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Europe / Re: Anyone from Germany here ?
« Last post by imrankhawaja on Today at 07:36:23 PM »

salam sajda,

sorry to hear about your experience.
get well soon.

blessing in the name of God.
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Christianity/Judaism/Others / Re: nontrinitarian christian links1
« Last post by antitarzan on Today at 11:16:52 AM »
ISLAMIC JESUS 4:
https://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Arabia-Christ-through-Eastern/dp/1538109441/
https://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Through-Middle-Eastern-Eyes/dp/0830825681/
https://www.amazon.com/Finding-Jesus-among-Muslims-Catholic/dp/0814645925/
https://www.amazon.com/Messiah-True-Hero-Israel-according/dp/198035782X/ ????
https://www.amazon.com/Search-Jesus-Insider-Outsider-Images/dp/0826449166/
https://www.amazon.com/Was-Jesus-Muslim-Questioning-Categories/dp/080066325X/
https://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Jihad-Reclaiming-Christianity-2015-06-22/dp/B01FIZI77E/
https://www.amazon.com/Jesus-One-Faiths-Expanded-Second/dp/1937937070/
https://www.amazon.com/Two-Messiahs-Jesus-Christianity-Islam/dp/083085777X/
https://www.amazon.com/Between-Allah-Jesus-Christians-Muslims-ebook/dp/B003AU5XBI/
https://www.amazon.com/City-Wrong-Jerusalem-Mystical-Classics/dp/1851680721/
https://www.amazon.com/More-Than-Prophet-Insiders-Christianity/dp/0825424011/
https://www.amazon.com/Truth-About-Islam-Jesus/dp/0736925023/
https://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Muhammad-Differences-Surprising-Similarities/dp/1591852919/
https://www.amazon.com/Father-Jesus-God-Muhammad/dp/0310247489/
https://www.amazon.com/Teachings-Jesus-Muhammad-Mateen-Elass/dp/1618433105/
https://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Muhammad-Steven-Masood/dp/1624199380/
http://stevenmasood.org/jesus-and-indian-messiah
https://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Islam-Douglas-Jacoby/dp/0981737374/
https://ipibooks.ecwid.com/#!/Jesus-and-Islam/p/64183331
https://www.amazon.com/Islam-Son-God-Daniel-Shayesteh/dp/0975601733/
https://www.amazon.com/Difference-Son-Daniel-Shayesteh/dp/0975601717/
http://exodusfromdarkness.org/hikashop-menu-for-products-listing/islam-and-the-son-of-god.html
http://davidsonpress.com/companystore/index.htm#1891833545
https://www.amazon.com/Messiah-Gospels-James-Appel-MD/dp/1482045613/
https://www.amazon.com/Stepping-Stones-Eternity-Don-McCurry/dp/1935843168/
http://mtmbooks.com/product.php?p=sse
https://www.amazon.com/Who-This-Jesus-Prophet-Teacher/dp/0852347189/
http://www.word-of-hope.net/product/who-is-this-jesus/
http://www.word-of-hope.net/product-category/booklets
https://www.barnabasfund.org/en/shop/product/is-the-muslim-isa-the-biblical-jesus
https://www.amazon.com/Who-Real-Jesus-Uncovering-truth/dp/098252188X/
https://www.barnabasfund.org/en/shop/product/who-is-the-real-jesus
https://www.christianbook.com/really-teaches-prophet-allah-savior-world/james-walker/9780736973830/pd/973830?event=EBRN
https://www.christianbook.com/getting-jesus-right-muslims-islam-wrong/craig-evans/9781927355459/pd/355459?event=EBRN 
https://www.christianbook.com/which-jesus-holy-spirit-christianity-islam/mark-durie/9780987469144/pd/469144?event=EBRN
https://www.christianbook.com/concepts-messiah-messianic-islam-judaism-christianity/yehoiakin-yaocov/9781449757441/pd/757441?event=AAI
https://www.christianbook.com/qurans-rejection-jesus-christ-lord-savior/william-lamptey/9781498426039/pd/426039?event=EBRN
https://www.christianbook.com/muslims-christians-gaining-understanding-building-relationships/carl-medearis/9780764205675/pd/205675?event=ESRCG
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Christianity/Judaism/Others / Re: nontrinitarian christian links1
« Last post by antitarzan on Today at 05:45:41 AM »
ISLAMIC JESUS 3:
https://www.amazon.com/Quranic-Jesus-Interpretation-Christianity-Transformation/dp/3110597640/
https://www.amazon.com/Jesus-prophet-Christianity-Islam-interfaith/dp/8172143524
https://www.booksmela.com/jesus-as-prophet-in-christianity-and-islam-a-model-for-interfaith-dialogue-chellaian-lawrence-8172143524-9788172143527
https://www.amazon.com/Who-Was-Jesus-Conspiracy-Paperbacks/dp/1845113144/
https://www.quranite.com/wp-content/uploads/Who-Was-Jesus.pdf
https://www.amazon.com/Love-Jesus-Mary-Islam-Islamophobists/dp/1480081035/
https://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Son-Mary-According-Teachings/dp/1887752811/
https://www.amazon.com/Blessed-Virgin-Islam-Aliah-Schleifer/dp/1887752021/
https://www.amazon.com/Blessed-Virgin-Mary-Ashki-Book/dp/1879708043/
https://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Islamic-Mystic-Tradition-Sufism/dp/1533579687/
https://www.amazon.com/Chosen-among-Women-Medieval-Christianity/dp/0268042314/
https://www.amazon.com/Sharing-Mary-Bible-Quran-Side/dp/1451583133/
https://www.amazon.com/Story-Mary-Jesus-Quran-Reprinted/dp/0915957248/
https://www.amazon.com/Mary-Quran-Literary-Reading-Routledge/dp/1138282480/
https://www.amazon.com/Mary-interlinear-commentary-Su%C3%8C%C2%82rat-interpretation/dp/0965074684/
https://www.amazon.com/Maryam-Tafasir-QurAnic-Exegesis-Arabic/dp/0882062107/
https://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Through-Quran-Shiite-Narrations/dp/1879402149/ 
https://www.amazon.com/Jesus-through-Shiite-Narrations-Muntazir/dp/9644386094/
https://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Quran-His-Reality-Expounded/dp/1889999091/
https://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Quran-Secrets-Swoon-Theory/dp/1508690405/
https://www.amazon.com/Christianity-Islam-Orientalism-Faruk-Zein/dp/0863569641/
https://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Warrior-Apostle-Akhtar-Sherazi/dp/1426933711/
https://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Christ-Mary-Quranic-Islamic-Perspective/dp/3898215857/
https://www.amazon.com/Christ-Jesus-Son-Mary-Perspective/dp/0977300927/
http://www.islamicbookstore.com/b10810.html
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Peace reel.
This style seems familiar ,quote:

