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Re: The Even And The Odd!
« Reply #20 on: May 22, 2006, 06:16:26 AM »
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Re: The Even And The Odd!
« Reply #21 on: May 22, 2006, 02:58:43 PM »
Peace.

I have asked members of math forum to response to brother sobo challege wich is support for my question more than a year ago.  You can reach the discussed posts at following



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Re: The Even And The Odd!
« Reply #22 on: January 01, 2009, 08:25:47 AM »
Salam Everybody,

I would like to share a very interesting phenomen, which no body is giving attention to. Its the structure of the verses of the Quran and how it is balanced using the Even and the Odd

Definitions

  • 1: even and odd
    even number: a number, which is divisible by 2
    odd number: a number, which is not divisible by 2
  • 2: homogenous and heterogenous
    We define a Sura to be homogeneous, if the number of the sura is even and the number of verses in it is also even, or if the number of the sura is odd and the number of verses in it is also odd.
    Otherwise the sura is heterogenous
  • 3: Suras of the Quran
    There are 114 Suras in the Quran. The sum of numbers from 1-114 = 6555
  • 4: numbered verses in the Quran
    There are 6234 numbered verses in the Quran
The phenomenons
  • There are 60 Suras in the Quran, which have even number of verses.

These are divided into
  • 30 even sura numbers
  • 30 odd sura numbers

  • There are 54 Suras in the Quran, which have odd number of verses.

These are divided into
  • 27 even sura numbers
  • 27 odd sura numbers

  • There are 57 homogenous Suras and 57 heterogenous Suras in the Quran
  • The sum of all Sura numbers and the numbers of numbered verses in these suras in the homogenous section is: 6234 (compare with definition #4)
  • The sum of all Sura numbers and the numbers of numbered verses in these suras in the heterogenous section is: 6555 (compare with definition #3)
  • The number of even Suras in the homogenous section = 30 = The number of odd Suras in the heterogenous section
  • The number of odd Suras in the homogenous section = 27 = The number of even Suras in the heterogenous section
  • The sum of Sura numbers in the homogenous section = 3303 = The sum of the numbered verses of the heterogenous section
  • If we examine the two halves of the Quran (Suras 1-57 and Suras 58-114) we find:
  • The number of homogenous Suras in the first half = 29 = The number of heterogenous Suras in the second half
  • The number of homogenous Suras in the second half = 28 = The number of heterogenous Suras in the first half
  • The sum of the numbered verses in the first 19th chapter is 2346 and the sum of numbered verses of the Quran is 6234, and the 6234 is the 19th permutation of 2346

And today I've observed something amazing:
If we examine the numbered verses of the Quran:
7 286 200 176 120 165 206 75 127 109 123 111 43 52 99 128 111 110 98 135 112 78 118 64 77 227 93 88 69 60 34 30 73 54   45 83 182 88 75 85 54 53 89 59 37 35 38 29 18 45 60 49 62 55 78 96 29 22 24 13 14 11 11 18 12 12 30 52 52 44 28 28 20 56 40 31 50 40 46 42 29 19 36 25 22 17 19 26 30 20 15 21 11 8 8 19 5 8   8 11 11 8 3 9 5 4 7 3 6 3 5 4 5 6

And for each number we see if the number following it is higher or lower and write H for higher and L for lower we will get the following string:
HLLLHHLHLHLLHHHLLLHLLHLHHLLLLLLHLLHHLLHLLHLLLHLLHHLHLHHLLHLHL-HL-HH-LL-LHLLHLHLLLHLLLHHHLLHLL-HLH-H-LLHLLHLHLHLHH

The - means: the number of verses wasn't increased nor decreased

We have in this string 61 L's and 45 H's (difference 16)

But if we see how many times it was switched from high to low (represented as HL or H-L) we'll find: 32 switches

and if we see how many times it was switched from low to high (represented as LH or L-H) we'll find also: 32 switches.
One can not escape the relation between 32 and 16

Now to imagine the complexity of this structure, here is a task for people, who are interested in mathematics and/or programming, what we can just imagine solving it using arrays of integers.

