Let's delve deep Rashad Khalifa's messenger claim... be honest

[jkhan]

You are wrong!
Just for your info!

A list of the principal duties of God's Messenger of the Covenant:

Unveil and proclaim the Quran's mathematical miracle
Expose and remove the two false verses 9:128-129 from the Quran
Explain the purpose of our lives; why we are here
Proclaim one religion for all the people, and point out and purge away all the corruptions afflicting Judaism, Christianity, and Islam
Proclaim that Zakat (obligatory charity) is a prerequisite for redemption (7:156), and explain the correct method of observing Zakat
Unveil the end of the world
Proclaim that those who die before the age of 40 go to Heaven
Explain Jesus' death
Explain the Quran's delivery to, then through Muhammad
Announce that Muhammad wrote God's revelations (the Quran) with his own hand
Explain why most believers in God do not make it to Heaven
Proclaim that God never ordered Abraham to kill his son
Proclaim the secret of perfect happiness
Establish a criminal justice system

Thank you.

So the DISCOVERY of a person through Quran and outside sources leads to accepting him as the Messenger of Allah.    So, whoever discovers from Al Quran anything technically Messenger of Allah.. End this concept. that's better for you..

Well, so you say that RK has explained Al Quran in his translations and they are part of the Message to claim him as Messenger of Allah.. So, translating Al Quran into English makes one a Messenger of Allah? RK said he translated it at least for his children, then it became God's translation.. lol God's translation..

Remember well, bro Shukri, there is nothing called in verse 3:81 that states 'Messenger of the COVENANT', but just Messenger.. RK made up this, and he became 'Messenger of the Covenant'. There is no one ever on this earth, but they all were 'Rasul' and not adding another word specifically to their job of Messenger.. Be it Malak or Men, just messenger.. Cus they were placed message/s of Allah cus Allah wants to communicate with us..They did not DISCOVER message from Allah. and with one's own Message, one won't become a Messenger. The word messenger stands cus it is not one's own. get that right..

Note: what is this 'YOU ARE WRONG' stuff.. lol..

[shukri]

So the DISCOVERY of a person through Quran and outside sources leads to accepting him as the Messenger of Allah.    So, whoever discovers from Al Quran anything technically Messenger of Allah.. End this concept. that's better for you..

Well, so you say that RK has explained Al Quran in his translations and they are part of the Message to claim him as Messenger of Allah.. So, translating Al Quran into English makes one a Messenger of Allah? RK said he translated it at least for his children, then it became God's translation.. lol God's translation..

Remember well, bro Shukri, there is nothing called in verse 3:81 that states 'Messenger of the COVENANT', but just Messenger.. RK made up this, and he became 'Messenger of the Covenant'. There is no one ever on this earth, but they all were 'Rasul' and not adding another word specifically to their job of Messenger.. Be it Malak or Men, just messenger.. Cus they were placed message/s of Allah cus Allah wants to communicate with us..They did not DISCOVER message from Allah. and with one's own Message, one won't become a Messenger. The word messenger stands cus it is not one's own. get that right..

Note: what is this 'YOU ARE WRONG' stuff.. lol..

Hi the "honest" man!
My previous posting just to correct your statement on #Reply 31, i.e.

#Reply 31:
"Messenger (be it human or malak) is technically a person who is placed the real and tangible message of Allah. They carry them.. And what message RK has from Allah? RK removed a couple of messages from Al Quran? So you call a messenger of Allah to remove a couple of messages from Al Quran also? So, where is the message to call him a messenger? A messenger without message. He removed couple verses with his theory that he worked out and given the support of hadith of Ali alleged son in law of Mohamed."

AND to know your response on it
A true honest man will walks the talk
He will admit his mistake and regrets his false statement
NOT to find an unrelated excuse or diverge to another issue to cover up his mistake!

Sorry my friend!
Just sharing my take!

Ends.

[jkhan]

Hi the "honest" man!
My previous posting just to correct your statement on #Reply 31, i.e.

AND to know your response on it
A true honest man will walks the talk
He will admit his mistake and regrets his false statement
NOT to find an unrelated excuse or diverge to another issue to cover up his mistake!

Sorry my friend!
Just sharing my take!

Ends.

I think you are stranded in a no-man's land, and unfortunately, I don't know in which land you are stuck; otherwise, I could have airlifted you.

What mistake did I make knowingly or unknowingly that I regret?
I never cover anything, and it is not my trait, and if you have fallen to believe so, I can't amend you... But let me tell you something. In my Lord's attribute, if I play and cover up and if my intent is to misguide people intentionally, let Him alienate (lanat) me like He alienated many on this Earth.. Doesn't He know my intention? Of course, He knows..
Why are you worried about my personal things in your own assumption, and why not reflect on what I write on the topic here? Bring answers to what I write, isn't that enough?

