In-depth reality of Eisa’s last moment through Al Quran

[jkhan]

We can always request evidence for physical tortures that allegedly took place in the past.. Crucifixion is a form of physical torture claimed to have existed in human history. Bring evidence.. I don't think I am misquoting anything..

Furthermore, I did not say I am superior to you..
Why we debate in this forum or why we share our own views, simply to educate others, and along the course of such debate, we get some information from the other parties.. The debate wins and not the people who participate in it.. Debate wins, meaning truth goes forward and touches the thoughts of those who reflect and those who are truth-seekers. That means neither you nor me will ever win.. Always falsehood exposes its genuine character.. So be patient, and seek... I am seeking, are you?

We have to present the truth, if we know it, and let the truth prevail on its own.. Why don't you get me, and why do you think about me always negatively as if I am forcing you.. It shows, you like to remain in your view but still trying to show a good face to the world as if you are polite..

To speak the truth, there is no need for fear.. Let people get hurt by listening to the truth.. Can't help.. That's why truth hurts.. No need to adjust truth to pacify anyone.. Truth is one, and not what you and I speak is truth, but on its own it is truth.. People have the capacity to realize, but with the right approach only..

Let's keep sharing.. If you feel you speak the truth, pls share... I only share the truth, which I feel is the truth..

Stick to the topic pls..

[jkhan]

Peace jkhan.
The body of Jesus was still functioning until after the crucifixion but the soul departed weeks earlier.
As far as those delivering the punishment Jesus was still alive.

We have an example, in our time, of this phenomenon of the soul departing and the body functioning for a time after here:

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1986-08-07-mn-1997-story.html

Yes William john Schroeder- 19 letters - departing just after his heart transplant but his body lived few months after:
Quote from the text-:
The length of Schroeder's survival and his ability to live outside the Kentucky hospital were signs of progress in the experimental implant program. But three earlier strokes, all apparently related to the man-made pump, left his speech and mobility severely impaired and raised questions about the risks of the device and the quality of life recipients might expect.

"He volunteered for the artificial heart because he loved life and the people around him, and he wanted to help others," said DeVries.
And:
When President Reagan called to wish him well, Schroeder bent the chief executive's ear about the runaround he was getting from the folks at Social Security.

Those first two weeks with the heart were good times for the retired federal employee. Schroeder himself said he felt "fantastic."

But on the evening of the 19th day, Dec. 13, only a few hours after receiving a hand-delivered Social Security check spurred by his complaint to Reagan, he suffered the stroke.

He was unconscious for about an hour and he awoke paralyzed on his right side and unable to speak. DeVries said later he feared he might have lost his patient.

From this moment onwards until his departure from this life completely, William J Schroeder was only functioning as a body devoid of intellect ,understanding or memory-soul- :
.Speech Was Slurred

Although Schroeder awoke, he had difficulty recognizing his family and remembering what day it was, and his speech was slurred. Neurological tests indicated that Schroeder had actually suffered small strokes, severely damaging three areas of his brain.

DeVries said he thought the strokes resulted from a blood clot that formed in or near the heart and broke into pieces en route to the brain. Dr. Robert K. Jarvik, inventor of the artificial heart, agreed.

But both men said they would probably never be sure whether the Jarvik-7 heart was to blame for the strokes. Future implants might shed some light on the link between the heart and strokes, they said.

While the strokes set back Schroeder's progress, and apparently caused a temporary sag in his spirits, his doctors remained optimistic that he would be able to leave the hospital, something the first mechanical pump recipient, Barney Clark, never did.

Thanks brother.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

Let me be very clear..

Let's hypothetically assume that the corpse or half alive body (lol) of Eisa, son of Maryam was found by someone, and they decided to put him on the cross... Did the Divine explain to the people who were witnessing the incident that Eisa's psyche, real person is already dead and it is just the mere body they were crucifying? So don't worry.. No.. People were witnessing that the body in which Eisa, the person lived in it being crucified...Emotional torture..  So, in whatever the angle we look at it, what people witnessed was Eisa, son of Maryam was crucified and the Divine is responsible for misleading all.. Why should the Divine take his life and leave the body like a dog to be crucified? So the Divine sets up everything.. Instead, if the Divine sent him to another nation to preach the same message by Eisa, it would have been far better solution.. You are mocking the Divine here.. Your option does not make any sense..
You assumption does not work at all with traditional translations..
Traditional translation is clear.. 'They did not KILL him'.. 'They did not CRUCIFY him.. So, you say, since the Divine took his life away prior to crucifixion, Yes they did not KILL him. Plausible, okay.. But they CRUCIFIED him for sure.. it is not the psyche that is crucified on the cross, but it is the body of a person that is always crucified.. Do you copy that? Do you see the fallacy in your stance? You can't ... cus you don't want the truth, you like to remain where you stand... When someone speaks against your stance, you speak totally outside the topic.. I've noticed this for ages with you now.. That's why I did not reply to you and clearly stated to let readers reflect.. Cus I know your attitude..

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Logical Question to @Everyone...

Read Al Quran 5:33 and let me know that the Divine prescribed CRUCIFIXION in that verse or not.. If you really think that the Divine commanded Crucifixion, explain why...

Remember, according to Romans and Greeks, Crucifixion was a capital punishment invented by the Persians in 500 BC, and the Divine created Law based on ancient Persian tradition... So, the Divine applies the law of the Persians in verse 5:33? And that too for not killing anyone..

[good logic]

Peace jkhan.

Let me show you why you do not understand the verse:

You say, quote:

"Traditional translation is clear.. 'They did not KILL him'.. 'They did not CRUCIFY him.. So, you say, since the Divine took his life away prior to crucifixion, Yes they did not KILL him. Plausible, okay.. But they CRUCIFIED him for sure.. it is not the psyche that is crucified on the cross, but it is the body of a person that is always crucified.. Do you copy that? Do you see the fallacy in your stance? You can't ... cus you don't want the truth, you like to remain where you stand... When someone speaks against your stance, you speak totally outside the topic.. I've noticed this for ages with you now.. That's why I did not reply to you and clearly stated to let readers reflect.. Cus I know your attitude.."

1- you skipped " Wa Lakin SHubbiha lahum" They did both, crucified and killed, according to them Jesus was there in both entities.
So what is there for me to copy? your misunderstanding of the verse?

2- GOD is saying that the real Jesus-soul- was not killed nor crucified by them because GOD took the soul before they acted on the body. But They thought they did.-crucified and killed the real Jesus-
The following verse confirms their plot was outdone by GOD s plan that took place before their act.
i.e: Wa ma kataluhu Yaqueena"- They did not kill the real Jesus for certain.GOD took it up to His realm
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3- Do you think GOD took up the body of Jesus or the real Jesus? Or what does GOD took Jesus up mean?

Your questions are built on your misunderstanding of the verses brother.

If you reflect on your posts you find that most of your questions are reflecting your own misunderstandings of the verses of Qoran.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

[jkhan]

Your view is for readers' reflection.. I totally disagree and it doesn't make any sense to me..