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Started by centi50, August 04, 2024, 04:30:52 PM

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good logic

Peace centi50
You say, quote:
"God is telling the believers if they had a differed they should refer to The Messenger. This means he was not just postman. What I have difficulty in understanding is that the prophet was just a postman. He must have other role as a teacher. But I do reject that his explanation is find in the satanic books of hadiths."

So where are you going to find the messenger explanations then?
Is Qoran not giving you his explanations in: it:"They ask you about...Say: such and such..."?
GOD us giving the explanations in the book/scripture.

Study Qoran and believe GOD s words in it.GOD will teach and explain everything you need to know about how to redeem and save your soul in His scripture. .
GOD bless you.
Peace.
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centi50

Quote from: good logic on September 06, 2024, 05:18:03 PMPeace centi50
You say, quote:
"God is telling the believers if they had a differed they should refer to The Messenger. This means he was not just postman. What I have difficulty in understanding is that the prophet was just a postman. He must have other role as a teacher. But I do reject that his explanation is find in the satanic books of hadiths."

So where are you going to find the messenger explanations then?
Is Qoran not giving you his explanations in: it:"They ask you about...Say: such and such..."?
GOD us giving the explanations in the book/scripture.

Study Qoran and believe GOD s words in it.GOD will teach and explain everything you need to know about how to redeem and save your soul in His scripture. .
GOD bless you.
Peace.


Salam bro,

I believe Quran has explanation but we have to agree there is not just straight forward.

Example is polygamy. Some say polygamy is allowed some say no and some say it allows but with widows who have children.

Here in free minds we have different opinions on what the Quran actually say.

Or maybe the earlier community of Muhammad did know everything on what the Quran commanded and didn't have these many interpretations as we have now even among the Quranist.

I think those earlier community did understand it much more clearer than us.

And needed no explanation coz the prophet could explain it.

Let me again clear. I don't believe the hadirh7is explaining the Quran.

I will settle with the thought that the community of Muhammad and those early years had more understanding of Quran than us.

There are many topics here in the forum that confuses me one of them is polygamy.


good logic

Peace centi50.

You say ,quote:

"Or maybe the earlier community of Muhammad did know everything on what the Quran commanded and didn't have these many interpretations as we have now even among the Quranist.
I think those earlier community did understand it much more clearer than us.
And needed no explanation coz the prophet could explain it."

Brother,every generation disputed and debated what Qoran said.
Qoran says to seek more knowledge, to keep studying and improving our understanding which means the journey will be ongoing and there will always be more questions about grasping Qoran.

Also GOD s role is made clear in Qoran .i,e He is the main teacher and explainer to the sincere heart and mind according to His knowledge /test of people.

There will always be differences and various interpretations. One can only do their best ,use their own faculties and keep trying to learn more ,persevere.
Do your best with what GOD gave you, be GOD conscious and seek GOD s help continuously . Implore Him for all your concerns and doubts.
It is more about how one leads their life , staying on the straight path is the most important task to get right.
For example, it does not matter what opinions say about polygamy. Qoran says it is better to marry only one to be able to be fair and just. So follow the best path indicated and keep on searching and learning.

GOD knows what you are going through, your honesty and effort to follow His scripture as best you can.

Even ,if others explain to you all the things you are confused about ,you still have to do your own checking and come to your own understanding conclusion.
GOD bless you.
Peace..
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centi50

Quote from: good logic on September 07, 2024, 03:28:39 PMPeace centi50.

You say ,quote:

"Or maybe the earlier community of Muhammad did know everything on what the Quran commanded and didn't have these many interpretations as we have now even among the Quranist.
I think those earlier community did understand it much more clearer than us.
And needed no explanation coz the prophet could explain it."

Brother,every generation disputed and debated what Qoran said.
Qoran says to seek more knowledge, to keep studying and improving our understanding which means the journey will be ongoing and there will always be more questions about grasping Qoran.

Also GOD s role is made clear in Qoran .i,e He is the main teacher and explainer to the sincere heart and mind according to His knowledge /test of people.

There will always be differences and various interpretations. One can only do their best ,use their own faculties and keep trying to learn more ,persevere.
Do your best with what GOD gave you, be GOD conscious and seek GOD s help continuously . Implore Him for all your concerns and doubts.
It is more about how one leads their life , staying on the straight path is the most important task to get right.
For example, it does not matter what opinions say about polygamy. Qoran says it is better to marry only one to be able to be fair and just. So follow the best path indicated and keep on searching and learning.

