The Quran a failed book written by Men

[centi50]

Salam to all,

This Christian apologetic is making a career of attacking the Quran and Islam.
He also claims Muhammad was Jesus

https://youtu.be/Bf5qCGZ1EcE

What do you guys have to say about his claims. He claims no Muslim wants to debate him

What would be you intake


God bless

[shukri]

Salam to all,

This Christian apologetic is making a career of attacking the Quran and Islam.
He also claims Muhammad was Jesus

https://youtu.be/Bf5qCGZ1EcE

What do you guys have to say about his claims. He claims no Muslim wants to debate him

What would be you intake
God bless

Salam centi50

I have been following his videos for the past several years
I personally very appreciate his commentary on various issues about the Quran and our faith
He and his evangelist fellow Mr. Al Fadi (ex-muslim from Saudi Arabia) on some occasions has given me something to reflect about our faith/religion
Thanks a lot Mr. Jay and Mr. Fadi for your contribution!

The links:
Jay Smith ... https://foclonline.org/users/jay-smith
Al Fadi ... https://cirainternational.com/

As a Muslim, I think we should respond to some important issues raised by them
AND as a start, I have contacted them and conveyed two brief messages for their attention/consideration, titled:
1. The true Mecca/Becca is in Petra
2. Al Quran is the word of God

I'm not a scholar to debate with them but we should convey any input/message which we think they may not be aware of!

May God show us a straight path!
All praise be to God!

Thank you.

[Mazhar]

He naively ignores as to what is Forensic Linguistics while building up his basic argument and stance.

[good logic]

Here is the true narrative that both Traditional Muslims and Jay Smith are not able to refute in their so called debate:
 True Islam is not the religion of the Traditional Muslims not is it an identity of any other religions like Christians , Judaism or any man made religion.

Islam is an attitude of mind and a way of life towards GOD our creator. It is GOD s only "religion" subscribed through all His prophets and messengers throughout the humans existence.

Mr Jay is right to criticise Traditional Islam that follows men s books -Hadiths- and contradicts /misinterprets Qoran. They have put themselves in a dire situation with their false interpretations and nonsense rules full of contradictions, hearsay and fables. They use Qoran for recitations and ceremonies and ignore or are ignorant of its true message.

Mr jay himself isolate verses out of context and claims he has Scientific evidence of a made up history and origin of Qoran.

Is he refuting Qoran and true Islam? He only thinks he is. he has no intention of studying Qoran sincerely, with honesty and solid knowledge. His agenda is to oppose and refute Traditional Islam.

Why are you putting true Islam and traditional Islam in the same religion brother centi50?

As far as I am concerned Jay Smith , his supporters along with traditional Islam and its supporters are both debating false religions. false history and false narratives. Nothing to do with GOD s true religion.
GOD bless you all.
Peace.

[JinnJinn]

He naively ignores as to what is Forensic Linguistics while building up his basic argument and stance.

Hey! I saw a post from you with some lovely girls and all of a sudden you talk about Quran argument. You must be a robot. Don't you? Or you are a psychopath?

[shukri]

Hey! I saw a post from you with some lovely girls and all of a sudden you talk about Quran argument. You must be a robot. Don't you? Or you are a psychopath?

Yes, in this forum we can meet different types of personalities
And the new one is the "Arab" jinn!

[Mazhar]

Hey! I saw a post from you with some lovely girls and all of a sudden you talk about Quran argument. You must be a robot. Don't you? Or you are a psychopath?

Where is that post? Or you just lied by commission?

[JinnJinn]

Where is that post? Or you just lied by commission?

Hey RoboMaza

[JinnJinn]

Yes, in this forum we can meet different types of personalities
And the new one is the "Arab" jinn!

[shukri]

As a Muslim, I think we should respond to some important issues raised by them
AND as a start, I have contacted them and conveyed two brief messages for their attention/consideration, titled:
1. The true Mecca/Becca is in Petra
2. Al Quran is the word of God

"Information Only"

Below are the copy paste of my messages to both of them:

1. The true Mecca/Becca is in Petra

To: Mr. Jay Smith/Al Fadi

I have seen a lot of Dan Gibson and your videos on the issue of the Masjidil Haram/Qibla during and after Muhammad's time
I believe you are very true that Makkah al-Mukarramah in Saudi Arabia is not the original place of Mecca/Becca where Muhammad was born
It is Petra in Jordan and the one in Makkah al-Mukarramah is a fake and unauthorised by God

I just watched your video "#28: FINALLY A Rock Inscription proves Mecca was "BUILT" late!" and  this information is a great discovery!
Thanks for the video!

Note:
If you don't mind, please go to this link: https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9611307.0

You will find that some Quranists (GOD alone, Quran alone) believed the authorised original Masjidil Haram/Qibla is situated in Petra, Jordan
AND the shift to unauthorised site is prophesied in the Quran via verses 9:107-110
Please see #Reply 15-18 on the link!

9:107 And there are those who have taken a temple/masjid to do harm and cause rejection, and to divide between the believers, and as an outpost for those who fought God and His messenger before. They will swear that they only wanted to do good, and God bears witness that they are liars.
9:108 Do not stand in it ever. A temple/masjid that is founded on righteousness from the first day is more worthy that you stand in it; in it are men who love to purify themselves. And God loves the purified.
9:109 Is he who founds his building on obtaining righteousness from God and His acceptance better, or he who founds his building on the edge of a cliff which is about to crumble, so that it crumbled with him into the fires of Hell? And God does not guide the wicked people.
9:110 Their buildings that they built continue to cause doubt in their hearts, until their hearts are severed. And God is Knowledgeable, Wise.

The mathematical analysis of verses 9:107-110 proves that your findings on this "shifting" issue of  Masjidil Haram/Qibla is very correct!
Anyway, this message is just for information only!

Thank you.

Glory be to God!

To be continued ...