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##### Submitters / Code 19 / Apollo 11: Very Many New Signs...
Last post by ZeZe - Today at 05:05:52 PM
Salam brothers and sisters!

I was a bit curious about chapter 54, Apollo 11 and #19 miracle, and I decided to do some research to see if I could find some signs that people have missed, and boy did I find some things

I managed to gather ca 37 Signs, and there's more but I became tired of all the counting and checking  Anyways, thought I'd share these discoveries with you, enjoy :

The Signs/Mirales:

-  Verse 74:35 that says "This is one of the greatest [miracles]": 7+4+3+5 = 19!

- The word "al-Qamar" which means "The Moon" in 54:1 is the 19th instance of the phrase "al-Qamar" in the whole Quran (out of 26 occurrences).

- Lunar Module, had a mass of 15,103 kilograms (or 33,328 pounds): 1+5+1+3 (the kilograms) = 19! Also: 3+3+3+2+8 (the pounds) = 19! (Source: NASA).

- Apollo 11 was launched by a Saturn V rocket from Kennedy Space Center on Merritt Island, Florida, on July 16 at 13:32 UTC: 13-32 = 19! (Source: Wiki).

- A separation maneuver was commenced at 18:11:53 UT - 1+8+1+1+5+3 = 19! (Source: NASA).

- The LM descent engine fired for 30 seconds at 19:08 UT - 19 - 8 = 11 - 30 = 19! Or 19+8 = 27 + 30 = 57 / 19 = 3 (Source: NASA).

- Also: (the same numbers from above): 1981130 / 19 = 104 270.

- Apollo 11 entered lunar orbit on July 19th! (Source: Nasa).

- They put the craft into a descent orbit with a closest approach 14.5 km above the Moon's surface. 14+5 = 19! (Source: NASA).

- After docking with the CSM, piloted by Michael Collins, at 21:34:00 UT, the LM was jettisoned into lunar orbit at 00:01:01 UT on 22 July: 21+34 = 55 + 1 + 1 = 57 / 19 = 3. (Source: Nasa).

- The lunar module landed on 7/20/1969 - 7201969 / 19 = 379051 (Source: NASA).

- They landed in the region known as Mare Tranquilities at 0.67416 degrees N latitude, 23.47314 degrees E longitude: 6+7+4+1+6 = 24. Also: 2+3+4+7+3+1+4 = 24! Although this isn't a special number, it still proves that it all was planned by God. Chances of this happening are none. There's a God who decided this! (Source: Nasa).

- Landing Site Details: The landing site was about 19 kilometers southwest of the crater Sabine D in the Sea of Tranquility (Source: Wiki).

- Armstrong stepped onto the lunar surface at 02:56:15 UT = 2+5+6+1+5 = 19 (Source: NASA).

- Armstrong's first step was at 2:56min UTC: 2-56 = 54! The Quran Chapter 54 called "The Moon."

- Aldrin followed 19 minutes later (Source: NASA).

- They collected 21 rocks the following day, the 21st, the prophecy (the moon dug) came to pass 21/07/1969. We get 21071969 / 19 = 1109051.

- They collected 21.55 kg of lunar rock and soil: 21+55 = 76 / 19 = 4 (Source: NASA).

- Aldrin returned to the LM first, after 1 hour 41 minutes: 60(min) - 41(min) = 19! (Source: NASA).

- Armstrong followed about 12 minutes later, at 05:09:32 UT: 5+9+3+2 = 19! (Source: NASA).

- They left the lunar surface 54th min 01st sec: This is "The Moon" chapter in the Quran, Chapter 54 and the 1st verse is the fulfillment of the prophecy.

- 54 + 1 (lift off time & Quran Chapter) + 21 (the day & the rocks) + 7 (month) + 1969 (year) = 2052 or 19 x 108.

- And also 19 and 108: 1+9+1+8 = 19!

- The total time on the moon was 21 hours, 36 minutes: 21+36 = 57 / 19 = 3 (Source: Nasa).

- 54+1 (Chapter + verse) = 55 + 21 (the hours / the date / the # of rocks) = 76 / 19 = 4 (Source: Nasa).

- They left the moon at this exact time; 17:54:01: 17+54+1 = 72, the Quran Chapter where the messenger who reveals this numeric miracle is prophesied (verses 25-28). Also: Verses 25+28 = 53 - 72 = -19.

- The splashdown point was 13 deg 19 min N, 169 deg 9 min W: 1699-1319 = 380 / 19 = 20. (Source: Nasa).