GOD knows what you are going through, your honesty and effort to follow His scripture as best you can.

Even ,if others explain to you all the things you are confused about ,you still have to do your own checking and come to your own understanding conclusion.
GOD bless you.
Peace..


Salam bro,

You said it's better to marry one, so you can be fair and just. So one is recommended? but u can marry more if U can be just. In another part of the Quran it's says man can never been just.

It seems its a contradiction to 4:3 which call for more than one unless the marry in 4:3 means marry off and mathan, thulatha and Ruba does not mean 2,3 and 4.


I have read so many views in here untill my head spins.

What is your take on polygamy. Is it prohibited or allowed under certain circumstances.

God bless

Bajram Hoxhaj

Quote from: centi50 on September 06, 2024, 12:17:40 PMSalam bro,

An-Nisa' 4:59
O you who have believed, obey Allāh and obey the Messenger and those in authority among you. And if you disagree over anything, refer it to Allāh and the Messenger, if you should believe in Allāh and the Last Day. That is the best [way] and best in result.
Salaam,

"Hearken," meaning to give respectful attention, is closer in meaning. He didn't merely quote the Qur'an; he also used it to rule and advise, as seen in the case of the wealthy man's inheritance and his daughter.

Hadith is similar to history, much like the accounts of Alexander the Great written centuries after his death, often containing embellishment, propaganda, and bias. The most widely circulated stories are usually the most questionable, as seen in modern conflicts like Gaza, where narratives are shaped by the 'spin' they're trying to promote. Similarly, the most widely narrated Hadiths include:

Hadith al-Thaqalayn (The Two Weighty Things): "I am leaving among you two weighty things: the Book of Allah and my Ahl al-Bayt (family)."

Hadith al-Isra wal-Mi'raj (The Night Journey): Negotiating 50 daily prayers down to 5.

good logic

Peace centi50.

According to your own understanding of the verses, what do you think Qoran is saying to you?

That is how I tackle Qoran first. Of course you can compare with other interpretations and choose the best that agrees with your own conclusion or keep on hold.

Now, according to my own understanding of Qoran on marriage, it is giving options and advising the best ways.

These are the options:
Adults who have reached maturity/age of responsibility should marry  with consent of both families and an agreement from both partners.
Or . be patient if you cannot afford to and prepare for it . Do it when  ready financially and mentally/emotionally...

Qoran says to be fair and just , one partner is better. It is easier to agree/communicate/run a united family with one spouse. The more wives(or the more husbands also) the more complicated life will be

Remember marriage needs securities and rules to work. Both partners work /contribute to marriage. To be secure financially, mentally and serious /honest/ respectful of the agreements/rules.

Don t you think marriage will be complex and more difficult to manage if one adds more partners?

Qoran is not telling us to marry or stay celibate or marry two three or four  wives.
 
Qoran is saying it is better for adults to marry( and you can only be more/better fair /just with only one partner) and bring up your family with GOD s system/ways/straight path or follow your whims if you choose to.GOD has given us the freedom of choice and never forces anything on us.

So ,what do you want to do yourself? Read the verses, analyse and compare with what others say and choose according to your own conclusion brother.
Thank you.
GOD bless you.
Peace.
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centi50

Quote from: good logic on September 08, 2024, 07:32:55 AMPeace centi50.

According to your understanding of the verses, what do you think Qoran is saying to you?

That is how I tackle Qoran first. Of course, you can compare with other interpretations and choose the best that agrees with your conclusion or keep it on hold.

Now, according to my understanding of Qoran on marriage, it is giving options and advising the best ways.

These are the options:
Adults who have reached maturity/age of responsibility should marry with the consent of both families and an agreement from both partners.
Or . be patient if you cannot afford to and prepare for it. Do it when ready financially and mentally/emotionally...

Qoran says to be fair and just, one partner is better. It is easier to agree/communicate/run a united family with one spouse. The more wives(or the more husbands also) the more complicated life will be

Remember marriage needs securities and rules to work. Both partners work /contribute to marriage. To be secure financially, mentally and seriously/honestly/ respectful of the agreements/rules.

Do t you think marriage will be complex and more difficult to manage if one adds more partners?

Qoran is not telling us to marry or stay celibate or marry two, three, or four wives.
 
