So is it twice a day or three times for prayer?

[shukri]

The straight path is in the Al Quran, but do we follow a straight path from the Al Quran or lean toward invented paths? If Quran says 2+2=4 and if we say 5 then we don't follow the straight path you refer buddy. How did we get 5 is the question mark, and can we call 5 as a straight path and follow till death and hope for better? Until you find 2+2=4, you are not following the straight path from the book called Al Quran. The unresolved mystery is, why do we choose 5 instead of 4 and be happy with 5 leaving the right option of 4? And why does Allah let those who have chosen 5, remain in 5?

Yes, the people who believe salat is ritual fully believed that the proof with them like 2+2=4
And the proof with you lean towards 2+2=5
How to solve that!

[good logic]

Salam JinnJinn.

Ya, some keep repeating " If one does not understand Arabic , one cannot understand Qoran"!

I keep saying"GOD teaches and explains Qoran" regardless of the language.

Or may be it helps  when one does not even use any language-for the straight path- like:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ZVFarL_JwsA

Oh and I also keep saying the straight path and peace are the main message. So it does not matter how one understands Salat or does rituals or goes to the gym or plays snooker or...
 One does what benefits their bodies and soul according to their own understanding also.

So why are we not accepting that people have their own faculties and are responsible for their use.
Or are we expecting people to follow our own reasoning and understanding?

So live and let others live if they are good and peaceful.
That is what Qoran says to me and that is the most important of all sayings.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

[JinnJinn]

Salam JinnJinn.

Ya, some keep repeating " If one does not understand Arabic , one cannot understand Qoran"!

I keep saying"GOD teaches and explains Qoran" regardless of the language.

Or may be it helps  when one does not even use any language-for the straight path- like:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ZVFarL_JwsA

Oh and I also keep saying the straight path and peace are the main message. So it does not matter how one understands Salat or does rituals or goes to the gym or plays snooker or...
 One does what benefits their bodies and soul according to their own understanding also.

So why are we not accepting that people have their own faculties and are responsible for their use.
Or are we expecting people to follow our own reasoning and understanding?

So live and let others live if they are good and peaceful.
That is what Qoran says to me and that is the most important of all sayings.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

Hey fella, good evening!
Arabic is mandatory to understand Al Quran. After all it is a language that you don't speak, on top of that it is in ancient tone. If you read translation and deduce that you don't possibly need to know Arabic to understand Al Quran then it is false postulation and you will rely on translation and translation is not Al Quran. By this, I am not compelling you to learn Arabic first prior to understanding Al Quran. But know the fundamental stature of the language and approach for a comprehensive dictionary and take every word into consideration when and where applicable take into consideration context and leave all translations aside in the process. That would help. Whatever, I am not your guide or disposer of affairs. Figure it out.

Secondly, it's not about whether I am right, or you are right, nevertheless it is about what is right, and what is fact and what is right is one, a single concept and it won't change from the book for everyone with their own reasoning, but the fact will remain as fact. That's the pinnacle of destination you have to approach.

For instance, Traditional Sunnah and Hadith followers claim is 'Obey Allah and obey Rasool' is two segments, and in case if you are against it then you are against their reasoning. They would possibly, say why you involve with our own reason? That's how they have understood it and they are afraid to step out of their understanding. So, they follow what they follow with their own reasoning leaving all pieces of advice null and void compared to their reasoning.
Don't think reasoning is always on the right track. Everyone can reason and reason to its finest, but the guidance of Allah only can take the reasoning towards the facts of Allah. You are not different from those who are traditional Muslims. You are not allowing the guidance of Allah to reach with your reasoning. You highlight your reasoning above all and blur the guidance of Allah. It won't work out in that manner. That's why you follow rituals as you claim and substantiate them. You don't allow the guidance of Allah, and you think your reasoning is better than the guidance of Allah, but you don't perceive it since you don't open your door.

Yes, the people who believe salat is ritual fully believed that the proof with them like 2+2=4
And the proof with you lean towards 2+2=5
How to solve that!

