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I think I've found who are dhul qarnayn and gog and magog in quran.

Started by himawari1793, February 14, 2025, 02:02:52 PM

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The Aggression of Gog and Magog
18:94 They said, "O Two Eras, Gog and Magog are destroyers of the land, and so shall we make a tribute for you that you will make between us and them a barrier?"*
18:95 He said, "What my Lord has given me is far better. So help me with strength and I will make between you and them a barrier."
18:96 "Bring me iron ore." Until he leveled between the two walls, he said, "Blow," until he made it a furnace, he said, "Bring me tar so I can pour it over."
18:97 So they could not come over it, and they could not make a hole in it. 212
18:98 He said, "This is a mercy from my Lord. But when the promise of my Lord comes, He will make it rubble. The promise of my Lord is truth."
18:99 We left them till that day to surge like waves on one another. The horn was blown so We gathered them together. 




dhul qarnayn, or "the man of the two eras," is the man who transitioned the times from the Bronze Age to the Iron Age

and
Barrier referred to in 18:95 means iron weapons and armor

and
to put iron between the two walls(but i think actual meaning is highest place, read below), and blow it, and pour tar in 18:96. it's reminiscent of the process of making steel in a steel mill
The main component of tar is carbon(Steel is made by adding carbon to molten iron), and wind to blow is reminiscent of Bellows,
And in 18:96, so-called 'two mountain', the root of the word الصَّدَفَيْنِ translated as "two mountains" is ص د ف,
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D8%B5%D8%AF%D9%81
According to Wikipedia, the noun-type meaning of ص د ف means 'the highest place' in addition to the meaning of mountains
It's reminiscent of putting iron ore at the top of an iron-making furnace

And gogs and magogs seem to mean cavalry looters, because when the time mankind started farming, there are two armies that the army of looters who had superior mobility through cavalry and chariot, and for the farmers against the army of these cavalry looters who barely had weapons bronze spears and shields and bows, which were very expensive and rare in raw materials.
And so in beginning of ancient India, Egypt, Mesopotamia, China and all other farming lands, the ruling class was always the cavalry looters, but when civilizations entered the Iron Age, even ordinary farmers were able to have a high-quality arm by cheap price of iron weapons and armors, so that farmers could have an upper hand against the looters, and countries representing the position of the peasants emerged.

For example, the first three dynasties in ancient China were all founded by cavalry looters who came down from the northern lands, and after the Iron Age, the dynasties started to form around the agricultural people.



And at 18:98, dhul qarnayn said that what he made would be useless, and at 18:99, gog and magog would collide with each other

I think it means that when advanced weapons such as gunpowder and lasers develop, even metal-based weapons become useless, and when the army of looters based on superior mobility becomes completely useless, they cannot loot innocent people who only defend themselves, they attack each other.

in entire human history, countries that doing unjust wars are always based on "mobility, hit and run, shooting at long distances" by cavalry, chariot, tanks, long-range guided missiles, etc.
and the ongoing war of Russia and Israel, and George Bush's invasion of Iraq, and the Nazi Germany's World War II, etc....
all of Their tactic have common things that ancient Greeks called the "Parthian Shot" has continued into modern times.


Throughout history, it was actully impossible for the army of a country in an unjust war to consist mainly of infantry.
In a country composed of people who are cowardly enough to allow their country to wage evil wars, that cowardly people do not go directly to the battlefield, and they always arms a small number of brave human trashs by cavalry, chariots, tanks. and waging war

We've seen in the last three years that Russia and Israel can't advance even 1m without charging hundreds of tanks and fighter jets, and we've seen the same thing when the U.S. invaded Iraq and Hitler started the World War.
and these three empires are always troubling by deficiency of infantry. even in george bush's invasion of iraq, us army barely have 10,000 battle-affordable infantries 
The both evil conquests of Genghis Khan's mongol and the Umayyad's  were exactly the same. and hunnic empire and magyars too