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Salam,

I see this as the key issue which pushes most people away from the subject of `19` without giving it its due research.

Most people assume wrongly that 19 means you remove 2 verses from the Quran.

Recall, in the 70`s & 80`s, no one had a problem to embrace the 19 sign - before the 2 verses issue.

\\peace to all.

I did not read all the replies so maybe my thoughts have already been thought about  and I see this was started in 2008 however, I will give my input.

Removing the verses because they did not fit was not the place of anyone. The Quran does say it is preserved.

I agree with the above quote.

Just because we do not understand how the two verses fit does not mean they do not fit.

Sometimes we at first do not understand our creator. 

I would love to find someone to study with.

I am not sure. Maybe.

However, he knew he was a prophet before the death of his first wife? Did he not? So he was not thinking about sexual acts with the power of Allah and the hellfire near to him.

I am still leaning towards no sexual acts with these ladies.

It sounds to me as if you are saying, that even if both the wifes and the husband all want the husband to be having sex with the wifes, then you would still see it as being forbidden.
Do I understand you correct?

Honestly, I have absolutely no clue. None. It just came to my mind that maybe he (the prophet) had no sex with these women. I was only trying to understand  what being fair to two women might mean?

What do you think it means?

I have been told many things but mostly I have been told that a man can be fair with money but not the love.  In other words he can give two women exactly the same in money and possessions. But, his feeling are not the same he might like one more than the other one.   And the Quran does say a man cannot have two hearts.


Just by all this I think if they all want to have sex it would be completely sexual in nature.  Which then it is forbidden in Quran.   

I don't know though. I don't know. It seems to me that what people say a man cannot feel the same about the women that he has this right to still have sex with one he feels less about. I cannot see how this is fair.

The only way I can see it would be fair is no sex.

I am not sure of nothing.

But, I am still leaning towards the prophet did not sleep with his many wives. I could be wrong. But for now I am thinking he didn't even lay a hand on them. Not once.

Besides the first wife would have to agree to allow her husband to marry another

So where does it say that in Quran?

   I do not believe the prophet was told to get permission from his wives first. He was not. Rather the wives were told they would be released if they preferred the way of this world.  "SEX"

Does it not?

A man does not have to get permission  to marry another wife in Quran.  If I am wrong show me the verses where this is true.

And if that is true would it not be also true the wife that is the second wife would have to agree to the first wife already there?  (No secrets about a wife already there)

Actually, that makes more sense if you ask me. The second wife has the biggest choice. To say no or yes!





What makes more sense to me is the wives have the utmost power over their own bodies.  No man can force sex upon her.   If a man takes another wife it would be most fair if there was no sex involved.

However, when women try this out they soon learn that will not be tolerated.  Am I correct? or not?

Does the Quran give women the full right to their own bodies?


I do still believe that Allah is fair to the women.   I am not positive about nothing. 

But, I believe whatever the truth is Allah has been fair.

And one more thing. I have always been told the orphans (the word used) means women.  That would be one reason women in Muslim countries do not take the last name of the husband.

Again, I know nothing for sure.

66:1    O you prophet, why do you make unlawful what God has made lawful for you, seeking to please your wives? God is Forgiver, Merciful.

Why is it that everyone thinks this verse means sex?

marrying a woman and depriving her of physical intimacy/connection is a form of abuse. 

Everyone would be deprived.   Not just her. Him and all the women - of the sexual part.   But, all other aspects are well taking care of.    It is the opposite right now the way things are. The sexual aspect is highly cared for but the protection and caring for her other needs in life is not.

I think it is abusive to try and be intimate and showing love for more than one wife. A man does not have two hearts.   He is lying if he is trying to do that.   It is just animal lust where the devil is playing with the private parts to get someone excited.

However, if one shows Islamic love and cares for her needs whatever they might be --say children that need Islamic environment or to get away from an nonIslamic environment herself.  Or just simply to be giving freedom to live an Islamic life with the protection that comes with it.  And the  Arab women. I am not an Arab but I would gather many of those ladies are left to live in shelters when they could have freedom and a happy Islamic life.

That to me would be so much better than a sexual relationship with any one.

No! The prophet did not have sexual relations with his wives. He did not. He would have been fair.   Allah is fair to us.

marry a woman but refraining sex doesn't seem fair to that woman.   withholding physical/sexual intimacy in a marriage - you don't find anything wrong with that in of itself?

I do not.

Refraining from taking care of the women financially and protecting her it would seem is much worse than leaving her sexually. 

The Quran is clear to gain control of the desires are the successful. Sex is a desire.   You cannot be fair to two women. So do not try to do that.

We are all aware to be fair financially and protecting is doable.   But, desire is not.   So do not even try.

The Arab muslims think themselves more pious then the american muslims.  To them they are able to do this and be fair. They can even kill themselves and make it will Allah. But, they see that is not possible with us americans or any non middle eastern raised person I should say.

I do not agree with them about this. But, what is the use to argue the point? 


They know. They do. They know that I am speaking the truth. They do.

You can't see they know this because they think themselves able to do this fairly where we cannot.   No one can do this fairly. The Quran is the proof. The Quran says u cannot.

Hope I don't make any enemies here with my opinions. That is not my intention. I am just searching the truth.

Allah and his prophet are fair with women.

Why many wives and no sex but not many husbands and no sex? That might seem more fair.

So I am gathering Mr. Bigmo is you are saying that if a man has more than one wife he should be able to have sex with them all?


Or are you saying the fairness would be taking money from more than one man so as not to put one man only  in  financial difficulties?

Just trying to understand why it would be more fair to have many husbands??

Also I would like to add if that is true one wife with sex or many without sex??  Then Islam did indeed elevate the status of women as most people claim.