the calendar system according to The Quran - new article

[Wakas]

peace all,

The calendar system according to The Quran
https://mypercept.co.uk/articles/quran-calendar.html

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To summarise the information we have so far:

Year is solar (365.25 days)
Both sun and moon are involved in the calendar/timing system.
Count of months/moons is 12 per solar year, 4 of which are consecutive inviolable months/moons
The first inviolable month/moon is probably "shahr ramadan" and the latter 3 are for the hajj - and all 4 are in a warm period
The hajj period and ramadan do not overlap/coincide
Seasons are in sync (i.e. regular pattern) in the year - and the inviolable months/moons are unlikely to be in spring or winter

It is similar to brother Ayman's article but with some different bits of info, making the case stronger hopefully, and a difference in starting point of the year.

It's possible we have finally resolved this issue

Feedback welcome, especially corrections.

[jkhan]

Excerpts from Brother Waqas's research state as under:

Is the year according to The Quran lunar or solar?
10:5 He is the One who made the sun a radiance and the moon a light and determined for it* phases that you would know the number of the years and the account...
*singular masculine, to my knowledge this could refer to both the sun and moon or just moon. Sun/shams is a feminine.
17:12 We have made the night and the day as two signs: the sign of the night We have obscured while the sign of the day we have made visible so that you may seek favors from your Lord and that you may know the number of years and the account and every thing We have explained it distinguished.

Hello and Peace Everyone...

If the months / complete full moons in a year, in the sight of Allah is 12 from the day He created the Heavens and the Earth, and not permitted to decrease or increase its count, then every month should consist fixed number of days/yaum.. Because the month is based on the movement of the Sun(in observation), not by the movement of the Moon... Sun makes Nahar/Day and not the Moon.. The moon has nothing to do with day (Nahar) and night (Lail)... in a literal sense, the Sun is what makes Day and Night into the picture.. Agree? The Moon is just a device to identify and simplify the count..

The object Sun does not SHOW you the counting/period of years and its account, But the object Moon does it since it is assigned its phases facilitating the count 10:5.. But carefully read verse 17:12 which says blotted out the sign of the Night.. The night is out of the context for counting.. It further states.. 'made the sign of the Day/Nahar visible' stating two of the benefits of Nahar that we can extract. 1).. we can seek bounties of Allah .. 2) ... counting of years and its account by Nahar/day... You should apply heavy weight to this statement..

Indeed you can count the Days/Nahar (not the object sun) so that, you know, how many days, months, or years... Similarly, indeed you can count the object Moon to get the same..
Just looking at the moon or, just looking at the Day/Nahar won't count anything for us, you have to count and keep a record...

365.25 is ridiculous as it won't give every month an equal number of days to consider 12 months in a year.. Neither phase of the Moon would support 365 inventions while the Sun is the one that creates days/nahar and days make months and months make a year.... 365 days in a Year is a direct mockery of the phases of the Moon.. let's see why..

What is shown by the phases of the Moon and what is counted by Nahar/day should tally to take as one month.. Allah has never informed us to count the number of days for a month or year by Moon and Sun in different ways, but in one identical Way.. That's why to get the number of years both are used and that too for one solo purpose..

But how many days in a month if Allah has 12 months/full moons? That's a question..

Yes.. Full moon to Full Moon is 30 Nahar/s...Are you stunned? i.e. scientifically, they say 29 days 12 hours (29.53). These 12 hours make 29+1 = 30 Nahar/days not nights. The night is blotted out.. Day/Nahar is considered for counting years and accounts.. verify with 17:12... From full moon to full moon one knows a month is completed, i.e. 30 Nahar/days are completed by the Sun (The sun is doing the job while the moon shows it)... So, in Allah's book, 360 days/nahar (day time) constitute a year..

Quran crystallizes in black and white.. Feed 60 poor persons or siyam for consecutive two months... It has a reason why it should be 60 and to call two consecutive months.. No need for unnecessary confusion.. do we?

Now one would question, then what about 365.5 days of Earth's rotation around the Sun? Well, it is not a topic to discuss whether Earth rotates the sun or not.. No tangible evidence for that, save assumptions and theories.. So we can simply obliterate 365 from the Qur'anic point of view..