Good evening, Boyo, Shukri!
Hey Sorry, your nickname is Shukri and I corrected it.
If 2+2 = 4 for you traditional people, then why pray 2 times a day or 3 times a day or 5 times a day? Why three sects? Who is right here? Is it difficult to figure out how many times you have to pray daily?

[shukri]

Hey Sorry, your nickname is Shukri and I corrected it.
If 2+2 = 4 for you traditional people, then why pray 2 times a day or 3 times a day or 5 times a day? Why three sects? Who is right here? Is it difficult to figure out how many times you have to pray daily?

Salam Jinn²

Not that difficult
God has given me solution
See my previous Reply #36

Reply #36
Yes, we had different view on salat
I think that's okay brother as long as we take verse 39:18 as our guidance
39:18 They are the ones who examine all words, then follow the best. These are the ones whom God has guided; these are the ones who possess intelligence.

After examining all words/views based on the Quran alone, I choose to pray 3 times a day
That is the best thing I can do!

Now we go back to my question on Reply #40

Reply #40
Yes, the people who believe salat is ritual fully believed that the proof with them like 2+2=4
And the proof with you lean towards 2+2=5
How to solve that!

Do you ponder other opinions before you decide to take salat as non-ritual practice, etc.
OR you just take it solely based on your studying the Quran on your own
And then you fully believe without doubt that you are on the straight path!

Sorry brother
I'm just interested to know your approach in understanding the Quranic teaching, our ultimate guidance
God bless you!

Thank you.

[JinnJinn]

Salam Jinn²

Not that difficult
God has given me solution
See my previous Reply #36

Reply #36
Yes, we had different view on salat
I think that's okay brother as long as we take verse 39:18 as our guidance
39:18 They are the ones who examine all words, then follow the best. These are the ones whom God has guided; these are the ones who possess intelligence.

After examining all words/views based on the Quran alone, I choose to pray 3 times a day
That is the best thing I can do!

Now we go back to my question on Reply #40

Reply #40
Yes, the people who believe salat is ritual fully believed that the proof with them like 2+2=4
And the proof with you lean towards 2+2=5
How to solve that!

Do you ponder other opinions before you decide to take salat as non-ritual practice, etc.
OR you just take it solely based on your studying the Quran on your own
And then you fully believe without doubt that you are on the straight path!

Sorry brother
I'm just interested to know your approach in understanding the Quranic teaching, our ultimate guidance
God bless you!

Thank you.

Psychologically I get you very well. Change your attitude and be honest with your Lord. You never verified anything, but you practiced ever since you started practicing rituals and now trying to justify what you have been practicing in a different mode without evidence from the outset and desperate not being able to step out from the rituals that you love for quite a chunk of your life for no reason.
Hey, don't take the mentality of others to you in support of your view. That's a humongous error you are making. Just because you practice 3 times a day a ritual doesn't mean for those who practice for 5 times a day would seem sound. They would stone you to death if you keep saying this on their platforms. You can't speak these fragile wording in a society where those who practice 5 times a day and consider as the ultimate fact. So don't be dare to combine different sects into one and say 'it's okay' as if you guys are united as one group. Never. Never that would be possible as long as Satan is enemy to you.
You are curious on how I found the straight path. My advice to you and anyone who raises such a question is just leave every practice first and start fresh. Whatever you initiated from your childhood is not your option, but you were programmed to do so. Just step out from them and learn the book with utmost care and reasoning and wait for the guidance of Allah provided that, you are honest, you would surely get guided with what is fact from the book. If you are dishonest, you won't and you will remain in 2+2=5. To get guided from the book, you need to clear your invented and programmed path. Simply remove the indoctrination. You can't forge ahead keeping indoctrination in one hand and guidance in another hand. If you do so, you will inevitably mess it up and falter. That's what Satan wants. Mess up.
Did I say every practice and start fresh? Yes. For example, Mohamed and his people were idol worshipers directly. They could never have been guided if they didn't leave every practice of what they were used to and start fresh with the verses of Allah. You can't drag anything alongside with love of them. Your problem and people like your fellow member goodlogic's problem is you are dragging undesirable rituals alongside and brave enough to consider them as instructions of Allah. Still, you want guidance of Allah in your heart. Impossible. May Allah save you people. Finally, approach your Lord from ZERO, as He created you knowing nothing.
You definitely not have verified every verse of Al Quran to proudly state 39:18 as if it is your shield while you have other agendas that lead to nothingness while you perceive not. Because you are not ready to concede Allah's path and you find something wrong in His path while the invented path makes you happier.
Good night.

