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Parenting & Children / Re: question from all ?
« Last post by Jafar on Today at 09:13:24 AM »
HUMAN killings
INDEED he was a murderer and also a fugitive  :rotfl: before prophethood and in the end he manage to save hundreds of slaves too..  i feel he did it well in the end..  ;)

IF we believe the exodus legend is all truth and really happened.
Even after "prophethood" Moses did caused the death and drowning of hundreds (if not thousands) of Pharaoh's troops isn't he?
And he also ordered the mass murder of israelites who worshiped golden calf.

Not a 'good' man, with today's moral standard..
Yet the books seem to justify the murderous Moses by calling the victims as 'wrong - doers'.

Pharaoh troops are only following orders, as any troops supposed to do.
The golden calf worshiper might be stupid, yet so does the black stone kisser of today.
But do they really deserves to be murdered for their stupidity??
With today's moral standard the answer is NO

dhul-qarnain also had a license of mass murdering on his choice..

DAVID killed golliath====> who was (villan for innocents)
solomon planned to killed a hippo or a general named as hippo who was absent from council meeeting..
( imagine if our boss planned to slay us due to absence) lol.. 

Correct.. there are many brutalities found within the (so-called) holy books..
If we're using today's moral standard.

BOLD soldiers are obeying their orders its their DUTY so the one who command/generate that order will be the KILLER..

Correct, just like Pharaoh's troop...

indeed shit happens and the only thing comes in mind the reincarnation concept... but still confusing..

how one recover from it in the FRESH life..? his timeline started from the senses he adopt from new life..

whats about mass murderers like hitler/halako/ganghes also some heroes from muslim tradition omar/khalid/yazid how can they recover ?. let say one life for one death so do they have to reincarnate millions times for fixing their sins ? thats the point what make me confuse about reincarnation...

The actual mechanism, if reincarnation is true, is still a mystery.
There are also those who has experienced that their 'past' life is not in the 'past' but in the 'future'.
Looks like time is actually not flowing sequentially as we perceived normally in 'this' life.

But if you asked me, what should be the proper way for 'mass murderer' to 'recover'; It is to experience of becoming the victims of the murder.

I have a nephew who often abused his own (little) brother.
I 'educate' him by performing the same abuse to him, thus he will understand what does it feel like to be his brother. I then ask him the following questions: "How do you feel being treated as such?" "Do you like it?" "What you are feeling now is what your little brother feel when you abuse him".
The objective is NOT to punish or avenge but to make him learn from the experience, trying to build his empathy... see and feel it from the 'opposite' side...

Let Moses become the Pharaoh now (or the pharaoh's troop or the golden calf worshiper), and see how well he 'perform' with such different context..

yeh i received a link from one of my frd in PM i will do it in a free time i am really interested and i think i will spend lot of my future time on this concept called reincarnation... as i feeling it from heart to go and find out by myself..

i also have one type of phobia i.e color of blood i mean not RED color in general just the color of blood...
(but when i see blood i get fainted and sick and its a problem since i was kid) cant even see in movies when i already knew its fake blood .. in my early teen when i  used to see any accident in which blood color is there i found myself thinking bout it for many days ..

You're right brother.. try it, seek it and share your experience.. for others to learn..
Questions/Comments on the Quran / Re: Ayah Of The Day
« Last post by Mazhar on Today at 08:32:00 AM »
ٱلْحَمْدُ لِلَّهِ رَبِّ ٱلْعَٟلَمِيـنَ

Up to Chapter 67 uploaded.

Just one last segment-part from 68-114 remains.
Besides , if GOD wanted to talk about our possession the Arabic expression is "Ma Malaktum" not "Ma Malakat Aymanukum"!!


So, Aymanukum, the one who has the possession is not us. It is a social duty i.e "What we are responsible for".

In simpler term, What you are responsible for is a duty towards others that serve your cause and you serve their cause as guardian or spouse or workers or .
I would call them "rules" of helping people to coexist/live in harmony.
For example, are we saying our children are our possession?

GOD bless.
Questions/Comments on the Quran / Re: An Critic on Qur'anic Ayats
« Last post by The Sardar on Today at 07:08:06 AM »
Google search bar   :peace:
I did what you said, i google seas don't mix and many of them claim to "refute" but here is something i noticed.

