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জয় বাংলা ...... কে কে আছ ? হাত তোল ।।

Hello sushi..

After going through God alone Study for decade and also being a monotheist,  now I am into Spiritual Sadhana which has given me lot of deep answers about the self and existence.  I came across the discussion of No thought state before but I couldn't grasp it before. But its been over few months that I have managed to get a grasp of this state and its starting to make sense..... Now The understanding of God relating with the self makes alot of sense to me. Only in this way I can dissolve the separation between the creator and the created. Infact it gave a whole new meaning to the understanding of self realization or knowing the self.

Jainism also has the same philosophical aspect. As I am from Bangladesh, we also have a philosophy called Baul and its normally considered mystic as their philosophy is transmitted through singing and talks about deeper state of existence. All the songs are considered like scripture and they believe in Godliness within  humans. So they praise and appreciate Humans as God. Its not like they go straight to that point rather it needs alot of study and practice to attain the attributes of Godliness such as Love, compassion and many more which leads them to such state. Now many quranic ayats gives me different understanding when I change the lense of personified God to Omnipresent Godliness(accumulation of all attributes) among all living beings . which I believe all prophets experienced. One cant grasp it with logic, because in such state all logic dissolves into nothingness. Some say it is the state of being without any thinking.........

( Speech of Nisargadatta Maharaj ) I am only the Self
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uzd0txiRN2E

( Talks With Sri Ramana Maharshi )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weXKuURMgMs

( apeech of Rupert Spira ) How Do I Practice Self Enquiry?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lb3PzxwEKCQ

peace..

Here you have been exposed. You insulted our Lord and without any proof to your claim. I previously asked for proof from Quran to your claim, twice, but all you do is speak your own opinion, which is worthless in front of Quran.
And now you have even changed the subject!

Salam

There is no Us or Our God...speak for yourself pls. You are talking like a cult member just like the sunnis and shias. You are yelling proof proof like a child. How do you Prove that God exist ? by a book..? really..!! Which book did Ibrahim follow to Understand God!!  Which book did muhammad study to realize God before Quran was revealed to him !!!  Without wisdom the book is just ink and paper with some stories. If you dont have any wisdom to understand the deeper meaning and go beyond words than Quran is nothing more than another object made of paper. Haven't fear already sparked a chain reaction of suffering among muslims ? Fearing(to me being concern) of the consequences and fearing God(like a dictator) is two different thing. God is manifested in everything...... You are failing to comprehend my understanding  because you observe God like a character/persona..

peace

Be quiet and don't insult our Lord, we fear and love Him at the same time and may He grant us protection from hypocrites like you. Where's your proof to your disgusting claim? Is it your associate devil telling you to spread their lies? Only the devil is using you.

3:175 It is only the devil trying to create fear for his allies, so do not fear
them, but fear Me if you are believers.

Repent while you can. Hell is prepared for people like you.

I didnt insult your God....Its your mind which is telling you this...thats the whisper Quran talks about. 

So the devil crawls back to his hiding after being exposed. I'm fed up with you rejecters, an annoyance everywhere. Where's the proof to your claim? Stop ignoring and answer what you stand for.

2:268 The  devil  promises  you  poverty  and  orders  you  to  immorality, 
while  God  promises  forgiveness  from  Him  and  grace.  God  is 
Encompassing, Knowledgeable.

What have you exposed submitter..? What can you expose beyond what it is already ..??  You are the proof of yourself......the witness. What else are you looking for when Godliness is within you ?  You can only realize if you stop judging. Which God are you talking about that lives outside you ??  Is there such a God who claims to be omnipresent eternal but lives outside you ?  Turn the observance from outer to inner ....You will realize who or what God is..

peace

Contents of the rejecters, Quran suffices for knowledge...Where is your proof it is the devil in disguise? God be glorified and exalted far above what you describe.
I'm thinking that the devil is your associate, and you're trying to deceive us.

