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IS ALCOHOL REALLY FORBIDEN ISLAM

Started by centi50, February 19, 2025, 06:04:56 PM

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centi50

Salam to all,

I have not come across verses that are prohibited in the Quran.

Can someone show me the verse that ALCOHOL is forbidden or intoxicant broadly6

God bless you all

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centi50

Quote from: Emre_1974tr on February 19, 2025, 07:58:54 PMHi;

ACCORDING TO THE QURAN , ALCOHOL IS NOT HARAM, IT IS "CONDITIONAL HALAL":

https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9610016.msg412732#msg412732


Salam Emre,

I concur the same coz I didn't fine one clear verse forbidding and yet God prohibited many things and alcohol is not one of them


God bless you

Wakas

peace,

Many think that there is a magic word in Quran used for making something forbidden, e.g. haram. They seem to be under the impression it is the strongest word God can use.

We all know swine flesh is haram yet it is allowed if we are desperate/starving. So is "haram" really the strongest word God can use?

Here are three articles for balance:
https://www.quransmessage.com/articles/intoxication%20FM3.htm
https://misconceptions-about-islam.com/misconception.php?id=10
https://submission.org/Intoxicants.html

We are to avoid intoxication. Intoxicating amount will differ among people so it is a dangerous path to be on hence the wise advice in Quran.
In my understanding in practical use this would likely mean the substance alcohol etc could be used if it is a minor ingredient in things, e.g. cough syrup, mouthwash, medicines etc, or wine in cooking sauces may be ok for example.
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Fusion

The Quran does not use the word haram for khamr like it does for pork or blood, but it strongly warns against it. It calls khamr filth and Satan's handiwork (5:90) and tells believers to avoid it because it leads to harm and distraction from God (5:91). If it were truly conditional halal, the Quran would explain when and how it is safe, just like it defines lawful relations in marriage and when eating prohibited food is allowed in emergencies. Instead, the Quran repeatedly discourages khamr without providing any safe limits. 5:93 does not make khamr permissible; it reassures past drinkers that their previous actions are not sinful as long as they now believe and do good. The Quran teaches wisdom, not just black-and-white legal rulings. Avoiding harm is part of that wisdom.

But just out of curiosity, those here who argue that khamr is conditionally halal, do they personally drink it under these so-called conditions? If yes, what makes them confident they are meeting the "right" conditions? If not, why avoid something they believe is allowed?

5:93
Those who believe and do good shall not be blamed for what they may have taken before. If in future they refrain from eating what is unlawful, continue to believe, do good and adhere to Allah's laws, they will lead a virtuous life. Allah likes those who lead such lives.
Best Regards,

Emre_1974tr

Quote from: centi50 on February 20, 2025, 06:21:51 AMSalam Emre,

I concur the same coz I didn't fine one clear verse forbidding and yet God prohibited many things and alcohol is not one of them


God bless you


The same applies to gambling. Buying a lottery ticket for New Year's or occasionally participating in other draws is permissible.

Salam
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centi50

Quote from: Wakas on February 20, 2025, 10:43:23 AMpeace,

Many think that there is a magic word in Quran used for making something forbidden, e.g. haram. They seem to be under the impression it is the strongest word God can use.

We all know swine flesh is haram yet it is allowed if we are desperate/starving. So is "haram" really the strongest word God can use?

Here are three articles for balance:
https://www.quransmessage.com/articles/intoxication%20FM3.htm
https://misconceptions-about-islam.com/misconception.php?id=10
https://submission.org/Intoxicants.html

We are to avoid intoxication. Intoxicating amount will differ among people so it is a dangerous path to be on hence the wise advice in Quran.
In my understanding in practical use this would likely mean the substance alcohol etc could be used if it is a minor ingredient in things, e.g. cough syrup, mouthwash, medicines etc, or wine in cooking sauces may be ok for example.


Salam wakas

I agree with alcohol as substance is not banned but it's being intoxicated to level you are out of control and u don't know what you doing. And yes the level of intoxication differs with people. One can drink a bottle of beer and he is OK the other just one bottle and his mind is fogged and does not know what he is doing and speech gets heavier


God bless all

Anoushirvan

Alcohol is certainly forbidden in Islam.
Whether it is forbidden to the same degree in Qur'an is unclear.


First of all, we should remember that even though the word alcohol has Arabic origins, the substance itself was discovered two centuries after Qur'an.

People at the time Qur'an was initially preached didn't know alcohol. They knew wine from grapes or dates, or beer.

They knew also the distinction between being drunk and being sober.

And of course, they knew that drinking too much wine or beer makes you intoxicated.

According to Islamic tradition, Arabs of the Jahaliya used to drink too much wine and come to salat intoxicated, which prompted God in Qur'an to progressively forbid drinking wine as well as come intoxicated to salat.

However, there is no proof that Arabs in the 7th CE before Qur'an were drunkards.

In fact, I suspect that some Arab traditions already banned wine for religious reasons well before Qur'an.

The reason is that Manichaeism was well spread in Middle East, and it forbade wine, at least for the high priests.

Manichaeism forbade wine not really because wine was an intoxicant but because of its taste, bitter or sour, which reminded how evil is this lowly world.

Coming back to Qur'an, it is "khamr" that is advised to avoid, because there is some good in it but greater evil.

Now, does khamr in Qur'an mean wine and intoxicating drinks ?

Well, if you carefully read the verses warning against khamr, they don't say this is something that is drunk or even consumed.
Khamr is also listed together with other mysterious magic practices, like mayssir or azlam.
They, also, are best avoided in the same way as khamr.

Therefore, if Qur'an warns against khamr, but not totally forbidding it, it is in relation to magic practices, not because it is intoxicating.

So I think we have two options here.

Option 1: khamr is wine, but it's use is discouraged when it's related to ritual practices.
E.g. during the mass in the Catholic church.

Therefore warning against khamr would be an attack against some Christian rituals using wine, where wine represents Jesus' blood.

Option 2 (mine): khamr didn't mean wine here.
In fact, I believe it was not the Arabic word khamr, but the Syriac word khumra.

And khumra in Syriac means amulet, or a kind of amulet.
And now we have a rational explanation why khumra is listed along other magic practices in which there is evil, and therefore should be avoided.