?   Find a prime number P
?   Find N numbers, where each number has an index from 1-N and N is a multiple of P
?   An index is homogeneous if the index is even and the number assigned to it is even, or if the index is odd and the number assigned to it is odd, otherwise its heterogeneous: the number of homogeneous indices must be equal to heterogenic indices
?   The even numbers among these N numbers should have an equal number of odd indices and even indices
?   The odd numbers among these N numbers should have an equal number of odd indices and even indices
?   The sum of indices from 1-N should be equal to the sum of all indices and numbers in the homogeneous or heterogeneous section
?   The sum of numbers from 1-N should be equal to the sum of all indices and numbers in the homogeneous or heterogeneous section
?   Even indices in the homogeneous section must be equal to odd indices in the heterogeneous section
?   Odd indices in the homogeneous section must be equal to even indices in the heterogeneous section
?   The sum of indices in the homogeneous section must be equal to the sum of numbers in the heterogeneous section
?   The number of homogeneous indices in the first half of indices must be equal to the number of heterogeneous indices in the  second half of indices
?   The number of homogeneous indices in the second half of indices must be equal to the number of heterogeneous indices in the  first half of indices
?   The sum of the N numbers should be the P-th permutation of the sum of the number assigned to the first P indices
?   For each number from the N numbers write the number
followed by the numbers from 1 to this number. All numbers placed next to each other must be divisible by P
?   For each number from the N numbers write the sum of numbers from 1 to this number followed by the numbers from 1 to this number. All numbers placed next to each other must be divisible by P

The 114 numbers given  on this thread fulfill the requirements of this task for P=19

Best regards,
Mohamed

P.S. almost all information are taken from http://www.mucizeler.com/19lar/ciftveteksayi.htm (turkish language, however I don't speak turkish :P)
Peace
Dear brother Mohammed
You left this forum because of so many none sense and conjectures by clergies and their brain washed student here wasting your time. Although they have most advanced privileges and even modern dress code but their mentality is coupled so solidly to their false learning that nothing can remove unless if GW.
I have  to refresh this topic even I suppose to be in ?holiday? but parroting none sense and using code when they reject it to keep their idol can not be ignored.
I refresh this topic and see if these people with their academic degrees  can come with challenge.
Wish you good luck anywhere you are and still I use your designed calculator but it is limited to 20000 digits,  I used submission.org calc.  for this  but it is fixed code 19 and can not be changed to other number. If you read this please redesign it to higher numbers.
God bless.


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« Reply #23 on: April 03, 2009, 06:26:08 PM »
Salam Everybody,

I would like to share a very interesting phenomen, which no body is giving attention to. Its the structure of the verses of the Quran and how it is balanced using the Even and the Odd

Definitions

  • 1: even and odd
    even number: a number, which is divisible by 2
    odd number: a number, which is not divisible by 2
  • 2: homogenous and heterogenous
    We define a Sura to be homogeneous, if the number of the sura is even and the number of verses in it is also even, or if the number of the sura is odd and the number of verses in it is also odd.
    Otherwise the sura is heterogenous
  • 3: Suras of the Quran
    There are 114 Suras in the Quran. The sum of numbers from 1-114 = 6555
  • 4: numbered verses in the Quran
    There are 6234 numbered verses in the Quran
The phenomenons
  • There are 60 Suras in the Quran, which have even number of verses.

These are divided into
  • 30 even sura numbers
  • 30 odd sura numbers

  • There are 54 Suras in the Quran, which have odd number of verses.