The word yamm came into my mind since yamm means in it's root word:

Ya-Miim-Miim = sea, river, flood. To aim at getting, to intend, go towards, to have recourse to, to resort to, to head for, to be thrown in the river, purpose a thing, clean with dust or pure earth.

yamm n.m. 7:136, 20:39, 20:39, 20:78, 20:97, 28:7, 28:40, 51:40

tayammama vb. (5) impf. act. 2:267
impv. 4:43, 5:6

Lane's Lexicon, Volume 8, page: 318  ##

Plus Allah (SWTAY) said he MARAJA(مرج) the bahrayni (لبحرين) meaning he mixed or merge the 2 bahr and he did say that he placed a barrier between where they do not TRANSGRESS, he didnt say that the don't mix, he just simply said only not TRANSGRESS.
Questions/Comments on the Quran / Re: An Critic on Qur'anic Ayats
« Last post by The Sardar on Today at 06:44:32 AM »
Here is something from a another forum about the two bahr which that article is referring to:

Salam/Peace, sorry to wake up an old forum but i think we should research to word Bahr and Maraja. Honestly, i am not 100% sure if Bahr is really sea in 55:19-20, 25:53, 27:61, 35:12. Plus Allah (SWTAY) said: He MARAJA (مرج) the bahrayni/لبحرين (dual), we need the check the root words, especially the root word definition:

Ba-Ha-Ra (ب ح ر) =

Slit, cut, divide lengthwise, split, enlarge or make wide
A vast expanse of water (Ocean, sea, huge river)
A fleet swift horse called because of its speed like the rolling of the waves in the sea
A generous man who is ample in his generosity
Wide tract of land, land belonging to or inhabited by people
Any town, village or city that has a running river or a body of water
Low or depressed land
A large meadow or garden
A place where water stagnates
Seaman, sailor
"Bahira" (a camel dedicated to idols, 5:103)?

bahr n.m. (pl. bihar abhur) 2:50, 2:164, 5:96, 6:59, 6:63, 6:97, 7:138, 7:163, 10:22, 10:90, 14:32, 16:14, 17:66, 17:67, 17:70, 18:60, 18:61, 18:63, 18:79, 18:109, 18:109, 20:77, 22:65, 24:40, 25:53, 26:63, 27:61, 27:63, 30:41, 31:27, 31:27, 31:31, 35:12, 42:32, 44:24, 45:12, 52:6, 55:19, 55:24, 81:6, 82:3

bahirah n. 5:103

LL, V1, p: 193, 194  ##

Miim-Ra-Jiim (م ر ج) = pasture, maraja = mixed (one thing with another), flow & flow freely (as separate entities), set forth, mariija = marred/spoiled/corrupted/impaired/disturbed/unsteady/confused.

maraja vb. (1)
perf. act. 25:53, 55:19

marij n.m. 55:15

marij n.m. 50:5

marjan n.m. 55:22, 55:58

LL, V7, p: 232  ##

Interestingly, Musa mentioned AL-BAHRAYANI in 18:60

18:60 واذ قال موسىا لفتىاه لا ابرح حتىا ابلغ مجمع البحرين او امضى حقبا
Wa-ith qala moosa lifatahula abrahu hatta ablugha majmaAAa albahrayniaw amdiya huquban
And Moses said to his youth: "I will not stop until I reach the junction of the bahrayni, or I spend a lifetime trying."

Also the words involving the bahryani verses is AAathbun (عذب), furâtun (فرات), milHun (اجاج), ujâjun (اجاج) and hâdhâ (هاذا):

AAathbun (عذب)

Ayn-Thal-Ba = chastisement, castigate, punishment, torture, torment, retribution, abstain/desist (e.g. from eating due to excessive thirst), relinquish, quit. To deny a thing, hinder anyone from, be inaccessible, prevent.
adhb - palatable, sweet (usually water), e.g. 25:53, 35:12.

'Adhbun (n.): Sweet, Agreeable to taste.
'Adhaba (prf. 3rd. m. sing. II): He punished.
'Adhabnaa (prf. 1st. plu. II): We punished.
Yu'adhdhibu (imp. 3rd. m. sing. II): He will punish, punishes.
Li Yu'dhdhiba (imp. 3rd. m. sing. II. el.): That he may punish.
Laa Yu'adhdhab: None shall execute (his) punishment.
Tu'adhdhibu (imp. 2nd. m. sing. II.): Thou punish.
'Au'adhdhibu (imp. 1st. sing II): I punish.
U'adhdhibanna (imp. 1st. sing. imp.): I will certainly punish.
Nu'dhdhibu (imp. 1st. plu. II): We punish.
Mu'adhdhibun (ap-der. m. sing.): Treat with punishment; Going to punish.
Mu'dhdiribuuna (ap-der. m. plu. acc.): Giver of punishment.
Mu'adhdhibuu (ap-der. m. plu. final Nun dropped; nom.): Chastiser.
Mu'adhdhabiina (pis. plc. m. plu. acc.): Those who are punished.
'Adhaabun (n.): Punishment; Torment; Chastisement.

