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New Study confirms the Authenticity of Bukhari

Started by centi50, August 04, 2024, 04:30:52 PM

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centi50

Salam to all,

https://youtu.be/gDQ3I5A3Rkw

What do you people think about this video

I am just wondering how can a book contain so much contradicting narations in it be authentic.

We all know rumores and myths can be transmitted and believed en mass, just because many people say about a certain story does not mean the story is true.


What do you guys think

God bless all


Wakas

What the guy in the video is saying is the recension of Firabri matches very highly with the other recension, indicating reliability.
He doesn't clarify if he is comparing a full copy of sahih bukhari to a full copy. Also he makes some claims I'm not sure how accurate they are e.g. he claims sahih Bukhari was taught widely and praised soon as it was written, but that's not true according to Jonathan Brown.
p55 https://www.scribd.com/doc/119660399/dialogues-of-hadith-different-perceptions-and-insights

He also mentions Daraqutni as a supporter of sahih bukhari but thats not quite right as he did critique many of its hadith showing they did not meet sahih status technically.

None of his peers vouched for Firabri. I recommend people watch this video from here onwards:
https://youtu.be/X6SfFYRljeY?t=3861

All information in my posts is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should seek knowledge and verify: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11. [url="http://mypercept.co.uk/articles/"]My articles[/url]

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good logic

Peace All.
Here is how ,according to my knowledge of Qoran- Of course one has to check /study Qoran for verification-,the author of Qoran argues this point:

1- Only GOD the creator has the true narrative and His truth is the only source that can confirm the  authenticity of  GOD s religion.

2- Bukhari/any human s book comes from the knowledge of Bukhari/any human. Therefore it is a lesser knowledge than the original source of all knowledge. Therefore no other source can tell you the truth better than GOD and His words/book.

3-All humans have been taught what they know and their knowledge is not complete/perfect. Who taught the human - originally /still doing...the knowledge they acquire?
Therefore , if we have scripture/words from the original source, the original source supersedes and confirms all truths first and foremost.

4- If one believes Qoran is from GOD/Original source of all knowledge, then Qoran should be what confirms  all truths about GOD s religion. "Wala Yunabbiuka Mithlu Khabir"- None can give you the narrative/truths like GOD-
So the only question that remains about the authenticity of Bukhari or any other human book is:

What does Qoran say about any other source of GOD s religion/true Islam if not from GOD Alone?

This to me is the best and final argument about the authenticity of Bukhari.
Simply put, Bukhari/or any other human has no authority or role to add or partake in giving anything about GOD s religion.
If anyone says anything that agree with what GOD said, then GOD has already said it. If it disagrees/contradicts with what GOD said, then it is opposing GOD s religion.

Old or new of anything by humans study is irrelevant. Qoran s study is the one that should do the job.
GOD bless you all.
Peace.
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centi50

Quote from: good logic on August 06, 2024, 10:59:31 AMPeace All.
Here is how ,according to my knowledge of Qoran- Of course one has to check /study Qoran for verification-,the author of Qoran argues this point:

1- Only GOD the creator has the true narrative and His truth is the only source that can confirm the  authenticity of  GOD s religion.

2- Bukhari/any human s book comes from the knowledge of Bukhari/any human. Therefore it is a lesser knowledge than the original source of all knowledge. Therefore no other source can tell you the truth better than GOD and His words/book.

3-All humans have been taught what they know and their knowledge is not complete/perfect. Who taught the human - originally /still doing...the knowledge they acquire?
Therefore , if we have scripture/words from the original source, the original source supersedes and confirms all truths first and foremost.

4- If one believes Qoran is from GOD/Original source of all knowledge, then Qoran should be what confirms  all truths about GOD s religion. "Wala Yunabbiuka Mithlu Khabir"- None can give you the narrative/truths like GOD-
So the only question that remains about the authenticity of Bukhari or any other human book is:

What does Qoran say about any other source of GOD s religion/true Islam if not from GOD Alone?

This to me is the best and final argument about the authenticity of Bukhari.
Simply put, Bukhari/or any other human has no authority or role to add or partake in giving anything about GOD s religion.
If anyone says anything that agree with what GOD said, then GOD has already said it. If it disagrees/contradicts with what GOD said, then it is opposing GOD s religion.

Old or new of anything by humans study is irrelevant. Qoran s study is the one that should do the job.
GOD bless you all.
Peace.



Salam to Wakas and Good logic


Hadith proponents come with the below verse that the messengers including Muhammad were not post men. They were teaching the book and explaining the book


Al-Baqarah 2:129

رَبَّنَا وَٱبْعَثْ فِيهِمْ رَسُولًا مِّنْهُمْ يَتْلُوا۟ عَلَيْهِمْ ءَايَٰتِكَ وَيُعَلِّمُهُمُ ٱلْكِتَٰبَ وَٱلْحِكْمَةَ وَيُزَكِّيهِمْۚ إِنَّكَ أَنتَ ٱلْعَزِيزُ ٱلْحَكِيمُ



Our Lord, and send among them a messenger from themselves who will recite to them Your verses and teach them the Book and wisdom and purify them. Indeed, You are the Exalted in Might,[1] the Wise."