Allah says in the Quran ... "A day with Allah is 1000 years of what you reckon" .... Well, it should be one unique measurement..  Thousand years of what? Solar or Lunar? This question arises if the method we apply is wrong.. Because there are no Solar or Lunar years.. Only one year... Sun makes years and Moon indicates it.. So simple..

[Wakas]

peace jkhan,

You seem to have only presented a half solution leaving things unanswered. If you claim the year is 360 days then what is your correcting mechanism as per Quran or do you let the seasons drift within the year like the Traditional Islamic calendar?

Quran crystallizes in black and white.. Feed 60 poor persons or siyam for consecutive two months... It has a reason why it should be 60 and to call two consecutive months.. No need for unnecessary confusion.. do we?

Not only will this depend on what you take shahr to mean e.g. full moon to full moon i.e. 2 consecutive full moons, is 30 days roughly. Not to mention 5:89 seems to make fasting 3 days equivalent to feeding 10 people, so your equivalency claim does not work.

I recommend re-reading the article. If you or anyone has any corrections (e.g. contradiction with another verse, practical problem, grammatical impossibility etc) then please post them here.

[jkhan]

peace jkhan,

You seem to have only presented a half solution leaving things unanswered. If you claim the year is 360 days then what is your correcting mechanism as per Quran or do you let the seasons drift within the year like the Traditional Islamic calendar?

Why season should drift? 360 days won't make any season drift.. problem is the solar calendar of 365 days exists.. I spoke with Quran.. that's all

[jkhan]

peace jkhan,



Not only will this depend on what you take shahr to mean e.g. full moon to full moon i.e. 2 consecutive full moons, is 30 days roughly. Not to mention 5:89 seems to make fasting 3 days equivalent to feeding 10 people, so your equivalency claim does not work.

Peace again Waqas

I was not expecting this partiality from you especially.. 5:89 is a totally different verse and is not concerned with the equation.. it has mentioned many matters.. Pls be just in your reply..

[jkhan]

peace all,

The calendar system according to The Quran
https://mypercept.co.uk/articles/quran-calendar.html

Quote:

It is similar to brother Ayman's article but with some different bits of info, making the case stronger hopefully, and a difference in starting point of the year.

It's possible we have finally resolved this issue

Feedback welcome, especially corrections.

Salam everyone..

One logical question everyone should raise regardless of what faith they belong to (Sunni, Shia, or whatever), if 04 months are restricted out the gate, then these four months should not wander with two types of calculations, i.e. Solar and Lunar and, literally and most significantly, these months should not drift or fall in every season.. Because Allah must have a robust reason for what He restricted these months.. If these months do fall, in every season, then one can easily deduce there is no point in restriction these months... But, note well, these restrictions of 04 months may differ according to locations as they call southern and northern hemispheres since seasons are not identical in the entire Earth .. The decider of the Season is the movement of the Sun.. Months are decided by season according to the movement of the Sun.. No one will ever name in any language a month if the month drifts unless months don't have meaning. Jan, Feb, etc. don't have any realistic meaning with season or nature to the whole world....

*** Four forbidden months were well known as Allah claims, but modern-day, people don't even know 04 months are forbidden... Allah intentionally blotted them out.. But the intention of restricting them may be continuing with nature.. What is there for us in general to take home at the end of the day by these four forbidden months and what changes do take place in our life?
Naming a month is not vital, but identifying every seasonal change is very crucial ...

Thanks
.....

[jkhan]

Peace...
Hi everyone..

first of all, I have no intention of spoiling this topic, but hopefully, it has a connection to what I refer.. having said that, let me bring my explanation.