Qoran is saying adults should marry ( and you can only be more/better fair /just with only one partner) and bring up your family with GOD's system/ways/straight path or follow your whims if you choose to.GOD has given us the freedom of choice and never forces anything on us.

So, what do you want to do yourself? Read the verses, analyse and compare with what others say and choose according to your conclusion brother.
Thank you.
GOD bless you.
Peace.
>:D


Salam bro,

I believe that polygamy has strict conditions that it must be for taking care of orphans. To marry the widow who has children to help.


But there is one verse I just don't know how to reconcile it with polygamy.



An-Nur 24:32

وَأَنكِحُوا۟ ٱلْأَيَٰمَىٰ مِنكُمْ وَٱلصَّٰلِحِينَ مِنْ عِبَادِكُمْ وَإِمَآئِكُمْۚ إِن يَكُونُوا۟ فُقَرَآءَ يُغْنِهِمُ ٱللَّهُ مِن فَضْلِهِۦۗ وَٱللَّهُ وَٰسِعٌ عَلِيمٌ


And marry the unmarried among you and the righteous among your male slaves and female slaves. If they should be poor, Allāh will enrich them with His bounty, and Allāh is all-encompassing and Knowing.

I am confused by the above verse. I take that we should marry only the single.

Now, if a woman marries a married man, she is breaking this commandment as it says married the single.


Unless here the the world Ankihu means to marry off and not marry

Another verse which makes my head hurt is

Is 4:129


An-Nisa' 4:129

وَلَن تَسْتَطِيعُوٓا۟ أَن تَعْدِلُوا۟ بَيْنَ ٱلنِّسَآءِ وَلَوْ حَرَصْتُمْۖ فَلَا تَمِيلُوا۟ كُلَّ ٱلْمَيْلِ فَتَذَرُوهَا كَٱلْمُعَلَّقَةِۚ وَإِن تُصْلِحُوا۟ وَتَتَّقُوا۟ فَإِنَّ ٱللَّهَ كَانَ غَفُورًا رَّحِيمًا


And you will never be able to be equal [in feeling] between wives, even if you should strive [to do so]. So do not incline completely [toward one] and leave another hanging.[1] And if you amend [your affairs] and fear Allāh - then indeed, Allāh is ever Forgiving and Merciful.


This verse is like contradicting 4:3 if I take 4:3 as a license of polygamy.

Or here Allah is referring to emotional just. As a human being, there is a tendency to love one more than the other, and it's about emotional just.


And what is mathna, thutha ruba. This can not mean one two and three. Maybe by twos by threes or two by two.

But If it means two by two three by three and four by four can it be you can have 4 wives or 6 wives or 8 wives.

Am so much confused

To tell you the truth I don't know the Quran says in regard to this topic.

Other members input will be appreciated also

God bless



Bajram Hoxhaj

Quote from: centi50 on September 08, 2024, 10:45:24 AMUnless here the the world Ankihu means to marry off and not marry

And what is mathna, thutha ruba. This can not mean one two and three. Maybe by twos by threes or two by two.

Salam,

4:3
twosome (paired) and three and four (all masculine)
so if fear you (pl.) that not thou equitable/justly ye of
fawāĥidatan/so unified (f) or what entrust right hands yours


address is the community likewise see 9 instances

2:213 'ummatan wāĥidatan - community unified or single (f)

34:46 say solely I advise you biwāĥidatin/in single (thought)
that thou stand ye of to God mathná/twosome and individually

28:27 said indeed I want that 'An 'Unkiĥaka

Work arrangement for those without the means to marry.
Similar to the Torah where Jacob marries Leah and Rachel.

centi50

Quote from: Bajram Hoxhaj on September 09, 2024, 03:31:44 AMSalam,

4:3
twosome (paired) and three and four (all masculine)
so if fear you (pl.) that not thou equitable/justly ye of
fawāĥidatan/so unified (f) or what entrust right hands yours


address is the community likewise see 9 instances

2:213 'ummatan wāĥidatan - community unified or single (f)

34:46 say solely I advise you biwāĥidatin/in single (thought)
that thou stand ye of to God mathná/twosome and individually

28:27 said indeed I want that 'An 'Unkiĥaka

Work arrangement for those without the means to marry.
Similar to the Torah where Jacob marries Leah and Rachel.

Salam bro,

What is addressing the community? For community to do what?

Can you translate the whole verse.

For men to marry twosome?

Please can you explain sell

God bless