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So is it twice a day or three times for prayer?

Started by Ervin, October 01, 2024, 02:53:58 AM

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Ervin

Peace. I've been going through this section looking for explanations of how to pray, I even asked in another thread people to briefly explain how they pray.

In looking at this section of the forum all I found was pretty much discussions about if salat is ritual prayer or not.
Ablution is easy to understand in the Quran, so no need to explain it.

But anyway, I see some say you are supposed to pray two times, some say three times. So what do you think and why?

Thanks

My real name is also Ervin

Wakas

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Euphoric

al-Salat is a ritual, salat on its own can mean different things depending on the content.

But when it is mentioned as AL-SALAT it is speaking about the ritual.

There is no set number of the ritual al-Salat for Muslims, you can do it whenever and as many times you like.

The timings were specifically only for the Muminin

Q4:103 Indeed, al-Salat is on the MUMININ prescribed (at) fixed times.

There are no times prescribed for the Muslims.

Salam.

Quote from: Ervin on October 01, 2024, 02:53:58 AMPeace. I've been going through this section looking for explanations of how to pray, I even asked in another thread people to briefly explain how they pray.

In looking at this section of the forum all I found was pretty much discussions about if salat is ritual prayer or not.
Ablution is easy to understand in the Quran, so no need to explain it.

But anyway, I see some say you are supposed to pray two times, some say three times. So what do you think and why?

Thanks



shukri

Salam Ervin

Formerly I used to pray 5 times a day as Rashad Khalifa did
But now only 3 times a day

Since the Quran do not specify how to observe salat
I just do it without rakaat
But with standing, ruku' and sujud as these words are familiar in the Quran
Reciting whatever i wish in Arabic (especially Quran verse which i know the meaning of it)
And other recitations I done in my own mother tongue
I just concentrate on "khusyuk" and behave myself before God

I take this website as my best guidance concerning salat (39:18):
https://www.quran-islam.org/main_topics/islam/pillars/number_of_salat_(P1200).html

Note:
1. Although i believe Rashad Khalifa was the God's messenger of the covenant (3:81)
But he reminded us to follow the Quran alone, not him per se! ... Link: https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606178.0
2. I believe if the Quran does not specify how to observe salat, we just do it according to our wisdom and don't be like Israelites
asking Moses about the heifer to sacrifice! (2:67-71) ... No hardship in practicing religion (22:78)!
3. "Khusyuk" is a word used to describe reverence of the physical and mind in observing salat

Just my take!
Thank you.
"My Lord, pardon me if I have forgotten or erred"

Emre_1974tr

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shukri

Quote from: Emre_1974tr on October 02, 2024, 05:10:06 AMHello, all the details of worship, including salaat, are present in the Quran:

https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9611629.0
Thanks for the link!

Bro Emre,
I guess you are expert in using the latest ChatGPT
Can you give me a favour by asking Ai about salat according to the Quran alone
Is it a ritual practice?
And how many times per day?

Just for my curiosity!

God bless you.
"My Lord, pardon me if I have forgotten or erred"

Emre_1974tr

Quote from: shukri on October 02, 2024, 11:18:17 AMThanks for the link!

Bro Emre,
I guess you are expert in using the latest ChatGPT
Can you give me a favour by asking Ai about salat according to the Quran alone
Is it a ritual practice?
And how many times per day?

Just for my curiosity!

God bless you.

Answer of GPT 4o:

"According to the Quran alone, the concept of salat is often understood as a form of prayer or connection to God. However, its interpretation and whether it is a ritual practice and how often it should be performed have been the subject of debate among Quranists (those who rely solely on the Quran for religious practices) and other Islamic scholars.

Here's a breakdown based on the Quran alone:

1. Salat as a Ritual Practice
In the Quran, salat is frequently mentioned in the context of prayer and worship. It involves devotion, remembrance, and communication with God.
Some verses describe physical actions associated with salat, such as standing, bowing, and prostrating (e.g., Quran 4:102 and Quran 22:26), which indicate that it can be understood as a ritualized form of worship.
However, the Quran does not explicitly provide a step-by-step guide to the rituals, such as the specific physical movements or the exact words to recite, which are detailed in Hadith literature. This has led to various interpretations.

2. Frequency of Salat
The Quran provides guidance on times of salat, but it does not explicitly mention the number "five times a day," which is commonly practiced in mainstream Islam based on Hadith.

Some key verses suggest salat should be performed at specific times:

Quran 11:114 – "Establish salat at the two ends of the day and in some hours of the night..."

This verse suggests at least three general time periods for prayer: morning, evening, and night.
Quran 17:78 – "Establish salat at the decline of the sun until the darkness of the night, and the Qur'an at dawn..."

This verse refers to prayer during the decline of the sun (afternoon), darkness of the night, and dawn.
Quran 20:130 – "So be patient over what they say and glorify your Lord with praise before the rising of the sun and before its setting, and glorify Him during periods of the night and at the ends of the day..."

This indicates times before sunrise, before sunset, and during the night.
Quran 24:58 – Refers to three times of privacy: before dawn, at noon, and after evening prayer, hinting at additional periods of prayer.

Summary:

Is salat a ritual practice? According to the Quran, salat appears to involve physical acts of devotion (standing, bowing, and prostrating), which suggests it can be understood as a ritual.

How many times a day? The Quran alone seems to indicate at least three times for salat: morning, evening, and night. However, some verses point to the possibility of additional prayers.
The common practice of five daily prayers in mainstream Islam is derived from Hadith literature, not directly from the Quran."

GPT 4o
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shukri

Marvelous!👍
Thanks my dear Emre and GPT 4o!
God bless you.

Quran guidance:
39:18 They are the ones who examine all words, then follow the best. These are the ones whom God has guided; these are the ones who possess intelligence.

So long!
"My Lord, pardon me if I have forgotten or erred"

Wakas

peace shukri,

With regard to timings if you find a better article than this I will be very surprised:
https://mypercept.co.uk/articles/salat-timings-Quran.html

I posted it on this forum and offered $$$ for every error/flaw found. One person found a spelling mistake, that's it so far:
https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9610977.0
All information in my posts is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should seek knowledge and verify: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11. [url="http://mypercept.co.uk/articles/"]My articles[/url]

[url="//www.studyquran.org"]www.studyQuran.org[/url]

shukri

Quote from: Wakas on October 03, 2024, 04:07:51 PMpeace shukri,

With regard to timings if you find a better article than this I will be very surprised:
https://mypercept.co.uk/articles/salat-timings-Quran.html

I posted it on this forum and offered $$$ for every error/flaw found. One person found a spelling mistake, that's it so far:
https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9610977.0
Thanks brother Wakas for the link
I have a glance on it
And it looks very comprehensive analysis

Since there is a lot of cross reference
I need time to ponder on it
And i will respond, if any

Also i interested to study the link you provided such as:

"The following are some typical examples of articles arguing for 5 daily salat from The Quran:
A) Joseph Islam: http://quransmessage.com/articles/the%20five%20prayers%20from%20the%20quran%20FM3.htm (accessed Feb 9th 2014)
B) Muhammad Shaikh: http://muhammadshaikh.com/english_pdf/salah_prayer.pdf
C) Rashad Khalifa et al: http://submission.org/Where_can_we_find_Salah.html (very brief content regarding the timings)
D) Dr Ahmad Subhy Mansour http://www.ahl-alquran.com/English/show_article.php?main_id=8297
etc."

Very useful indeed for me
And I think this is the time i should relook into this matter again
And win your $$$, ahem!  :)

Salam.
"My Lord, pardon me if I have forgotten or erred"