Sorry if thats what you got from my reply..? What would I gain from deceiving you.  I have no power to guide or deceive you in anyway....your world is associated with your perception of God and reality...and mine is with me....... Its a different language of interpreting things.... it boils down to the perception of your being.......

but anyway... I also hope that you attain peace through your method and be in the state of bliss....

peace

fear mongering god is the devil in disguise ...thats how I perceive it.  Any faith that comes out of fear is bad faith... and muslims have abused it to the fullest...ISIS is using it... Talibans used it, CIA uses it ......all dictators use it.... One can witness the horror of fear in this world today..... fear of hunger, fear of disrespect, fear of loosing, fear of what not will drive you crazy...... Fear does not bring out honesty from people rather it subdues ones inner problems to go deeper and screw up the whole process from root.......

This is the term that disturbs me the most in Quran. Fear creates distance from truth . blind faith comes out of fear... devil uses it as the greatest tool. those who say fear brings them closer to God have not understood God at all....

being concerned and being in the state of fear is different thing. As muslims abide by the fear to understand God, they seem to be the most derailed nation of present time....isnt it obvious..??

this is my perception.....I choose God of Love over fear...no matter what books tells me .. I have stopped idolizing books..


peace

Salam,

a few days ago the devils whispered to me while trying to sleep, and I became in a state of shock for the whispers told me to set up partners with God. The shock is for the fear of God.

I feared God so much I began imploring Him to end the whispers, because it was making me 

The whispers ended, thank God. And I got much closer to God.

Lesson: I wouldn't have implored God if I didn't fear Him. See how good fearing God is?
And then there countless other sins that I and many have avoided because of fear of God.

The fantasy world of Buddhism etc may keep you in denial for awhile, but on the Day of Resurrection...the denial won't work, excuses will abandon you, and then the Fire which has been prepared for the rejecters, when you see it, maybe that's when your fear of God goes beyond measure. You should revert back to submitting to God alone and repent and fear Him.

Salam

god that uses fear as tool is no God...... it might keep you contained for a while but the whisper will keep on coming until you face it and deal it with wisdom.... I have been in that state...... There is no god in the sky acting like a fear monger dictator who desires submission...... I find that to be the devils whisper who wants to install fear in my heart...... Bliss and fear doesnt exist in the same paradigm........What we call hell is a state of fear that is triggered by fear itself and it goes in cycle .

Fear mongering god is the devil in disguise ... this is my present perception....

I would like to share a speech Rupert spira on fear...pls watch it when you have time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YD-hMg2j9Y

peace

I can relate to this discussion as after being God alone person, I have dived into a new pool of wonder and infinite awareness. When we say "God".. its produced from the mind as a character limited to personification . I find the word " Godliness " to be more accurate as it beholds all the attributes that makes it such and it is our human desire to be associated or merge with those attributes which we can remember through deep meditation. It like getting back to original identity or the true self which we forgot.

Either God exist or not there has to be a witness to validate it. than who is this witness ? This witness is the self which is beyond any shape or figure or thought to be identified with. It requires a deep level of observation of stillness of the self where all thoughts dissolve and infinite awareness arises.

I will share videos of some gurus who delt these issues...

( Rupert Spira - The nature of consciousness )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20IqSqb0woc

( Raman Maharishi speech )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weXKuURMgMs

peace

Hello everyone....

After going through God alone Study for decade now I am into Spiritual Sadhana which has given me lot of deep answers about the self and existence.  I came across the discussion of No thought state before but I couldn't grasp it before. But its been over 6 months that I have managed to get a grasp of this state and its starting to make sense..... Now The understanding of God relating with the self makes alot of sense to me. Only in this way I can dissolve the separation between the creator and the created. Infact it gave  whole new meaning to the understanding of self realization and also knowing the self.

So I am quit interested to know if anyone in this forum have come to the same point in knowing the self or understanding God state or should I say no thought state. I would like to share few videos of some gurus who are considered to be awakened beings  ... so pls share your thoughts..

( Speech of Nisargadatta Maharaj )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uzd0txiRN2E

( Speech of Ramana Maharishi  )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weXKuURMgMs

peace..