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General Issues / Questions / Re: ❤
« Last post by good logic on Today at 09:53:49 AM »
 Hello to you too.
Welcome back.
GOD bless you.
Peace.
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Questions/Comments on the Quran / Re: pattern of writing ?
« Last post by Noon waalqalami on Today at 09:11:44 AM »
Peace, no difference like retelling story translate speech that transpired into Arabic which can use partial quotes or paraphrase the speech of different persons or groups and flip words around e.g.

7:120-122 والقى and fell السحره the magicians سجدىن prostration قالوا said they of
 “امنا believe we of برب in lord العلمىن the world’s inhabitants رب lord موسى moses وهرون and aaron

20:70 فالقى so fell السحره the magicians سجدا prostrate of قالوا said they of
“امنا believe we of بربه in lord his هرون aaron وموسى and moses

6:112 الانس the humanity والجن and the jinn
17:88 الانس the humanity والجن and the jinn
72:5 الانس the humanity والجن and the jinn

6:130 الجن the jinn والانس and the humanity
7:38 الجن the jinn والانس and the humanity
7:179 الجن the jinn والانس and the humanity
27:17 الجن the jinn والانس and the humanity
41:25 الجن the jinn والانس and the humanity
41:29 الجن the jinn والانس and the humanity
46:18 الجن the jinn والانس and the humanity
51:56 الجن the jinn والانس and the humanity
55:33 الجن the jinn والانس and the humanity

11:119 الجنه the jinn kind والناس and the humankind
32:13 الجنه the jinn kind والناس and the humankind
114:6 الجنه the jinn kind والناس and the humankind

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Peace The Sardar.
If someone asked me to lift a rock so heavy(impossible to lift ),my first thought would be how can I use what I have as tools to do this?
So GOD is intelligent and creative. May be he will create a giant truck lift to lift it (the bigger the stone, the bigger the truck lift to match!!). Why would that be an impossibility or a failed attempt at doing the task asked by "logical" people.

GOD has not lifted it,so what is the problem? Some will say ,but the question has not been answered!
Never the less a demonstrartion will be done to prove that GOD can create whatever GOD wants.
Anyway I agree with most,not a logical question to ask.
GOD bless you.
Peace.


I came up with a alternate response and it's similar to yours i think. Which is: No, because that "rock" simply does not exist because Allah/God (SWTAY) is CAPABLE OF ALL THINGS (2:20, 2:106, 2:109, 2:148, 2:259, 2:284, 3:26, 3:29, 3:165, 3:189, 5:17, 5:19, 5:40, 5:120, 6:17, 8:41, 9:39, 11:4, 16:77, 18:45, 22:6, 24:45, 29:20, 30:50, 41:39, 48:21, 57:2, 59:6, 64:1, 65:12, 67:1). Even IF He "could not" lift that "rock", he would create a tool  that would lift the rock. And when the atheists object by claiming this is a illogical answer then i would say: If you don't like this answer and claim it's illogical then you shouldn't ask illogical questions to undermine or humanize our Creator.
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General Issues / Questions / Re: ❤
« Last post by The Sardar on Today at 08:02:46 AM »
Salam/Peace brother/sister afridi220.  :welcome: :welcome: :welcome:
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General Issues / Questions /
« Last post by afridi220 on Today at 07:57:42 AM »
Hello everyone
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Peace The Sardar.
If someone asked me to lift a rock so heavy(impossible to lift ),my first thought would be how can I use what I have as tools to do this?
So GOD is intelligent and creative. May be he will create a giant truck lift to lift it (the bigger the stone, the bigger the truck lift to match!!). Why would that be an impossibility or a failed attempt at doing the task asked by "logical" people.

GOD has not lifted it,so what is the problem? Some will say ,but the question has not been answered!
Never the less a demonstrartion will be done to prove that GOD can create whatever GOD wants.
Anyway I agree with most,not a logical question to ask.
GOD bless you.
Peace.
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Discuss Latest World News / Re: 9/11. What is new?
« Last post by good logic on Today at 05:20:15 AM »
Peace Zach.
Do you think America and Israel had nothing to do with 9/11? Only Saudi Arabia?
 Why would the prifessionals(Engineers,demolition experts,some firemen,pilots,...)ask the high court to open a new investigation?
In my opinion,there was never a proper investigation by the government from the start. The debris was shiped to China, everything was controled to go the government wanted it to go.
Usually if a building collapsed that fast because of fire all the debris would be analysed ,the reason would be investigated thouroughly to prevent similar happening in the future.
Have you read a report with everything analysed and investigated? Please pass a link here if you have?
I guess we have to wait and see. But it does not look good for those responsible - American Government, Israel involvement and others...-.
GOID bless you.
Peace.
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Peace Novice.
Do you see that you have a problem with this, quote:

If mushrikeen follow the rules of your society, not the ritual prayer or 2.5% tax etc., but respecting and following your society's norms, which are based on God's guidance and as a result give overall growth to the society and don't fight with you, then leave them alone.

