For Layth: Jinn = David Ike's Reptilian-Illuminati?

[mo.mentum]

If we are not our minds, nor our bodies, nor anything else, we are non-beings. We are non-created. we are pure potential for creation in God's Mind..if we can call it that.

The Sufis explain it as that everything that is in creation right now, was non-creation before it, and God decided to make it reality on one or several levels of reality. Heaven Hell Earth are just different dimensions of reality, the life of this world "7ayat al dunya" is literraly, the "lowest life" or the "lowest reality".

Mystics describe a cosmic consciousness, where they become part of a greater consciousness and are aware of a "everything", doesnt necessarily mean that they tapped directly into God's Mind and melted into it. It could simply mean that since God says that evertything in Creation has consciousness and is aware, and thus glorifies Him, then that cosmic consciousness is just that, the sum of all Creation..the Oneness of Creation....CREATION.....the CREATOR is wholly seperate/different from His Creation. But of course, since HE is Infinite and boundless, it is not logical to say that He is "up there", that would be non sense anyway.

So Creation doesn't occupy a space "outside" of God since He is infinite anyway, but think of God as the CPU/RAM/HD of your computer, and we are the software that is running on it. Sprites. no more no less. Doesn't mean we are the same as the hardware itself, but the hardware allows the existence and execution of the programs.

[Jaxal]

SaLaM whoisit1998

First of all, welcome to the forum  :welcome

Second, very intersting point of view about this life being a dream. I have to say, i agree.

[whoisit1998]

Ok, we arent 'real', so I guess 'we' cant be God if we are not real, but we do have only one real aspect to us, and that is consciousness, and why should that consciousness be apart/seperate to God? afterall God says he is closer to us than our jugular vein, cant that mean that he is 'consiousness', as the creation i guess is this illusion...

There is a hindu story, about how this matrix/illusion came into being..

Imagine  God as a river, and for some reason or other, a whirlpool developed within that river, and then that whirlpool forgot it was part of the river, and it found its own energy - fear to keep going around and around and around.. ie the matrix.. and anything that is built on fear energy cannot be part of true consciousness/God.. and religion is built on fear/seperateness, hierarchy..  The way it is described is as 'stillness', everything in creation is in vibration(duality) yet God is not.. and when we are able to be that 'stillness' we reconnect with our Godness/consciousness
So I can agree with your analogy that we are the software running on the PC, but then again that software doesnt really exist.. only God exists..
In truth i dont think this can be explained in words, only 'known'
But the knower and the known, can merge into one
The creator and the creation also
The poet and the poem, etc, etc

[mo.mentum]

If you wish. But then what stops one from worshipping the poem for its beauty, since he never sees the poet? It becomes too dangerous to think in those terms cuz ppl then easily fall into shirk

[Elke]

Peace all,

about life being a dream, an illusion. Yes, there is something about that - and it's written in quran. Sometimes i have dreams (while sleeping) and the follow me like a reality all day through. The only difference is that i don't seem to have physical reality during dreams, may be just because the body stays in bed  :wink:

LK

[whoisit1998]

The thing is we dont need to worship the poet or the poem, God doesnt need us to worship him, granted Islam is the best system for existiing in this 3d reality, though once you go beyond that, and into oneness, there is only oneness, no seperation, no duality, no vibration.... All is...ie, no form, only essence,