Furâtun (فرات):

Fa-Ra-Ta = to be sweet (water), thirst quenching, The Euphrate/Tigris.

furat n.m. 25:53, 35:12, 77:27

LL, V6, p: 142  ##

MilHun (اجاج):

Miim-Lam-Ha = To suckle or give suck, to be saltish or bitter, to become fat, to be goodly/beautiful/pretty, pleasing to the eye or ear, inclining to gray or whiteness, adopt one as a foster brother.

milh n. com. 25:53, 35:12

LL, V7, p: 259, 260, 261, 262  ##

Ujâjun (اجاج):

Alif-Jiim-Lam = assigned/appointed/specified/decreed term, period, day of resurrection, period between creation and death, period between death and resurrection, period remaining in the world, delay/postponed/deferral of time.

ajlun (par.): reason.
ajal (n.): an appointed time.
ajalain (dual): two terms.
ajjalta (perf. 2nd. m. sing.): thou has appointed.
ujjilat (pp. 3rd. f. sing.): has been fixed (term).
mu'jjalun (pis-pic): fixed term.

ajal n.m. 2:231, 2:232, 2:234, 2:235, 2:282, 2:282, 4:77, 6:2, 6:2, 6:60, 6:128, 7:34, 7:34, 7:135, 7:185, 10:11, 10:49, 10:49, 11:3, 11:104, 13:2, 13:38, 14:10, 14:44, 15:5, 16:61, 16:61, 17:99, 20:129, 22:5, 22:33, 23:43, 28:28, 28:29, 29:5, 29:53, 30:8, 31:29, 35:13, 35:45, 39:5, 39:42, 40:67, 42:14, 46:3, 63:10, 63:11, 65:2, 65:4, 71:4, 71:4

ajl n.m. 5:32

ajjala vb. (2)
perf. act. 6:128
perf. pass. 77:12
pcple. pass. 3:145

Lane's Lexicon, Volume 1, pages: 61, 62, 63  ##

Now i couldn't find hâdhâ (هاذا) in PRL so maybe brother Wakas could help out on this.

Is anyone here have any scientific knowledge can give us any information on any vast expanse of water involving with salty and bitter and palatable and sweet?
Questions/Comments on the Quran / Re: An Critic on Qur'anic Ayats
« Last post by The Sardar on Today at 06:38:24 AM »
Well the thing i don't know what to type......i know, it sounds a bit dumb since i am not that smart. :(
General Issues / Questions / Re: Those their right hands possess verses
« Last post by huruf on Today at 06:27:37 AM »
This possession things seems indeed to be a demoniacal possession in deed.

If the Qur'an meant possession, why bother to Go into the trouble and tangle of right hands or left hands, why not leave at malaka, that would be sufficient possession all right.

Those who see in the expression ma malakat ayman... seem to be the ones possessed by demons, their own demons.

Right hands, right hands... Who is somebody related to the right hand as opposed to mere mulk or left hand?

Mamalakat aymanukum is those to whom you are a benefactor, mamalakat aymanuhum it is those to hum they are a benefactor.

Devil possession is an evil condition and I doubt that the devil has any right hand which could be of benefit for anyone.

Beware of the obssession wiht possession.

General Issues / Questions / Re: Those their right hands possess verses
« Last post by Cerberus on Today at 04:40:13 AM »
My understanding of the Quran as a book is that it had a purpose, not to abolish slavery directly or create some sort of cultural reform in Arabia but to remind people of what is essential in life. And to do that in a manner that they could understand best and fits their norms. Though their norms when you look at them from today's perspective seem ridiculous because we have evolved.

Therefore Quran in my opinion does contain elements of the culture of Arabia of the 7th century. Including patriarchal elements and violent elements.
It addresses things that were once the norm of the people the quran was revealed to, so nothing surprising here. But the core of the message can still be grasped if we abstract it away from these details. With philosophy.

As for the first part of your post I agree, I do believe we are divine beings, the sexes are for the bodies that is going to decompose in this earth, like every other creature.
How can you imagine ~continuous 60 days of starvation(day time+Fajr) as punishment/compensation for carelessness?( i.e. for killing a believer by mistake/by accident/without any intention. -4:92)

He would already be in deep distress for what happened to his companion by his hand.
sorry..Error again
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