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Re: salat = prayer? How do you explain this then...
« Reply #130 on: October 06, 2017, 12:57:52 PM »
I have read the verses again and have made some new inferences. I will present my new findings and interpretation. It is helpful if we look at these verses in phases and first agree on certain premises and principles.

Premises and principles:
a. the "deen" is peacefulness

b. those who believe in God can set up partners with God. You can live your whole life thinking you believe when in fact you are an idolator.

c. those who set up partners are not necessarily disavowers ("kafireen") - if they fight the monotheist believers, they become/are referenced as such

d. people who set up partners are free to do so without getting a punishment

e. the only time believers/trusters are allowed to fight them is in self-defense and in pursuit to end oppression

f. no person shall bear the burden of another

g. God is most wise and most merciful

What we will see:
God is in fact being very merciful and giving the idolators a very fair chance.

Phase 1: Cease and desist, aggressors!

9:1 This is an ultimatum from God and His messenger to those who set up partners with whom you had entered a treaty.

9:2 Therefore, roam the land for four months and know that you will not escape God, and that God will humiliate the ingrates.

The meat of the ultimatum:
9:3 A declaration from God and His messenger to the people, on this, the day of the greater debate/convention/hajj: "That God and His messenger are free from obligation to those who set up partners (al mushrikeena.)" If you (plural) "tubtum," then it is better for you, but if you "tawalla"/turn away, then know that you will not escape God. Promise the those who disavowed (alatheena kafaroo) a painful retribution.

The exception to the ultimatum/retribution and explanation of what happened - the reason for the ultimatum:
9:4 Except for those with whom you had a treaty from among those who have set up partners if they did not reduce anything from it nor did they plan to attack you; you shall fulfill their terms until they expire. God loves the observant.

Summary of Phase 1:
a. Clearly this is a warning to those who set up partners - a warning in the sense that idolators still have the chance to "tubtum" i.e. return to what is right, repent from their aggression.

b. The reason for the ultimatum is given in 9:4 - idolators attacked the believers/trusters and thus/and broke their oaths.

c. Notice the change of how God calls them "mushrikeena" first and then in the instance that they do not "tubtum" He calls them "alatheena kafaroo" because it is talking abouth te consequences of these people not accepting the ultimatum/their old oath/treaty. We have clearly established that they are an aggressive group and are disavowers if they continue and must be attacked.

d. They are to be attacked as per the law of self-defence if they do not accept the ultimatum, which is only there in the first place because of their aggression.

e. Notice that this is still during the restriction. Believers are not told to fight them yet. In fact, peace and justice is sought.

f. There is nothing unfair here. They are the aggressors. God is giving them a chance - and not their last chance at that! Indeed, God is the Most Merciful.

Phase 2: The consequences of aggression, but forgiveness for those who do not wish to fight the trusters/"believers" and even for those who desist after wanting to fight

9:5 Once the restricted months have passed, then you may kill/confront/fight those who have set up partners wherever you find them, take them, surround them, and stand against them at every point. If they taboowa, aqeemu al salat, and atawoo al zakat, then you shall leave them alone. God is Forgiving, Compassionate.

Again, an exception is given:

9:6 If any of those who have set up partners seeks your protection, then you may protect him so that he may hear the words of God, then let him reach his sanctuary. This is because they are a people who do not know.

9:7 How can those who have set up partners have a pledge with God and with His messenger? Except for those with whom you made a pledge near/during/in the presence of  al masjid al haram. As long as they are upright with you, be upright with them. God loves the observant.

9:8 How is it that if they ever defeated you they would neither respect neither any rights of kinship nor any pledge. They seek to please you with their words, but their hearts deny, and most of them are corrupt.

9:9 They trade away Godís revelations for petty gains and hinder people from His path. They spread inequity/are vicious.

9:10 They neither respect the ties of kinship nor a pledge for any those who acknowledge. These are the transgressors.

9:11 If they return to good/repent ("tawaboo"), and they uphold the salat, and they bring forth/give/cause the zakat, then they are your brothers in the system/doctrine (i.e. peacefulness.) We explain the signs for a people who know.

Summary of Phase 2:

a. Those who are not part of the exception of returning to good/repenting, shall be fought as per 9:5

b. Even then, those who do not aggress in phase 2 are given yet another chance: They may seek protection and hear the "words of God" - can also mean "command of God" - this could very well include the overall message of peace, upholding your oaths, etc. Note: It only says hearing the word of God. It does not say they need to make obeaisance/submission/acknowledgement ("sujjud") - they are guaranteed safe passage.

c. It is emphasized that the idolators do not regard their pledges nor ties, would not be as just as God and the "mumineen" and most/a significant amount are not peaceful/honest. The bad ones are referred to as "transgressors" - not the good ones.

d. After transgressing twice in phase 2, they can still have forgiveness! However, this time they will need, in addition to "tawaboo," uphold the salat and bring forth the zakat. The way this can be understood is that they need to formally meet with the believers and the messenger and they will hear God's words. They would need to make "sujjud" and acknowledge peace. This is not a violation of 2:256 since they have cotinued aggression upon aggression and have been given non-salat chances. This is supposed to be the last resort. The result will be to bring forth purification/self-development/development of the situation overall. They are given this chance twice in this phase - it needs to be emphasized.

e. The deen is peacefulness. Uphold peace, learn from upholding the salat with the believers and thus be a brother in the deen. Does this mean they convert?  I do no want to make a conclusion at this point.

Phase 3: Enough is enough. They are just using the peaceful system.

9:12 But if they break their oaths after their pledge, and they taunt and attack your system/doctrine; then you may kill/fight the chiefs of rejection. Their oaths are nothing to them, perhaps they will then cease.

Aggressors must be fought. This isnt unjust.

9:13 Would you not fight a people who broke their oaths and intended to expel the messenger, especially while they were the ones who attacked you first? Do you fear them? It is God who is more worthy to be feared if you are those who acknowledge.

Going to skip forward to and end at this:

9:17 It was not for those who have set up partners to maintain God's masajid while they bear witness over their own disavowal ("kufr"). For these, their works have fallen, and in the fire they will abide.

9:18 Rather, the masajid of God are maintained by the one who acknowledges God and the Last day, uphold/establish the salat, brings forth the zakat, and he does not fear except God. It is these that will be of the guided ones.

Summary of Phase 3:

a. They get what they deserve after so many chances
b. Notice the "al kufri" in 9:12 because they taunt and attack the system of peacefulness
c. Furthermore, breaking of oaths is emphasized again along with intending to expel the messenger and them attacking the mumineen first.
d. Fighting them is a last resort. And then the clear message is given: "perhaps they will then cease" - i.e. if they finally stop after being defeated, then all can return to normal.
e. Notice again how "kufr" is discussed in 9:17 since they continually attack the monotheists.
f. Notice how in 9:18 it says that the trusters/believers/those who acknowledge (in this translation) are not only told to uphold/establish the salat and bring forth the zakat, but also that "he does not feat except God." Fearing God and any other such positive result other than stopping fighting is not mentioned when talking about the idolators establishing salat and bringing forth the zakat.
10:41 If they deny you, say: "My works are for me, and your works are for you. You are innocent of what I do, and I am innocent of what you do."