These are divided into
  • 27 even sura numbers
  • 27 odd sura numbers

  • There are 57 homogenous Suras and 57 heterogenous Suras in the Quran
  • The sum of all Sura numbers and the numbers of numbered verses in these suras in the homogenous section is: 6234 (compare with definition #4)
  • The sum of all Sura numbers and the numbers of numbered verses in these suras in the heterogenous section is: 6555 (compare with definition #3)
  • The number of even Suras in the homogenous section = 30 = The number of odd Suras in the heterogenous section
  • The number of odd Suras in the homogenous section = 27 = The number of even Suras in the heterogenous section
  • The sum of Sura numbers in the homogenous section = 3303 = The sum of the numbered verses of the heterogenous section
  • If we examine the two halves of the Quran (Suras 1-57 and Suras 58-114) we find:
  • The number of homogenous Suras in the first half = 29 = The number of heterogenous Suras in the second half
  • The number of homogenous Suras in the second half = 28 = The number of heterogenous Suras in the first half
  • The sum of the numbered verses in the first 19th chapter is 2346 and the sum of numbered verses of the Quran is 6234, and the 6234 is the 19th permutation of 2346

And today I've observed something amazing:
If we examine the numbered verses of the Quran:
7 286 200 176 120 165 206 75 127 109 123 111 43 52 99 128 111 110 98 135 112 78 118 64 77 227 93 88 69 60 34 30 73 54   45 83 182 88 75 85 54 53 89 59 37 35 38 29 18 45 60 49 62 55 78 96 29 22 24 13 14 11 11 18 12 12 30 52 52 44 28 28 20 56 40 31 50 40 46 42 29 19 36 25 22 17 19 26 30 20 15 21 11 8 8 19 5 8   8 11 11 8 3 9 5 4 7 3 6 3 5 4 5 6

And for each number we see if the number following it is higher or lower and write H for higher and L for lower we will get the following string:
HLLLHHLHLHLLHHHLLLHLLHLHHLLLLLLHLLHHLLHLLHLLLHLLHHLHLHHLLHLHL-HL-HH-LL-LHLLHLHLLLHLLLHHHLLHLL-HLH-H-LLHLLHLHLHLHH

The - means: the number of verses wasn't increased nor decreased

We have in this string 61 L's and 45 H's (difference 16)

But if we see how many times it was switched from high to low (represented as HL or H-L) we'll find: 32 switches

and if we see how many times it was switched from low to high (represented as LH or L-H) we'll find also: 32 switches.
One can not escape the relation between 32 and 16

Now to imagine the complexity of this structure, here is a task for people, who are interested in mathematics and/or programming, what we can just imagine solving it using arrays of integers.

?   Find a prime number P
?   Find N numbers, where each number has an index from 1-N and N is a multiple of P
?   An index is homogeneous if the index is even and the number assigned to it is even, or if the index is odd and the number assigned to it is odd, otherwise its heterogeneous: the number of homogeneous indices must be equal to heterogenic indices
?   The even numbers among these N numbers should have an equal number of odd indices and even indices
?   The odd numbers among these N numbers should have an equal number of odd indices and even indices
?   The sum of indices from 1-N should be equal to the sum of all indices and numbers in the homogeneous or heterogeneous section
?   The sum of numbers from 1-N should be equal to the sum of all indices and numbers in the homogeneous or heterogeneous section
?   Even indices in the homogeneous section must be equal to odd indices in the heterogeneous section
?   Odd indices in the homogeneous section must be equal to even indices in the heterogeneous section
?   The sum of indices in the homogeneous section must be equal to the sum of numbers in the heterogeneous section
?   The number of homogeneous indices in the first half of indices must be equal to the number of heterogeneous indices in the  second half of indices
?   The number of homogeneous indices in the second half of indices must be equal to the number of heterogeneous indices in the  first half of indices
?   The sum of the N numbers should be the P-th permutation of the sum of the number assigned to the first P indices
?   For each number from the N numbers write the number
followed by the numbers from 1 to this number. All numbers placed next to each other must be divisible by P
?   For each number from the N numbers write the sum of numbers from 1 to this number followed by the numbers from 1 to this number. All numbers placed next to each other must be divisible by P

The 114 numbers given  on this thread fulfill the requirements of this task for P=19

Best regards,
Mohamed

P.S. almost all information are taken from http://www.mucizeler.com/19lar/ciftveteksayi.htm (turkish language, however I don't speak turkish :P)

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Re: The Even And The Odd!
« Reply #24 on: April 03, 2009, 10:34:57 PM »
help me and show the flaws.

