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#91
Discuss Latest World News / Re: How can we see the Palesti...
Last post by 111111 - April 30, 2024, 10:37:03 AMpeace:
How can we see the Palestine- Israel conflict from a Qur'an alone perspective
a clear question is stated and the hypocrite only speak of the nonsense of good and evil, peace and love, love each other.
What the quran ordains in a situation like the current one:
4:75And what is it with you? You do not fight in the cause of Allah and for oppressed men, women, and children who cry out, "Our Lord! Deliver us from this land of oppressors! Appoint for us a saviour; appoint for us a helper—all by Your grace."
4:76Believers fight for the cause of Allah, whereas disbelievers fight for the cause of the Devil. So fight against Satan's ˹evil˺ forces. Indeed, Satan's schemes are ever weak.
that if the palestinians were Muslim. but they are a people living on tradition rather than the word of Allah in quran and previous scriptures. they are more alike to the jews.
Mslim are the aouther layers of bark of the tree of Allah. Mumin are the core. the hypocrite are the dirt that adderes to the bark.
How can we see the Palestine- Israel conflict from a Qur'an alone perspective
a clear question is stated and the hypocrite only speak of the nonsense of good and evil, peace and love, love each other.
What the quran ordains in a situation like the current one:
4:75And what is it with you? You do not fight in the cause of Allah and for oppressed men, women, and children who cry out, "Our Lord! Deliver us from this land of oppressors! Appoint for us a saviour; appoint for us a helper—all by Your grace."
4:76Believers fight for the cause of Allah, whereas disbelievers fight for the cause of the Devil. So fight against Satan's ˹evil˺ forces. Indeed, Satan's schemes are ever weak.
that if the palestinians were Muslim. but they are a people living on tradition rather than the word of Allah in quran and previous scriptures. they are more alike to the jews.
Mslim are the aouther layers of bark of the tree of Allah. Mumin are the core. the hypocrite are the dirt that adderes to the bark.
#92
General Issues / Questions / Re: Know Arabic before talking...
Last post by good logic - April 30, 2024, 02:16:20 AMOf course translations of Qoran will never replace the "original sent Qoran".
But each individual will have to wrestle his/her own translation from the original.
No one will understand Qoran, no matter how much Arabic they know, unless they use all the tools and knowledge available to them, then seek The Creator of Qoran for guidance and help.
The crucial part is to make the initial decision to search Qoran with honesty and sincerity . Make the effort with all your heart and mind and seek GOD Alone ,if your true conviction matches your intention to learn and submit, then that is a good point to start the journey of learning Qoran.
At the end one has to translate Qoran for themselves by themselves,to try to understand their message from Qoran.
GOD has set up His message tailored for each individual to search/study/...to find his/her message and live by it.Or leave alone, as any other motives/intentions that are "for show off/pretence/to ridicule..." will only backfire on the individual.
GOD has not put any responsibility on anyone to explain/translate Qoran for others. If they try to do any good with Qoran , it is to their own benefit or to do any bad with it will be for their own detriment.
Yes, simple and logical way is for one to try to understand their own message to save themselves. This is for their own success and benefit.
Language problems and life trials are for all of us to deal with regardless.
GOD bless you all.
Peace.
But each individual will have to wrestle his/her own translation from the original.
No one will understand Qoran, no matter how much Arabic they know, unless they use all the tools and knowledge available to them, then seek The Creator of Qoran for guidance and help.
The crucial part is to make the initial decision to search Qoran with honesty and sincerity . Make the effort with all your heart and mind and seek GOD Alone ,if your true conviction matches your intention to learn and submit, then that is a good point to start the journey of learning Qoran.
At the end one has to translate Qoran for themselves by themselves,to try to understand their message from Qoran.
GOD has set up His message tailored for each individual to search/study/...to find his/her message and live by it.Or leave alone, as any other motives/intentions that are "for show off/pretence/to ridicule..." will only backfire on the individual.
GOD has not put any responsibility on anyone to explain/translate Qoran for others. If they try to do any good with Qoran , it is to their own benefit or to do any bad with it will be for their own detriment.
Yes, simple and logical way is for one to try to understand their own message to save themselves. This is for their own success and benefit.
Language problems and life trials are for all of us to deal with regardless.
GOD bless you all.
Peace.
#93
Christianity/Judaism/Others / Re: Manifestations of Spiritua...
Last post by Emre_1974tr - April 29, 2024, 09:17:23 PMSpeaking of spiritualism, let us reproduce the video we have prepared on the subject:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXA38GeVM6k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXA38GeVM6k
#94
Quranic Divinity / Re: The Qur'an corrects the mi...
Last post by Emre_1974tr - April 29, 2024, 08:56:05 PMQuote from: Emre_1974tr on January 12, 2024, 08:55:28 PMAs can be seen, there is no rajm (stoning), headscarf, communism, black stone, aggression/oppression, circumcision in the Qur'an, i.e. in Islam.
And there are no practices such as holy people, poverty and asceticism in the Qur'an. But these are again in the false Bible.
Islam forbids them. Holy Quran forbids these pagan beliefs and practices in the false Bible. In the same way, the holy Qur'an forbids slavery, whereas the false Bible allows slavery.
In short, it is interesting to note that today's Christians and Jews live like Muslims according to the Quran, while today's Muslims live like Christians. It is the Christians and Jews who are supposed to follow the false biblical practices such as not eating seafood, stoning, circumcision, poverty, headscarves, etc. In the Holy Qur'an, these things never exist.
