُّومُ
the Army was defeated
3 - فِي أَدْنَى الْأَرْضِ وَهُمْ مِنْ بَعْدِ غَلَبِهِمْ سَيَغْلِبُونَ
in the lowes land, and after their defeat, they will be victorious
4 - فِي بِضْعِ سِنِينَ ۗ لِلَّهِ الْأَمْرُ مِنْ قَبْلُ وَمِنْ بَعْدُ ۚ وَيَوْمَئِذٍ يَفْرَحُ الْمُؤْمِنُونَ
in a few years, to Allaj are the affairs from before and after, and in that moment will be joyfull for MUMINUN
5 - بِنَصْرِ اللَّهِ ۚ يَنْصُرُ مَنْ يَشَاءُ ۖ وَهُوَ الْعَزِيزُ الرَّحِيمُ
With the triumph of Allah, he'll triumph whom he wills and he is the supreme, the mercifull
IT MAKES P?RFECT SENSE ( TO ME )vv
and conclusion :
Alroom = Army , perfect match , Etymology way speaking
I suggest, Take in consideration that the language of the quran, is the 1st language intelligent men were inspired FROM ALLAH, at least, give a prooof that the language of the quran , is just another langue made by man , or the TONGUE inspired from the begining
I use to laugh at Arabs when they say Arabic is the origin of all languages, but after study, I realised that ARABS are wrong, because the quran isn't arabic language, but it contains all languages of the world
BY The way , JUNUD isn't persian , it simply means AGENTS , when Allah speaks of Agents we don't see, he's talking about secret agents, and not some spirits from another dimension, but men , agents