Al-Baqarah 2:151

كَمَآ أَرْسَلْنَا فِيكُمْ رَسُولًا مِّنكُمْ يَتْلُوا۟ عَلَيْكُمْ ءَايَٰتِنَا وَيُزَكِّيكُمْ وَيُعَلِّمُكُمُ ٱلْكِتَٰبَ وَٱلْحِكْمَةَ وَيُعَلِّمُكُم مَّا لَمْ تَكُونُوا۟ تَعْلَمُونَ


Just as We have sent among you a messenger from yourselves reciting to you Our verses and purifying you and teaching you the Book and wisdom[1] and teaching you that which you did not know.


Al-Jumu'ah 62:2

هُوَ ٱلَّذِى بَعَثَ فِى ٱلْأُمِّيِّۦنَ رَسُولًا مِّنْهُمْ يَتْلُوا۟ عَلَيْهِمْ ءَايَٰتِهِۦ وَيُزَكِّيهِمْ وَيُعَلِّمُهُمُ ٱلْكِتَٰبَ وَٱلْحِكْمَةَ وَإِن كَانُوا۟ مِن قَبْلُ لَفِى ضَلَٰلٍ مُّبِينٍ



It is He who has sent among the unlettered [Arabs] a Messenger from themselves reciting to them His verses and purifying them and teaching them the Book  and wisdom - although they were before in clear error


What would your argument be in the light of the above verses


God bless




Wakas

All information in my posts is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should seek knowledge and verify: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11. [url="http://mypercept.co.uk/articles/"]My articles[/url]

[url="//www.studyquran.org"]www.studyQuran.org[/url]

good logic

Peace centi50

Here is the key points from the verses you quoted, that can only mean from the source of the knowledge/wisdom ,the teaching is from GOD Alone mot from the rasoul.

1- رَسُولًا مِّنْهُمْيَ
2- يَتْلُوا۟ عَلَيْكُمْ ءَايَٰتِنَا   

Rasoul brings a message= يَتْلُوا۟ عَلَيْكُمْ ءَايَٰتِ from the source- Allah-

GOD has cemented His argument by calling His message Rasoul also:

O people of the scripture, our messenger has come to you to proclaim for you many things you have concealed in the scripture, and to pardon many other transgressions you have committed. A beacon has come to you from God, and a profound scripture.
يٰأَهلَ الكِتٰبِ قَد جاءَكُم رَسولُنا يُبَيِّنُ لَكُم كَثيرًا مِمّا كُنتُم تُخفونَ مِنَ الكِتٰبِ وَيَعفوا عَن كَثيرٍ قَد جاءَكُم مِنَ اللَّهِ نورٌ وَكِتٰبٌ مُبينٌ

With it, God guides those who seek His approval. He guides them to the paths of peace, leads them out of darkness into the light by His leave, and guides them in a straight path.
يَهدى بِهِ اللَّهُ مَنِ اتَّبَعَ رِضوٰنَهُ سُبُلَ السَّلٰمِ وَيُخرِجُهُم مِنَ الظُّلُمٰتِ إِلَى النّورِ بِإِذنِهِ وَيَهديهِم إِلىٰ صِرٰطٍ مُستَقيمٍ

Here GOD is saying this messenger- Qoran/scripture- does the same as any other messenger . i.e GOD s Ayat are the source of the teaching and wisdom.
This means GOD does the guiding,teaching and wisdom with His Ayats brought by the messenger..
GOD bless you.
Peace.
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centi50

Quote from: good logic on August 10, 2024, 04:41:00 PMPeace centi50

Here is the key points from the verses you quoted, that can only mean from the source of the knowledge/wisdom ,the teaching is from GOD Alone mot from the rasoul.

1- رَسُولًا مِّنْهُمْيَ
2- يَتْلُوا۟ عَلَيْكُمْ ءَايَٰتِنَا   

Rasoul brings a message= يَتْلُوا۟ عَلَيْكُمْ ءَايَٰتِ from the source- Allah-

GOD has cemented His argument by calling His message Rasoul also:

O people of the scripture, our messenger has come to you to proclaim for you many things you have concealed in the scripture, and to pardon many other transgressions you have committed. A beacon has come to you from God, and a profound scripture.
يٰأَهلَ الكِتٰبِ قَد جاءَكُم رَسولُنا يُبَيِّنُ لَكُم كَثيرًا مِمّا كُنتُم تُخفونَ مِنَ الكِتٰبِ وَيَعفوا عَن كَثيرٍ قَد جاءَكُم مِنَ اللَّهِ نورٌ وَكِتٰبٌ مُبينٌ

With it, God guides those who seek His approval. He guides them to the paths of peace, leads them out of darkness into the light by His leave, and guides them in a straight path.
يَهدى بِهِ اللَّهُ مَنِ اتَّبَعَ رِضوٰنَهُ سُبُلَ السَّلٰمِ وَيُخرِجُهُم مِنَ الظُّلُمٰتِ إِلَى النّورِ بِإِذنِهِ وَيَهديهِم إِلىٰ صِرٰطٍ مُستَقيمٍ

Here GOD is saying this messenger- Qoran/scripture- does the same as any other messenger . i.e GOD s Ayat are the source of the teaching and wisdom.
This means GOD does the guiding,teaching and wisdom with His Ayats brought by the messenger..
GOD bless you.
Peace.