[shukri]

My friend!
Your statement in this #Reply 31 is not correct
You said Rashad was a messenger without real/tangible messages (duties)

Than I gave you the list of the principal duties of Rashad as God's Messenger of the Covenant:

Unveil and proclaim the Quran's mathematical miracle
Expose and remove the two false verses 9:128-129 from the Quran
Explain the purpose of our lives; why we are here
Proclaim one religion for all the people, and point out and purge away all the corruptions afflicting Judaism, Christianity, and Islam
Proclaim that Zakat (obligatory charity) is a prerequisite for redemption (7:156), and explain the correct method of observing Zakat
Unveil the end of the world
Proclaim that those who die before the age of 40 go to Heaven
Explain Jesus' death
Explain the Quran's delivery to, then through Muhammad
Announce that Muhammad wrote God's revelations (the Quran) with his own hand
Explain why most believers in God do not make it to Heaven
Proclaim that God never ordered Abraham to kill his son
Proclaim the secret of perfect happiness
Establish a criminal justice system

With this list, your claim that Rashad was a God's messenger without real/tangible messages/duties becomes null and void
A.K.A. your statement on #Reply 31 was a false statement!
And you should admit it!
Don't you!

[jkhan]

I won't respond to hypocritical claims.. Just read my answer and it has all it takes to what you brought..

[shukri]

Sorry brother!

I just want you to "stay" honest in this forum!

God bless you.

[jkhan]

Honesty can be judged by an honest man only..

Would you pls not waste time for the sake of readers here.. They have no time to go through all these..

[jkhan]

I gave you the list of the principal duties of Rashad as God's Messenger of the Covenant:

Unveil and proclaim the Quran's mathematical miracle
Expose and remove the two false verses 9:128-129 from the Quran
Explain the purpose of our lives; why we are here
Proclaim one religion for all the people, and point out and purge away all the corruptions afflicting Judaism, Christianity, and Islam
Proclaim that Zakat (obligatory charity) is a prerequisite for redemption (7:156), and explain the correct method of observing Zakat
Unveil the end of the world
Proclaim that those who die before the age of 40 go to Heaven
Explain Jesus' death
Explain the Quran's delivery to, then through Muhammad
Announce that Muhammad wrote God's revelations (the Quran) with his own hand
Explain why most believers in God do not make it to Heaven
Proclaim that God never ordered Abraham to kill his son
Proclaim the secret of perfect happiness
Establish a criminal justice system

Here we go, these are the messages of RK so that he claimed he was a messenger..

Let's take one of RK's messages.. for example, Zakat..
So Zakat is the message of RK, and he only confirmed zakat.. Prophet Mohamed never confirmed what Zakat was to his people..
Did RK or you even know what Zakat is in Al Quran? RK had no clue what Zakat is in Al Quran, if one reads his translation, who comprehended what Zakat is.. There are people who know on this very earth through Al Quran alone what Zakat means.. that's not the topic here anyway..

Ask yourself .. Why RK has to confirm what Zakat is, even hypothetically he has confirmed, how can it be a MESSAGE of Allah..
The one who argues with me doesn't even know what a Messenger is and what is the message of Allah, and, what exploration of a person and what discoveries are out of explorations?.. that's horrible..

Is the one who landed on the Moon a messenger of Allah, cus he is the one who made the chapter 54:1 confirmed?     but according to you, lol

[shukri]

Here we go, these are the messages of RK so that he claimed he was a messenger..

AND so on ...

My friend!

Please take note of what is written on Reply #39 ...
i.e. The list of the principal duties of God's Messenger of the Covenant is meant just for your info, meaning NOT for discussion!

AND Reply #28 ...
"This is my last post on this thread
Since there is a gap between us in translating/understanding the Quran verses
It seems pointless for us to continue, I suppose!"

Sorry sir!
Thank you.

Have a nice day!

[jkhan]

10:15 Sahih International: And when Our verses are recited to them as clear evidences, those who do not expect the meeting with Us say, "Bring us a Qur'an other than this or change it." Say, [O Muhammad], "It is not for me to change it on my own accord. I only follow what is revealed to me. Indeed I fear, if I should disobey my Lord, the punishment of a tremendous Day."

I just bring anyone's translations since you are familiar.. note that..
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Okay.. Messenger of Al Quran denied to CHANGE on his own ACCORD, but RK changed the Quran on his own accord merely cus it doesn't tally with the numeric pattern, thus his theory prevailed over what Allah revealed.
Bring us a Quran other than this - Yes RK has brought
Or change it - Yes RK has changed it