For those people ,who like Hadith and stuff.........

[Thereformer1]

Well i think you are missing the point, let me explain;
The aim was i think to show that the hadith's  of Bukhari as available and as understood now- what the Muslim majority call authentic good material, some of them are so rediculous And yet the Muslim Alims say  the Bukhari hadith's, as understood now, are 100% correct and unless one believes in them he/she isn't regarded as a Muslim.
The sanad is of 6 people or more- is besides the point if the Hadith are depicting the prophet in such a bad light-the Hadith are not acceptable as authentic stuff of a prophet.

the hadith is whithout Sanad , so I'm wondering why this member put this hadith ? his aim of course insulting Islam. because he knows that we have classified hadith from a lot of Major point like Sanad and Maten . I'll take this Thread as an obvious attack .

[simple]

the hadith is whithout Sanad , so I'm wondering why this member put this hadith ? his aim of course insulting Islam. because he knows that we have classified hadith from a lot of Major point like Sanad and Maten . I'll take this Thread as an obvious attack .

For your information the sanad is given in tha bukhari hadith ;

the sanad is given in the hadiths

Said Musa son of Ismail told by wahaib told by Ayub told by his father Kilaya told by Anaas who narated the happening......  

What are you talking about the sanad is not given?

[afridi220]

Sorry this copy doesn't seem to have your name but Thereformers might - i wonder if he would kindly check in his authentic original copy which we don't have............

Yeah may you are right i will wait and see if he can find my name.

[Tariq77]

the hadith is whithout Sanad , so I'm wondering why this member put this hadith ? his aim of course insulting Islam. because he knows that we have classified hadith from a lot of Major point like Sanad and Maten . I'll take this Thread as an obvious attack .

Thereformer1,

It so happened that I was discussing this very same Hadith last night with a lover of Sahih Bukhari and when I showed him this Hadith, he was as speechless as I was when I first read it. I knew he was going to put the blame on me for attacking the Prophet (just like you did earlier for someone else) so what I did was as a prep was to ask him print/edition of translation of the Sahih Bukhari that he firmly believed in to be 100% authentic, let him download it and have him open to the page that has this Hadith.

I hope you can understand Urdu (or Arabic) and this picture is directly copied from Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1 (Page 353-354). Here's the link for the Sahih Bukhari that I used (http://www.quranurdu.com/Sahih_Bukhari)

And here's the Hadith as copied from the above book along with its "Tashreeh": http://i27.tinypic.com/156egj7.png


Hope this satifies as your so-called "Sanad".

[Philosopher]

Thereformer1,

It so happened that I was discussing this very same Hadith last night with a lover of Sahih Bukhari and when I showed him this Hadith, he was as speechless as I was when I first read it. I knew he was going to put the blame on me for attacking the Prophet (just like you did earlier for someone else) so what I did was as a prep was to ask him print/edition of translation of the Sahih Bukhari that he firmly believed in to be 100% authentic, let him download it and have him open to the page that has this Hadith.

I hope you can understand Urdu (or Arabic) and this picture is directly copied from Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1 (Page 353-354). Here's the link for the Sahih Bukhari that I used (http://www.quranurdu.com/Sahih_Bukhari)

And here's the Hadith as copied from the above book along with its "Tashreeh": http://i27.tinypic.com/156egj7.png


Hope this satifies as your so-called "Sanad".

lol where are you thereformer1??? avoiding this thread like the plague are we lol

[357]

I personally believe a lot of the hadith's and things are okay but mistranslated, but irrespective of that majority of believers still consider the current translations to be correct so this is just for their awareness, and not in any way to tarnish the actual hadith.

[huruf]

The point of the hadith being used as authority to derive rules is that in fact anybody can misuse them to impose anything he or she fancies. As simple as that.

The question is not whether the hadith are authentic or have sanad or do not have wahtever. The point is that if there are thousands and thousands and are taken to be foundation for rules of law, it sets people at the mercy of hadith magicians who know the magic rules for them in order to issue thaousands upon thousands of uncalled for nor needed rules.

So to admit anything other than God's law is suicide and the law of the jungle.

So if theree are hadith that say sensible things, so profit from them but do not make laws out of them. For that only the Qur'an is authority. And those hadith that do not have anything useful to tell just forget. Why bother with potentially thousands upon thousands of potential rules that only complecate what the Qur'an has made simple?

[Maha]

The point of the hadith being used as authority to derive rules is that in fact anybody can misuse them to impose anything he or she fancies. As simple as that.

The question is not whether the hadith are authentic or have sanad or do not have wahtever. The point is that if there are thousands and thousands and are taken to be foundation for rules of law, it sets people at the mercy of hadith magicians who know the magic rules for them in order to issue thaousands upon thousands of uncalled for nor needed rules.

So to admit anything other than God's law is suicide and the law of the jungle.

So if theree are hadith that say sensible things, so profit from them but do not make laws out of them. For that only the Qur'an is authority. And those hadith that do not have anything useful to tell just forget. Why bother with potentially thousands upon thousands of potential rules that only complecate what the Qur'an has made simple?

and what matters worse is that hadithers claim that it is only their scholars who have the ability to distinguish between ''strong'' hadiths and ''weak'' hadiths which ultimately result in a mullah-made religion. So whenever it suits their mullahs they claim a hadith to be strong and when a hadith doesnt suits them for the moment they claim it to be ''weak''.

Alhamdulillah our Quran is not depended upon mullahs as God himself is the protector of it.

Peace