Salam Good logic

How did you deduce the verse you quoted it's the Quran that is called the messenger and not the messenger (prophet Muhammad.

God bless you

good logic

Peace centi50.
The next sentence in the same verse tells me what the messenger is:

 قَد جاءَكُم مِنَ اللَّهِ نورٌ وَكِتٰبٌ مُبينٌ

A clear book/scripture  and light has come to you. i.e this messenger that came to you to proclaim /make clear to you/teach you many things you concealed/ kept hidden in the past scriptures is this new scripture/Qoran.
The next verse explains what this book/scripture does:
يَهدى بِهِ اللَّهُ مَنِ اتَّبَعَ رِضوٰنَهُ سُبُلَ السَّلٰمِ وَيُخرِجُهُم مِنَ الظُّلُمٰتِ إِلَى النّورِ بِإِذنِهِ وَيَهديهِم إِلىٰ صِرٰطٍ مُستَقيمٍ

GOD guides with it/Qoran/this new scripture- Cannot be any human or different messenger.as only one messenger is mentioned in the two verses with the same context that explains what this messenger does/makes clear to us..
 This messenger is the clear book/scripture/and light that GOD guides with.. i.e-Qoran-
GOD bless you.
Peace.
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38:65″ Say:? I warn you; There is no other god beside GOD, the One, the Supreme.?
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centi50

Quote from: good logic on August 13, 2024, 09:21:31 AMPeace centi50.
The next sentence in the same verse tells me what the messenger is:

 قَد جاءَكُم مِنَ اللَّهِ نورٌ وَكِتٰبٌ مُبينٌ

A clear book/scripture  and light has come to you. i.e this messenger that came to you to proclaim /make clear to you/teach you many things you concealed/ kept hidden in the past scriptures is this new scripture/Qoran.
The next verse explains what this book/scripture does:
يَهدى بِهِ اللَّهُ مَنِ اتَّبَعَ رِضوٰنَهُ سُبُلَ السَّلٰمِ وَيُخرِجُهُم مِنَ الظُّلُمٰتِ إِلَى النّورِ بِإِذنِهِ وَيَهديهِم إِلىٰ صِرٰطٍ مُستَقيمٍ

GOD guides with it/Qoran/this new scripture- Cannot be any human or different messenger.as only one messenger is mentioned in the two verses with the same context that explains what this messenger does/makes clear to us..
 This messenger is the clear book/scripture/and light that GOD guides with.. i.e-Qoran-
GOD bless you.
Peace.


Salam good logic

So you think the prophet was just a messenger. He just delivered the book and that it. He never taught the Arabs anything. He never taught his people understand of the Al Quran?

In this century even we who takes the Quran as the source of laws have differences, do you think during the time of the prophet also they had differences like we do? While the prophet was among them alive. If only the prophet was a postman. Then also those Muslims in his time had differences. As everyone was having his own understanding


God bless all

good logic

Peace centi50
GOD does everything and has sent the details of everything to do with our salvation and redemption in His message/Qoran

The prophet delivered Qoran, GOD knows people will dispute/debate His message in all generations.
.
Any copy of Qoran for the sincere,will do to start with.GOD guides with His words and one should not worry if people do, add or take away verses or one can only find some portion of Qoran interesting or all of it or....
Remember when it started , it took many years for the prophet s generation to have the complete Qoran.

GOD is all knowledgeable and sends or confirms what is needed and according to the knowledge reached by different generations.
" Say: The future belongs to GOD so wait everybody will have to be patient and wait"

Now Muhammad has been, delivered the Qoran and gone. Only GOD tells us the truth about His religion. We can speculate about what the prophet and his people did or not done, but we have the same Qoran. it says:]
"They are people who passed away ,they have what they worked for/followed.. and we have what we work for/follow."
The message is the most important thing.and we have it with us now.
Qoran is the ever living messenger since it came and will outlive all messengers. It is the ultimate messenger.

If one is looking to change their priorities and better themselves and their soul, and believes Qoran is the message of GOD, then they will take the message seriously and prepare to meet their creator. The trust and total loyalty in GOD Alone will take them towards certainty in their belief.

Do you believe Qoran is GOD s scripture?
Then GOD Alone and His message- Qoran alone- takes the number one priority.

What Qoran confirms for me I take, what is contradictory and opposes it I ignore  Of course according to my faculties that GOD gave me to use and I am responsible and accountable at GOD s for. Same should be for every individual.

Best of luck with your journey and freedom of choice.
GOD bless you.
Peace.
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