I was a former Salafi who was blindly following the "leaders" of the "religion" in Saudi Arabia. Until one day i started reading the Quran and the Previous Scriptures such as the Gospel, the Psalms and the Tora.
That's when my eyes opened. And that's when i started seeing that these neo-religious ones are just mixing their own fabricated doctrines with the Books of God.
I rather study the Word on my own by asking God to Teach it to me.
Do you know how to read the moon and the sun? And there is not such a thing as an "Eid" after Ramadaan. And the Ramadaan they now follow isn't even in sync with the real calendar because a month can't travel trough the year.
They have to use the sun as well. The moon can give us accurate timings. But if we don't use the sun as well. Then we will not follow a synced calendar.

A past member who was promoting  the Quran and the Previous Scriptures such as the Gospel, the Psalms and the Tora?

You can deduce who this member might be, but  of course one needs evidence to be sure.

Yes, I was able to recognize him  :D



As for being alerted, we should not worry about motives or intentions of others if we seek the truth. We trust in GOD Alone and persevere regardless. GOD is very much aware of falsehood and its followers and the truth and its followers. GOD sorts out everything and witnesses all things.
GOD is the truth, GOD has the truth, followers of the truth will prevail, eventually,
GOD bless you.
Peace.

You always bring relaxation with your comments  :handshake:

Pray for our subreddit members also.

that's quite overly dramatized.