[shukri]

Psychologically I get you very well. Change your attitude and be honest with your Lord. You never verified anything, but you practiced ever since you started practicing rituals and now trying to justify what you have been practicing in a different mode without evidence from the outset and desperate not being able to step out from the rituals that you love for quite a chunk of your life for no reason.
Hey, don't take the mentality of others to you in support of your view. That's a humongous error you are making. Just because you practice 3 times a day a ritual doesn't mean for those who practice for 5 times a day would seem sound. They would stone you to death if you keep saying this on their platforms. You can't speak these fragile wording in a society where those who practice 5 times a day and consider as the ultimate fact. So don't be dare to combine different sects into one and say 'it's okay' as if you guys are united as one group. Never. Never that would be possible as long as Satan is enemy to you.
You are curious on how I found the straight path. My advice to you and anyone who raises such a question is just leave every practice first and start fresh. Whatever you initiated from your childhood is not your option, but you were programmed to do so. Just step out from them and learn the book with utmost care and reasoning and wait for the guidance of Allah provided that, you are honest, you would surely get guided with what is fact from the book. If you are dishonest, you won't and you will remain in 2+2=5. To get guided from the book, you need to clear your invented and programmed path. Simply remove the indoctrination. You can't forge ahead keeping indoctrination in one hand and guidance in another hand. If you do so, you will inevitably mess it up and falter. That's what Satan wants. Mess up.
Did I say every practice and start fresh? Yes. For example, Mohamed and his people were idol worshipers directly. They could never have been guided if they didn't leave every practice of what they were used to and start fresh with the verses of Allah. You can't drag anything alongside with love of them. Your problem and people like your fellow member goodlogic's problem is you are dragging undesirable rituals alongside and brave enough to consider them as instructions of Allah. Still, you want guidance of Allah in your heart. Impossible. May Allah save you people. Finally, approach your Lord from ZERO, as He created you knowing nothing.
You definitely not have verified every verse of Al Quran to proudly state 39:18 as if it is your shield while you have other agendas that lead to nothingness while you perceive not. Because you are not ready to concede Allah's path and you find something wrong in His path while the invented path makes you happier.
Good night.

Salam Jinn2

It's good!
You start your journey from zero and 100% rely on God to show you His path

I start from agnostic/atheist
And believe the existence of God and the Quran is the word of God through sign of "miracle-19" in verses 74:30-37

My last question for you:
Based on your Reply #31, do you still salat since the complete Quran is available with us now
And what type of salat you do, if any!

Reply #31
... there is no TIME for Sala, i.e. for INTERACTION or CONNECTION. There was TIME for Sala when they were not aware of the guidance, i.e. when people were in ignorance without messages of Allah. For instance, when the Al Quran was in the process of revealing, faithful folks had to attend salah whenever the Messenger called for sala i.e. for interaction and the Messenger's interaction was revealing/reciting/streaming only verses of Allah. The Messenger was not in a position to reach every individual to interact with, so he was compelled to assign a TIME for INTERACTION so it was the duty of the faithful lovely people to attend and get to know what the Quran was to offer for them through interaction. But as of now, you have the completed Al Quran and the Messenger left it for us.

Thank you.
Have a nice day!

[good logic]

Peace JinnJinn.

You may know some things , but I know you do not know what you say  here for sure, quote:

". After all it is a language that you don't speak,"

My evidence? I know for sure I now speak Arabic fluently and it is easy to check this.
Would you like us to meet, with some witnesses, and verify this?

This is a fact and you would be wrong to claim otherwise. I can prove it.
I had to correct you about this fact at least.

As for the rest of your post, it is always good to keep learning and above every knowledgeable human there is another human more knowledgeable and above all GOD has the perfect knowledge.

Thank you for the replies.
GOD bless you.
Peace.