- Return date: 07/24/1969: 7+2+4+1+9+6+9 = 38 / 19 = 2 (Source: Nasa).

- The dry mass of the ascent stage was 2445 kg and it held 2376 kg of propellant: 45-24 = 21 and 76-23 = 53 + 21 = 74, and 53 - 21 = 32, both of them = 74:32, Quran verse saying:

"Nay, by the Moon" (The Quran 74:32). (Source: Nasa).

- The descent stage dry mass (including stowed surface equipment) was 2034 kg and 8248 kg of propellant were onboard initially: 20+34 = 54 (chapter 54 "The Moon"), and 82+48 = 130 - 54 = 76 / 19 = 4. (Source: Nasa).

- The variation in orbit distance for the Command Module was 122.4 km (aposelene) and 100.9 km (periselene). Summing the digits: 1+9 = 10, 1+2+2+4 = 9 = 19! (Source: Wiki).

- The ascent stage was an irregularly shaped unit approximately 2.8 m high and 4.0 by 4.3 meters in width mounted on top of the descent stage. The ascent stage housed the astronauts in a pressurized crew compartment with a volume of 6.65 cubic meters: 2+8+4+4+3+6+6+5 = 38 / 19 = 2. (Source: Nasa).

- About 5 hours before local lunar sunset at 10:58:46 UT on 3 August 1969 transmission was stopped by ground command when the power began to drop as predicted: 15846 / 19 = 834. (Source: Nasa).

- NASA and the University of Texas, Dallas have digitized 19 thousand hours of recordings from the historic Apollo 11 mission (Source: NBC news)

- There are 4845 verses, from the beginning of the Quran to verse [54:1] and 4845 = 19 x 255.

- Apollo 11 launched from Cape Kennedy on July 16, 1969, carrying Commander Neil Armstrong, Command Module Pilot Michael Collins and Lunar Module Pilot Edwin "Buzz" Aldrin into an initial Earth-orbit of 114 by 116 miles. = 114 x 116 = 13 224 / 19 = 696. (Source)

- Two hours, 44 minutes and one-and-a-half revolutions after launch, the S-IVB stage reignited for a second burn of five minutes = 120-44 = 76 / 19 = 4 (Source)
#2
##### Questions/Comments on the Quran / Re: GOD s revelation V Men s...
Last post by Fusion - Today at 02:58:02 AM
Quote from: Bajram Hoxhaj on June 06, 2024, 07:51:47 PMSalaam,

Some are minor, others are major. See the video posted earlier on the chain of transmitters. You can't have seven or more permutations of 1,000 words, as they don't make sense in context, contradict basic language rules, or show inconsistencies (e.g., lost/won the Romans, wipes/wash the feet, missing words, etc.), and claim all are correct because it was revealed that way.

Do we have a refernce artifact compiled that actually shows all of the differences (the major ones as you mentioned there are) to be able to know if those actually changed the understanding of the underlying verses to an extent that merely is no more to be overlooked? I understand the minor changes examples quoted in this thread for example Qul or Qaal or yalamoon but to me these are not changing the intent of the verse.
It would be nice to have all those major changes compiled and listed.

thank you
#3
##### Questions/Comments on the Quran / Re: Recommended books on Quran...
Last post by Mazhar - Today at 01:02:55 AM
Divine Communication (وَحْـىٚ) of guidance (هُدٙى):

The Covenant to Grand Qur'ān

ٱلْـكَـوْثَرَ

the ultimate profundity

http://haqeeqat.pk/Divine%20Communication.pdf
#4
##### Questions/Comments on the Quran / Re: GOD s revelation V Men s...
Last post by good logic - Yesterday at 08:41:29 AM
Peace jkhan.

The count of all the letters  from the first letter " B" of verse 1 -بِسمِ اللَّهِ الرَّحمٰنِ الرَّحيمِ- to the last letter "S" of verse -مِنَ الجِنَّةِ وَالنّاس-.with the order of the Surahs as is the current arrangement fits code 19.

Yes, like you said, the main task is to follow the message- by doing/living it-  that is in whichever version one uses.

GOD bless you.
Peace
#5
##### Questions/Comments on the Quran / Re: Real Abode or Destiny of D...
Last post by jkhan - Yesterday at 07:16:23 AM
I should remind you that I am not trying to show sympathy to disbelievers in attempting to raise a point that Hell is not real fire in which they will be burned it is a miserable life only....

Hardship and suffering without seeing or any hope of a sign that they would get back to a better life is simply petrifying to even think.. It is worse than just burning...