But it's ironic how he wants to be a "peaceful" man and puts little effort in becoming one, thinking devoting his time to quran makes him better than everyone else, gathering some knowledge by which he intends to win online battles with, while the soul remains unchanged, ugly.

"Oh holy asininity! holy ignorance!
Holy foolishness and pious devotion!
You who alone do more to advance and make souls good
Than human ingenuity and study..."

If you just notice, Quran followers have certain characteristics not found in other groups. It is very easy to detect one directly from his speech even if he is new.

I do wonder whether  one can follow Quran without changing the soul. The separation between the two seems to be like going "back to square one".

O you who have believed, avoid much assumption. Indeed, some assumption is sin.And do not spy or backbite each other. Would one of you like to eat the flesh of his brother when dead? You would detest it. And fear Allah ; indeed, Allah is Accepting of repentance and Merciful. 49:12

God gives us the right to investigate in case of danger. By the way, this is not spying or backbiting. The post is on a forum which can be accessed just by anyone.


Note:

O you who have believed, be persistently standing firm in justice, witnesses for Allah , even if it be against yourselves or parents and relatives. Whether one is rich or poor, Allah is more worthy of both. So follow not inclination, lest you not be just. And if you distort or refuse, then indeed Allah is ever, with what you do, Acquainted.4:135

Lesson: We are to be Muslim.
 
O you who believe! If comes to you a wicked person with information, investigate, lest you harm a people in ignorance, then you become, over what you have done, regretful.49:6

Lesson: Our members don't deserve to be dehumanized.

And when comes to them a matter of the security or fear they spread it. But if they (had) referred it to the Messenger and to those having authority among them, surely would have known it those who draw correct conclusion from it among them. And if not had been the bounty of Allah on you and His Mercy, surely you would have followed the Shaitaan except a few.4:83

Lesson: I ain't gonna do a single thing about the user unless a pattern is established through reference.



He sounds like a troll, just ban him (and possibly delete his content).


He does sound like one.







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While i shall wait for answers, i think i should the entire chapter (It's only 17 verses) in arabic text because i am very hesitant to show the translation.
Hopefully those who are experts in the Quranic Arabic.


Here are the verses:

86:1 والسماء والطارق
Waalssama-i waalttariqi

86:2 وما ادرىاك ما الطارق
Wama adraka ma alttariqu

86:3 النجم الثاقب
Alnnajmu alththaqibu

86:4 ان كل نفس لما عليها حافظ
In kullu nafsin lamma AAalayha hafithun

86:5 فلينظر الانسان مم خلق
Falyanthuri al-insanumimma khuliqa

86:6 خلق من ماء دافق
Khuliqa min ma-in dafiqin

86:7 يخرج من بين الصلب والترائب
Yakhruju min bayni alssulbi waalttara-ibi

86:8 انه علىا رجعه لقادر
Innahu AAala rajAAihi laqadirun

86:9 يوم تبلى السرائر
Yawma tubla alssara-iru

86:10 فما له من قوة ولا ناصر
Fama lahu min quwwatin wala nasirin

86:11 والسماء ذات الرجع
Waalssama-i thati alrrajAAi

86:12 والارض ذات الصدع
Waal-ardi thati alssadAAi

86:13 انه لقول فصل
Innahu laqawlun faslun

86:14 وما هو بالهزل
Wama huwa bialhazli

86:15 انهم يكيدون كيدا
Innahum yakeedoona kaydan

86:16 واكيد كيدا
Waakeedu kaydan

86:17 فمهل الكافرين امهلهم رويدا
Famahhili alkafireena amhilhum ruwaydan


Hopefully someone with great knowledge in Arabic would come and give a good answer for everyone. Salam/Peace & Allah/God (SWTAY) bless you.
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Christianity/Judaism/Others / Re: nontrinitarian christian links1
« Last post by antitarzan on Yesterday at 10:16:47 PM »
ISLAMIC JESUS 2:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Images-Jesus-Christ-Islam-2nd/dp/1441181601/
https://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Quran-Makers-Muslim-World/dp/1851689990/
https://www.amazon.com/Christ-Islam-Christianity-Representation-Commentaries/dp/0791405591/
https://www.amazon.com/Mission-Death-Jesus-Islam-Christianity/dp/1532636407/
https://www.amazon.com/Crucifixion-Quran-History-Muslim-Thought/dp/1851686355/
http://toddlawson.ca/pdf/lawson_crucifixion_quran.pdf
https://www.amazon.in/Jesus-Muslim-Christian-Conversation-Mark-Beaumont/dp/1532613563/
https://www.amazon.in/Christology-Dialogue-Muslims-Christian-Presentations/dp/1610975936/
https://www.amazon.in/Al-radd-Al-jamil-Fitting-Refutation-Divinity/dp/9004321535/
https://www.amazon.in/Jesus-Cross-Reflections-Christians-Theological-ebook/dp/B075Z842P7/
https://www.amazon.in/Jesus-Resurrection-Reflections-Christians-Contexts-ebook/dp/B075Z64QSM/
https://www.amazon.in/Jesus-Incarnation-Reflections-Christians-Contexts-ebook/dp/B075Z3VSC6/
https://www.amazon.com/Muhammads-Jesus-Quran-Parallels-non-Biblical/dp/1508822816/
https://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Muslim-Exploration-Kenneth-Cragg/dp/1851681809/
https://www.amazon.com/Christ-faiths-Kenneth-Cragg/dp/0664250009/
https://www.amazon.com/Prophet-Messiah-Christians-Perspective-Christianity/dp/0830823158/
http://hmiindia.org/books/
https://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Messiah-Thought-Olaf-Schumann/dp/B003FCRNAU/
https://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Verses-Quran-Karel-Steenbrink/dp/9374953943/
https://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Worlds-Faiths-Thinkers-Religions/dp/1570755736/
https://www.amazon.com/Muslim-Christ-Koran-about-Jesus/dp/1523726628/
https://www.amazon.com/Muhammad-Jesus-Comparison-Bloomsbury-Collections/dp/0826412076/
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Europe / Re: Anyone from Germany here ?
« Last post by es on Yesterday at 05:14:58 PM »
Hello everyone,

Thank you very much for your lovely messages.  God bless you all.

I am going to be out of action for quite a while which is proving to be quite difficult! However, it does give me a bit of time for a long awaited project involving further Qur'anic study which I was planning to fit in around work anyway. I presume it will be a far more productive initiative now that I'm a lady of leisure!

This experience has certainly given me an insight into what wheelchair users have to go through, and I don't relish the thought of travelling to Germany like this!

Anyway, let's see what time brings.

Peace, and thank you once again.

Sajda.
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Questions/Comments on the Quran / Re: 2:98: Who is Michael
« Last post by Jafar on Yesterday at 11:44:59 AM »
I would not prefer to have my first post here dwelling on a very specific concept in the Quran. Instead,  I would want to tell my views regarding the overall message of the Quran. However, this issue is really boggling my mind
: I want to know who Michael is(verse 2:97-98) and how we can ever avoid being an enemy to him unless we know who he is. And I think we should be able to do that from Quran only.

I share the same confusion with you.
As for me I find it illogical for the true God, who are all knowing thus in control over everything to have an enemy.

Yet by studying ancient history, I found it common for ancient people to see it in such way, given they believe that their deity is a kind of human king, who faced rebellion and make war against their enemy. Some story even suggest that some God are infact warring with each others.

Within Israelites tradition, Mikael along with Gabriel are names for Malakh, Hebrew word for messenger.
Gabriel, Mikael, Uriel and Raphael is in the top hieararchy of Malakh, within Israelites tradition.
More detail here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angels_in_Judaism

I haven't met Mr. Mikael, so I don't know who he (or she) is, his friends, his hangout place or his enemies that he is warring against.
If I did I will gladly answer your questions.

But somebody claimed that she does.
Her name is Lorna Byrne, an Irish woman who claimed to be capable of seeing angels and have met on many occasion with Mikael the angel.
You can google her name, as she is quite famous.
She is also quite friendly, so perhaps she could answer your further inquiries regarding Mr. Mikael the angel.

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