The bible corrupted?

[Man of Faith]

There is idiocy in either of the books in question including Quran. Either the interpretation is wrong, or the text actually says something else, or the text is a mere delusional fabrication.

Be well
Qarael Amenuel

[Amra94]

You really should stop saying such dumb, and evil things about the Bible.

The Bible says some dumb and evil things. What it says about women: https://youtu.be/8aa0ze8aDW0

[Aries]

The bible itself says it is written by many people, not by God There may be words and paragraphs attirbuted to God himself in the bible, but the bible itself is  collection by many  authors with no pretension of being the word or God all thorugh, far from that.

So according to the bible itself it is not the unmodified word of God, what He revealed. Ther emay be something of it, but most is human narration So what the qur'an says about previous scriptures refer to the really revealed by Him, not to human narration. Now I suppose some person here, since he or she was there, can certify that everything narrated in the bible is the pure word of God entirely, but the Bible itself does not say that.
It is so evident that it is painful that again and again we are served the Qur'an says the injil and the whole lot is to be upheld.

Absolutely agree with you.




a)  57:27

(...) And We sent Isa, son of Maryam, and We gave him the Injeel (...)

Jesus did not write anything neither came up with any scripture, all writings about him are third party's handwriting and post mortem



b) 57:100 God said: "O Isa, son of Maryam, recall My blessings upon you and your mother, that I supported you with the Holy Spirit; you spoke to the people in the cradle and middle age, and I taught you the Book and the wisdom, and the Taurat, and the Injeel

So Jesus was taught a book written by other people after his death.

c) Since I can recall, you won't find any verse in Quran affirming Injeel is a book (correct me if I am wrong)



According to Quran the known Gospel(s) CAN NOT BE what Quran calls INJEEL, imo

God bless you all 

[good logic]

Peace SeekingThePrayer.

You need to listen slowly to your argument . Then you need to reflect on what you are saying,What GOD is really saying and what others are saying to  you.

Here is a summary of what you keep saying:

The bible contains the Torah, Zaboor and Injeel,hence the bible is from GOD.
GOD is saying in Qoran to uphold Torah,Zaboor and Injeel.
You have the "original "Torah,Zaboor and Injeel that GOD sent down?


Here is a summary of what GOD says:

Torah that GOD sent down must be judged by. Injeel that GOD sent down must be judged by . Only follow GOD s words. i.e what GOD has revealed if  some of it is in the bible. Use Qoran as criteria.


Here is what some of us are saying to you.

There are a mixture of GOD s words and men s words in the bible.
GOD has never revealed a book called the bible. It claims it has the Torah, Zaboor and Injeel. Use Qoran to check what the bible says. Anything that contradicts the message of Qoran is the men s words in the bible.
We believe that GOD sent Torah,Zaboor and Injeel,but GOD sent a last scripture as a criterion and preserved it for us to use as criteria. It superseeds and tells Beni Israeel (Those who uphold the bible) all that they differe in.


Now ,either bring them the originals and show them your evidence,or keep claiming /repeating what you are saying all over these threads.
As far as we are concerned you are free to believe what you wish to believe.  I myself study the bible . There is nothing wrong in studying the bible. What is wrong is saying all the bible is the word of GOD.
All we are asking is "evidence your claims".
GOD bless you.
Peace

[good logic]

I have seen your link. There is zero evidence it is the original.
For example GOD s original book to Moses was in tablets,where are they? ( Wa katabna lahu fi Al=Alwah")
Sending a link and giving evidence it was revealed by GOD are two different things.
Hope you understand now.
GOD bless you.
Peace

[good logic]

Us saying is of no help to you or to the readers.

What is wrong with a book written on tablets at the time of Moses?

Me believing Qoran is the word of GOD for me and you insisting   the bible is the word of GOD for others are two different things.

Please evidence your claim for others . For you ,you are free to believe what you want with or without evidence.

I am not criticising the bible or those who want to follow the bible,I am saying you have not evidenced your claim.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

[A Submitter]

I think the different terms should be clarified.
The earlier books are Torah, Psalms, and Gospel.

The Bible=New Testament+Old Testament

New Testament=The Gospel (+ I think the Psalms) and some man-made books, such as the numerous messages, and other books. So if we were to compare sectarianism, new testament would be similar to Quran+hadith collections.

Old Testament=Torah and some man-made books. To compare, old testament would look like Quran+hadith collections.

The only way, I think, that we can find which are the Torah and Gospel and Psalms is to look to Quran because it gives many hints. For example, the hint for the Psalms is quite clear. I haven't looked much into this.

Salam

[A Submitter]

And what is your source?

The Bible contains many works of the devil.

Here, check the image to understand which are the books from God and which are man-made devil work.
From God; Torah (named Pentateuch for unknown reason), Psalms, and Gospel. Everything else on that list=devil's work.

http://www.bible-explained.org/02-old-testament/introduction.htm

[Amra94]

Arme,

How's that even close to my name

do you know Aramaic and Hebrew? How sure are you that it is really there what you are reading in the comments of people that comment on mistranslated verses?

Why don't you learn the language, and read the Book for yourself?

And why don't you stop saying such evil things about the Previous Scriptures?

Yeah im sure all the bad stuff is just mistranslated 

[A Submitter]

We will see on the Day of Judgement who was working for the Devil.

I believe thay the other Books in the Bible are Divine Inspirations of God given to the Prophets.

Thats why God  told me in 2:285 of the Quran to believe in the Books and Prophets.

Anyways, i do not further want to talk with someone who doesnt know ehat the Bible is but yet he is willing to say that it is the work of the devil.

May God cure you and guide you.

May God guide you and divert you from the many falsehoods that you believe.