#95
Questions/Comments on the Quran / Testing your Quranic Arabic
Last post by Euphoric - April 29, 2024, 06:12:37 PMKnow Arabic https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9612620.msg443711;topicseen#msg443711
Is this ayah general or specific?
أَقِمِ الصَّلَاةَ لِدُلُوكِ الشَّمْسِ إِلَىٰ غَسَقِ اللَّيْلِ وَقُرْآنَ الْفَجْرِ إِنَّ قُرْآنَ الْفَجْرِ كَانَ مَشْهُودًا
17:78
Knowing that will put this verse in its proper place.
Is this ayah general or specific?
أَقِمِ الصَّلَاةَ لِدُلُوكِ الشَّمْسِ إِلَىٰ غَسَقِ اللَّيْلِ وَقُرْآنَ الْفَجْرِ إِنَّ قُرْآنَ الْفَجْرِ كَانَ مَشْهُودًا
17:78
Knowing that will put this verse in its proper place.
#96
General Issues / Questions / Know Arabic before talking abo...
Last post by Euphoric - April 29, 2024, 05:07:56 PMThe Qur'an identifies itself being in Arabic:
"an Arabic Qur'an." 12:2, 20:113, 41:03, 42:07, 43:03
"an Arabic judgement" 13:37
"this is a speech in Arabic" 16:103
"Arabic tongue" 26:195, 46:12
Therefore, a translation is not Qu'ran.
From islamawakened website, in English, there are over 50 different translations only based off Hafs reading. Translations are the interpreters understanding and do not represent the Qur'an. Even Lane's Lexicon is an interpretation.
Again, these translations are not Qur'an.
Not knowing at least some Arabic results in getting primary and secondary school grammar wrong: differences between male vs female, singular vs dual vs plural, name vs description, general vs specific, literal vs figurative...
Basics such as these alone can lead people to having erroneous and bizarre conclusions. You do not have to be a native speaker or even fluent, but knowing at least B level should be the minimum requirement.
The Qur'an should be taken seriously. It is not a notes book where we can practice our intellectualism with weird ideas that are alien to the Arabic language.
"an Arabic Qur'an." 12:2, 20:113, 41:03, 42:07, 43:03
"an Arabic judgement" 13:37
"this is a speech in Arabic" 16:103
"Arabic tongue" 26:195, 46:12
Therefore, a translation is not Qu'ran.
From islamawakened website, in English, there are over 50 different translations only based off Hafs reading. Translations are the interpreters understanding and do not represent the Qur'an. Even Lane's Lexicon is an interpretation.
Again, these translations are not Qur'an.
Not knowing at least some Arabic results in getting primary and secondary school grammar wrong: differences between male vs female, singular vs dual vs plural, name vs description, general vs specific, literal vs figurative...
Basics such as these alone can lead people to having erroneous and bizarre conclusions. You do not have to be a native speaker or even fluent, but knowing at least B level should be the minimum requirement.
The Qur'an should be taken seriously. It is not a notes book where we can practice our intellectualism with weird ideas that are alien to the Arabic language.
#97
Salat & Zakat (The Contact & Purification) / Re: The quest of all people fo...
Last post by Emre_1974tr - April 29, 2024, 04:59:15 PMQuote from: Emre_1974tr on April 29, 2024, 05:05:20 AMSpeaking of narcissistic energy vampires, let's remember the subject:
https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9612021.0
And, These perverted satanic narcissists will try to hinder you and lure you into their evil with their cries. But terrible disasters await these oppressors both in this world and in the Hereafter.
#98
Questions/Comments on the Quran / Re: A debate between Islamic M...
Last post by Bajram Hoxhaj - April 29, 2024, 03:03:16 PMDr. Javad destroyed him in 23 minutes, to which he refused to respond and changed the topic introducing red herrings debating "others."
They are the most ignorant, akin to many on this website who post nonsensical thoughts without comprehension.
They are the most ignorant, akin to many on this website who post nonsensical thoughts without comprehension.
#99
Questions/Comments on the Quran / Re: A debate between Islamic M...
Last post by centi50 - April 29, 2024, 01:18:59 PMQuote from: Wakas on April 29, 2024, 10:32:10 AMI watched it a while ago. Some decent points here and there.
He was mentioned before here:
https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9611019.msg441456#msg441456
Salam wakaa,
In another video he said we Quran can not be understood without exterior sources like Islamic history books. In this clip @1m 27 seconds he says you can't understand the Quran on its own it's own terms
He seems confused also
God bless you
#100
Salat & Zakat (The Contact & Purification) / Re: The quest of all people fo...
Last post by Bajram Hoxhaj - April 29, 2024, 11:17:38 AMQuote from: Emre_1974tr on April 29, 2024, 05:05:20 AMSpeaking of narcissistic
Narcissistic Traits:
• Dominating conversations
• Arrogant behaviors and attitudes
• Constantly seeking attention and admiration
You keep seeking attention.
You keep refusing to answer.
You keep describing yourself.
You keep re-quoting yourself.
You keep posting contradictions.
You keep spreading lies about the Qur'an.
You keep doing this knowingly after it has been made clear to you.
No matter how much salaat you offer, it is voided by spreading lies (spamming), especially concerning inheritance, where you are robbing orphans and their mothers, which has dire consequences.
4:10
indeed, the ones eating wealth the orphans wrongfully
solely eating in interior (belly) theirs' fire of
and shall burning blaze of
6:21 6:93 6:144 7:37 10:17
who wrongs than who fabricates about الله lie of
29:68
and who wrongs than who fabricates about الله lie of
or denies in the truth to what came him
is not in abyss lodgment for the rejecters?