So you expect them to follow GOD s guidance or force them?
In that case they will Aquimi Salat and give Zakat!!!

I said, they already have been doing Aquimi Salat before  ( Wa Ma Kana Salatuhum Inda El-Beyt Illa Mukaan Wa Tasdiyah…)
And I also implied  exactly this in my post  as well:
It gives a picture of peaceful co-existence of different people in one society.
Read my post again, I said -Leave them be-
As for Zaccariah, what do you think he was doing brother?
GOD bless you.
Peace.
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Dear all...
As we all know we don't have the exact original of what was in the hands of Prophet Mohammed's hand on his last day.    We definitely see various alterations at least by a letter in modern prints of Quran... For example when I was a kid,  I had a QURAN which has 8 verses numbered in the first chapter by adding Ameen as the 8th One..
So... Claiming the same is quite obviously wrong... But why should such thing happen if God promised that He preserve quran in 15:9... What actually God preserved?  Is it physical quran I mean the same print of original book or the meanings or protected by not allowing any addition or deletion ....
There should be some meaning to 15:9.. Right?.. In my opinion God preserved it without being able to alter and thus alterations will be exposed ..if so how?
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Here you are grossly mistaken jkhan. God's Law is not religious law. It is Deen not religion. Let me give an example of God's Law:

6:151 قل تعالوا اتل ما حرم ربكم عليكم الا تشركوا به شيا وبالوالدين احسانا ولا تقتلوا اولادكم من املاق نحن نرزقكم واياهم ولا تقربوا الفواحش ما ظهر منها وما بطن ولا تقتلوا النفس التى حرم الله الا بالحق ذالكم وصىاكم به لعلكم تعقلون

6:152 ولا تقربوا مال اليتيم الا بالتى هى احسن حتىا يبلغ اشده واوفوا الكيل والميزان بالقسط لا نكلف نفسا الا وسعها واذا قلتم فاعدلوا ولو كان ذا قربىا وبعهد الله اوفوا ذالكم وصىاكم به لعلكم تذكرون

6:153 وان هاذا صراطى مستقيما فاتبعوه ولا تتبعوا السبل فتفرق بكم عن سبيله ذالكم وصىاكم به لعلكم تتقون

Please use your favorite translation if you do not understand language of Quran e.g. http://quranix.org/6#151

Deen is all ethics, morality and justice as per God's standard.

History confirms that every man-made system is flawed.

Even this Deen becomes fruitless when humans add to it their wishes converting it into a religion focused on worship of a deity through empty soul less rituals.

God bless you.

Dear Novice...
Be patient and concentrate what you say if you seek guidance from God....
Don't instantly decide things and respond... What is religion I have no idea when it comes to quran... That's why I said "There is no compulsion in system ""
But we have to accept people do have their own religions and dogmas to approach ehat they believe...
Hmm my favorite translation is translations verified by non other By Khan... That's me.. I am not kidding.. I believe what is right for my mind after thoroughly verifying... So don't bother about my quran knowledge.... Just relax...
Let's get back to those three verses... You God has given set of dos and don'ts...individually and as a nations.... That's very clear in Quran.. If God asks to fast then fast and we can't force anyone who is mushrik or hypocrites to fast and force by saying that God's law is the best and flawless...
Other tyoe is collective law to be practiced... If a nation is under a well practiced Muslim for example the late period of Mohamed... They Mohamed would only set the law according  to the instructions given in the Quran as laws of the nation's.. If anyone found at murderer then the specific rules will be applied.. Remember regardless of any religious belief of other community coz the power is in the hands of majority which is under Mohamed.. So others have to surrender whether like or not.. That's so simple..  If you live in USA follow what US government is saying and if you are in Egypt or Saudi or India then follow what the respective Nations say to keep the peace in the nations... Point to think Novice is quran has various laws that only believers should take it as a practice and I don't  need to emphasize that... So asking and forcing the mushrik to follow everything what is in Quran and as laws prescribed by God is outrageous and against humanity...
Man made system succeeds and fails coz its man made.. But it doesn't mean God is against Man made system... If Yousuf lived in the kingdom of Man made and though Yousuf is prophet or not he has to surrender to the system just keep the peace around though Yousuf is well convinced that the system is right or wrong...
Novice be stick to what we have been discussing and go with it... Mushrik was the last thread and if they were making Salat and Zakath let them go in their way....
If any mushrik unethical mushrik reformed by establishing Salat morals and purifying Zakath then it could be against those mushrik who are violent so giving security for such people a group who is fighting for freedom of living in peace is responsibility....
Novice bring better argument... Trust me I only take the right path even you clarified to me or GL or anyone... Coz right path should be respected and be followed... Once the truth is manifest and denying is worse.. I am not such... I will definitely highly appreciate you and accept it I find your explanations convinced me as per QURAN... I am not proud to accept truth... So bring better proof...
God guide us..
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