My understanding though and not pacifying any disbelievers here.. Nobody knows where their end would be.. it's all up to Allah.
#6
##### Questions/Comments on the Quran / Re: GOD s revelation V Men s...
Last post by jkhan - Yesterday at 07:08:31 AM
Quote from: good logic on Yesterday at 06:42:45 AMPeace jkhan.

For me, Kala fits the interlock of the complete Qoran- Three letters- Kul will make the count 1 letter short.
In my view ,The letters fit the mathematical frame exactly and Kala fits  whether the only time one finds it in Qoran is irrelevant.
For example one can argue in surah Q-Qaf- the word "Ikhwanu Lut" was used where the rest of Qoran uses "Qawmu lut- .
It does not mean it is an error. That is our own reasoning that creates complications/errors sometimes.
But,of course this is my own view and others are entitled to theirs. What matters is we keep learning studying with an open mind.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

Peace GL...
I don't want to stress you on this subject.. After all it is no-one's fault because that's the Quran which is available Hafs or Warsh mainly.. Whoever chooses whatever the version it's not a big deal.. let's end it..

But I am unclear on your first para.. Kala fits the interlock of the complete Qoran- Three letters- Kul will make the count 1 letter short.
Can you explain what it is pls.. I am afraid that I am not getting it..

thank you..
#7
##### Questions/Comments on the Quran / Re: GOD s revelation V Men s...
Last post by good logic - Yesterday at 06:42:45 AM
Peace jkhan.

For me, Kala fits the interlock of the complete Qoran- Three letters- Kul will make the count 1 letter short.
In my view ,The letters fit the mathematical frame exactly and Kala fits  whether the only time one finds it in Qoran is irrelevant.
For example one can argue in surah Q-Qaf- the word "Ikhwanu Lut" was used where the rest of Qoran uses "Qawmu lut- .
It does not mean it is an error. That is our own reasoning that creates complications/errors sometimes.
But,of course this is my own view and others are entitled to theirs. What matters is we keep learning studying with an open mind.
GOD bless you.
Peace.
#8
##### Questions/Comments on the Quran / Re: GOD s revelation V Men s...
Last post by jkhan - June 10, 2024, 07:53:40 PM
Quote from: good logic on June 10, 2024, 01:07:39 PMPeace jkhan.
For me kALA IS the statement which came from the rasool answering from his own knowledge of the message- GOD s trait .i.e indirectly from GOD.
KUL, the statement comes directly from GOD. What to say exactly.

GOD bless you.
Peace.

Brother GL Peace..

It's okay and it is in the Quran what you read and what most read.. But question for both of you GL and BH, is there any such verse in the Quran where Messenger SAID/QALA is placed without messenger being a word in the verse? So we can somewhat deduce..

I am not against your view GL btw.. but for whatever reason, I strongly feel that QUL would suit.. And I can't just deduce while it is written in Quran QALA but it is the assumption that HAFS version is right by majority.. because of this reason I researched a bit to know about HAFS and WARSH and it is very strange very minute differences in both ... And WARSH is a minority ..

below are some differences pointed out by some Christians but it is the truth..

https://www.ugr.es/~mreligio/materiales/Green.Samuel_The-different-arabic-versions-of-the-Quran.pdf

After seeing these variations, tbh my mind says that whatever written in WARSH version seems right for me.. just my personal opinion by reading the flow of verses.. But the truth of Allah's revelation remains truth..

I know Brother GL that QUL and QALU have some symmetry and you consider it highly but who knows one QUL verse could be QALA somewhere ....

This SAY and THEY SAID have a connection.. Allah REPLIED to those WHO SAID QALU by QUL / SAY and not by QALA / HE SAID.. so I strongly believe that in verse 21:4 it is QUL and not QALA...

But GL. remain in your stance until you get convinced and Allah's guidance reaches you with clarity ... and anyway, these won't make any difference to anyone's faith unless they think the Quran has flaws..

Just reflect and research and seek guidance from Allah to reach what exactly was revealed to Prophet Mohamed...No flaws in what was revealed to him though we have many different versions after years elapsed..

But both HAFS and WARSH cannot be right but only one can be right..
#9
##### Questions/Comments on the Quran / Re: GOD s revelation V Men s...
Last post by good logic - June 10, 2024, 01:07:39 PM
Peace jkhan.
For me kALA IS the statement which came from the rasool answering from his own knowledge of the message- GOD s trait .i.e indirectly from GOD.
KUL, the statement comes directly from GOD. What to say exactly.