Flaw, 2 verses deleted willingly to worship idol 19 means eternal hell fire!

ch   #v   ch+v   ch*v
1   7   8   7
2   286   288   572...
9   127   136   1143 <---- flaw
10   109   119   1090
11   123   134   1353...
113   5   118   565
114   6   120   684

6555   6234   12789 209011 totals <--- flaw

333410 =  total sum all verses sequence (28+41041? +8128? +21)

Flaw -- no prime number protection!

12789 NOT prime!
209011 NOT prime!
333410 NOT prime!

6234 12789 NOT prime!
12789 + 209011 + 333410 = 555210 NOT prime!

Allows to move, add/delete verses/chapters still preserve odd/even symmetry;
example: move 100 verses from chapter 11 to chapter 9...

ch   #v   ch+v   ch*v
1   7   8   7
2   286   288   572...
9   227   236   2043 <--- flaw ch 9 has 100+ verses!
10   109   119   1090
11   23   34   782... <--- flaw ch 11 has -100 verses!
113   5   118   565
114   6   120   684

6555   6234   12789 208811 totals

Now try to move anything in my QURAN with ALL verses including 9:1-129

89:3 والشفع والوتر
And/By the even and the odd




12791 is prime!

209029 is prime!

6236 12791 is prime!

333667 (total sum all verses sequence, 28+ 41041? + 8385? +21) is prime!

12791 +  209029 + 333667 =  555487 is prime!


http://www.usi.edu/science/math/prime.html

Peace,

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Re: The Even And The Odd!
« Reply #25 on: April 04, 2009, 09:13:08 AM »
Flaw,
Quote
Now to imagine the complexity of this structure, here is a task for people, who are interested in mathematics and/or programming, what we can just imagine solving it using arrays of integers.

?   Find a prime number P
?   Find N numbers, where each number has an index from 1-N and N is a multiple of P
?   An index is homogeneous if the index is even and the number assigned to it is even, or if the index is odd and the number assigned to it is odd, otherwise its heterogeneous: the number of homogeneous indices must be equal to heterogenic indices
?   The even numbers among these N numbers should have an equal number of odd indices and even indices
?   The odd numbers among these N numbers should have an equal number of odd indices and even indices
?   The sum of indices from 1-N should be equal to the sum of all indices and numbers in the homogeneous or heterogeneous section
?   The sum of numbers from 1-N should be equal to the sum of all indices and numbers in the homogeneous or heterogeneous section
?   Even indices in the homogeneous section must be equal to odd indices in the heterogeneous section
?   Odd indices in the homogeneous section must be equal to even indices in the heterogeneous section
?   The sum of indices in the homogeneous section must be equal to the sum of numbers in the heterogeneous section
?   The number of homogeneous indices in the first half of indices must be equal to the number of heterogeneous indices in the  second half of indices
?   The number of homogeneous indices in the second half of indices must be equal to the number of heterogeneous indices in the  first half of indices
?   The sum of the N numbers should be the P-th permutation of the sum of the number assigned to the first P indices
?   For each number from the N numbers write the number
followed by the numbers from 1 to this number. All numbers placed next to each other must be divisible by P
?   For each number from the N numbers write the sum of numbers from 1 to this number followed by the numbers from 1 to this number. All numbers placed next to each other must be divisible by P
The 114 numbers given  on this thread fulfill the requirements of this task for P=19
Best regards,
Mohamed
74:31 :)

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Re: The Even And The Odd!
« Reply #26 on: April 04, 2009, 10:51:48 AM »
?   Find a prime number P
?   Find N numbers, where each number has an index from 1-N and N is a multiple of P

Clueless! http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=prime+number

Your fake book with 2 verses removed has no prime number protection!

ch   #v   ch+v   ch*v
1   7   8   7
2   286   288   572...
9   127   136   1143 <---- flaw
10   109   119   1090
11   123   134   1353...
113   5   118   565
114   6   120   684

6555   6234   12789 209011 totals <--- flaw
333410 =  total sum all verses sequence (28+41041? +8128? +21)

12789                                        NOT prime!
209011                                       NOT prime!
333410                                       NOT prime!
6234 12789                                 NOT prime!
6555 209011                                NOT prime!
12789 + 209011 + 333410 = 555210 NOT prime!

Allows to move, add/delete verses/chapters still preserve odd/even symmetry.


Now try to move anything in my QURAN with ALL verses including 9:1-129

89:3 والشفع والوتر
And/By the even and the odd





12791 is prime!

209029 is prime!

6236 12791 is prime!

6555 209029 is prime!

333667 (total sum all verses, 28+ 41041? + 8385? +21) is prime!

12791 +  209029 + 333667 =  555487 is prime!


http://www.usi.edu/science/math/prime.html

Peace,

عيد عبدالله






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Re: The Even And The Odd!
« Reply #27 on: April 04, 2009, 12:35:48 PM »
Clueless! http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=prime+number

Your fake book with 2 verses removed has no prime number protection!

Peace
Great thank you
But I am not the one to judge your claim as my knowledge about prime is not as much you have .  I work only by four simple functions - + * /
But there is another 15 case and you have resounded only to one .
Please complete all list for record and certification of people with higher knowledge of numbers ?Math? .
I would like to see response of Brother Momo here and may he is not available then brothe Khizer, Edip or anybody beliving in miracle available here.
Peace.

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Re: The Even And The Odd!
« Reply #28 on: April 04, 2009, 06:40:51 PM »
Peace
Great thank you

Peace Bahman,

Actually, I need to thank you; it was your persistence all these years that actually served a purpose and forced me to have a look more into this; suspected all along it was prime numbers due to their uniqueness and never realized until now how simple it really was -- right there in front of our eyes!

18:1   الْحَمْدُ لِلَّهِ الَّذِي أَنزَلَ عَلَىٰ عَبْدِهِ الْكِتَابَ وَلَمْ يَجْعَل لَّهُ عِوَجًا ۜ

The praise to God who descended on His worshiper The Book, and He did not make for it crookedness.

89:3 والشفع والوتر
And/By the even and the odd


Take care old man and excuse my Albanian temper, my tribe has serious issues if you only knew. lol

Peace,
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Re: The Even And The Odd!
« Reply #29 on: April 05, 2009, 10:06:30 AM »
Peace Bahman,

Actually, I need to thank you; it was your persistence all these years that actually served a purpose and forced me to have a look more into this; suspected all along it was prime numbers due to their uniqueness and never realized until now how simple it really was -- right there in front of our eyes!

18:1   الْحَمْدُ لِلَّهِ الَّذِي أَنزَلَ عَلَىٰ عَبْدِهِ الْكِتَابَ وَلَمْ يَجْعَل لَّهُ عِوَجًا ۜ

The praise to God who descended on His worshiper The Book, and He did not make for it crookedness.

89:3 والشفع والوتر
And/By the even and the odd


Take care old man and excuse my Albanian temper, my tribe has serious issues if you only knew. lol

Peace,
عيد عبدالله


Peace عيد عبدالله
I appreciate your patience,  I am coming from Kurds tribes too which when in hight tone not angry and hate but as a habit  :)

Your presence  here has helped me to do my search and update some files like this[/url=http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=10044.msg46082#msg46082] which is [url=http://discoveries of brother Assad .]discoveries of brother Assad .
But which work you are talking about yours or Sobos's rother Mohammed.
I will write in thoer topic about your finding soon
Peace.