GOD bless you.
Peace.

#10
##### Questions/Comments on the Quran / Re: Ayah Of The Day
Last post by Mazhar - June 10, 2024, 06:53:41 AM
One of the most famous  quotes from Albert Einstein is: "The most incomprehensible thing about the world is that it is comprehensible." Comprehension comes from Latin term which means "a seizing". Comprehension of a subject/object is when one has seized information and incorporated it in one's knowledge.  Thereby, only that is comprehensible and can be mentally grasped which is finite, notwithstanding it is unbelievably large and contains unthinkable number of things. At the very first address to humanity it is revealed in Qur'ān that the best comprehension is when you have panoramic view of the Universe around you:

يَٟٓأَيُّـهَا ٱلنَّاسُ ٱعْبُدُوا۟ رَبَّكُـم ٱلَّذِى خَلَقَكُـمْ وَ ٱلَّذِينَ مِن قَبْلِـكُـمْ لَعَلَّـكُـمْ تَتَّقُونَ٢١

O you the Mankind, listen attentively; You people demonstrate subservience and allegiance to your Sustainer Lord. Your Sustainer Lord is He Who has created you people and had created those who existed in times before you— So that you people might protect - safeguard yourselves.  [2:21]

ٱلَّذِى جَعَلَ لَـكُـمُ ٱلْأَرْضَ فِرَٟشًۭا وَ ٱلسَّمَآءَ بِنَآءًۭ
وَ أَنزَلَ مِنَ ٱلسَّمَآءِ مَآءًۭ فَأَخْرَجَ بِهِۦ مِنَ ٱلثَّمَرَٟتِ رِزْقًۭا لَّـكُـمْۖ
فَلَا تَجْعَلُوا۟ لِلَّهِ أَندَادًۭا وَ أَنتُـمْ تَعْلَمُونَ٢٢

Your Sustainer Lord is He Who had rendered the Earth for you people as a floor/flat open space— And the Sky as an overarching canopy. Moreover, He the Exalted (Your Sustainer Lord) had dropped water in one go (in measured quantity-23:18) from the Sky. Thereby, with it (Water), He the Exalted had brought out variety of fruits, which were to serve as means of subsistence, nutritious for you people. Thereat having seen the world around you as integrated whole you people should not ascribe others as participants for aiding Allah the Exalted — While you people have logical understanding of there being none associate [realization of universe as a coherent unit manifesting Sole Creator]. [2:22]

5.4. Character and general structure of the universe we live in is depicted as is visible to naked eye. The Earth, the Sky, water which is the source of botanical produce, that serves as sustenance for humans is what the universe is all about outwardly, that a layman might perceive the universe; one complete unified theory as Stephen Hawking puts it, as vividly as one sees a thing with naked eye. The character and structure of universe is finite as captured by mere observation. This yields a logical understanding of a coherent universe. Everything is interrelated; they are just one unit. Earth and sky are interrelated; sky and water are interrelated; and water and the produce of earth have inter relationship; all at the service of man. It reflects Monism; existence of only one Supreme Being Who manages it.

5.5. Panoramic view of the Universe suffices for every individual to comprehend it. The Latin concept of "comprehension" is however wanting since there has to be one Superior and Absolute Will of the Living Who enables others comprehending (Root: ح و ط verbal noun-اِحَاطَةٌ):

وَلَا يُحِيطُونَ بِشَىْءٛ مِّنْ عِلْمِهِۦٓ إِلَّا بِمَا شَآءَۚ
وَسِعَ كُرْسِيُّهُ ٱلسَّمَٟوَٟتِ وٱلۡأَرْضَۖۖ وَلَا يَـُٔـودُهُۥ حِفْظُهُمَاۚ وَهُوَ ٱلْعَلِـىُّ ٱلْعَظِيـمُ ٢٥٥

But they can not comprehensively grasp any physical or abstract entity loaded with partial information of the Knowledge of Him the Exalted. Exception is only to that information which He the Exalted desired to share - acquaint them with. His sovereignty - dominance is expanded beyond the bounds of the Skies and the Earth (Apparent Realm). Mind it; the care-taking of these two Realms in all space-time does not weary Him the Exalted. Remain vigilant; He is the One and only Exalted Supreme, the Greatest - the Almighty. [Refer 2:255]

5.6. Man's capability of comprehension puts him under an obligation to express thanks and gratitude to the Setter of sciences. It is due upon every man of heart since comprehension is made possible by binding everything together by a web of relationships and mathematical coordination of measures and quantity. We call them the laws of physics.