Through the time of my investigation of the Quran, I realized that the word 'Yaum' means Daytime but actions filled with, meanwhile the word 'Nahar' means the points of daytime, i.e. Dawn to Dusk and to be precise from first clear to end of its light.. The word Nahar is not used in the Quran to refer to actions/activities of daytime in a literal sense though that's what happens normally. Wherever Allah used the word 'Yaum' is concerned with direct, indirect, or metaphorical actions during the daytime and NOT night.. Yaum or Nahar is never part of Night/Lail.. In Allah's Law Yaum is never part of both Daytime and Night to constitute 'ONE DAY' as we do in modern days.. The one-day concept of midnight to midnight is irrelevant to Allah.. One day means from dawn to dusk and that's one day and Night is blotted out (17:12).. And that's  'Yaum' and even 'Nahar' but usage of Yaum for activities and Nahar is for indication of the span.. Lail/night is for night time of indication and activities..

69:7 "Which Allah imposed upon them for seven nights (lail) and eight days (Ayyam) in succession....."

The above verse is one of the rare occurrences in the entire Quran..  Allah always adjoins Lail and Nahar in many verses, but not Lail and Yaum. As I explained above, Yaum is for activities and, it is justified by placing the word Ayyam to refer to daytime and not the night in the above verse as night is already mentioned.. You can never say 8 days (24 hours) if they do not consist of 8 nights but not in Allah's law.. simply, a day is never night..
It clearly shows by the above verse, that the punishment, imposed began at the beginning of the Daytime and ended on the 8th daytime which included rightly 7 nights..
If the moon takes 29.5 then, it is indeed 30 Nahar/Days and 29 nights..

The moon is witnessed visibly and legibly to the naked eye at night. Subsequently seeing the Full Moon or traditionally new crescent moon, the day won't start from the night itself.. The day starts in the morning and the Moon just indicated it.. I have chosen the Full Moon to Full Moon with a logical reason, that is to say, The full moon is visible at the outset of the night and until the end of the night and that's unlikely with a new moon.. So, people can easily deduce the beginning of a new month with a new day by seeing the night sky at the outset or at the end of the night i.e. at dawn.

78:10- 11 "And made the night as covering, and made the day for means of living."

Nothing more one can deduce from this... Full daytime is one-day in God's law..

17:12 And We have made the night and day two signs, and We erased the sign of the night and made the sign of the day (Nahar) visible that you may seek bounty from your Lord and may know the number of years and the account


if anyone says, Night is part of One-day in the book of Allah, that's their assumption...

[jkhan]

Author of the article stated the below

Lastly it has been claimed that the non-possessive singular word "yawm" (day/era) occurs in Quran 365 times and the dual/plural 30 times [source]. The singular word "shahr" occurs 12 times [source]. If true this is an interesting observation and lends support to the above analysis.

Unfortunately, it is a desperate assumption in my understanding... If they consider singular 'Day' ... okay fine.. but why remove 'Your day' etc. it is singular.. if they remove singular day and adjust it like that it is sheer manipulation... If 'Your Day' is not included then why include 'Part of Day' in verses like 18:19 "We have remained a day or part of a day ..."... Is part of a day a complete day by any chance.. "your day" a day after all.. And there is no other way in Arabic one can write it.. Yaum-ain (two days) is removed from counting but part of a day is included.. if the criteria is for singular 'Day' then they have not applied the criteria..

If suffixes are an issue, then why take prefixes for counting?

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when it comes to 12 months again it is a desperate adjustment.. Shahr in Quran not at month in every verse.. Shahr is month and used in Quran but not every verse where shahr is mentioned is month, so how can they count them as 12 times month mentioned.. for example famous verse 2:185 two times mentioned, is it really month of Ramadhan? or verse 2:194 which states as  "The action/undertaking (shahr) of the forbidden is with the action/undertaking of the forbidden and for violations is Retribution..."... it means to say if one violates what is forbidden let him also taste the what is of forbidden action what he did to you.. for example, if he removes your tooth for no reason, you also remove his tooth and no violation beyond it..

[jkhan]

a statement of brother waqas in the article is below:

The hajj period and ramadan do not overlap/coincide

So, what is Ramadhan not to coincide with Haj?

[brook]

If the months / complete full moons in a year...

Full moons do not make the year but show the number of the years. For example how many years passed
from the time Ali was born to the time Muhammad died? If a bedouin makes a notch on his staff every time
he sees the first full moon after the summer solstice and counts the notches when he needs, he will learn
the number of the years.

Number of the notches = number of the years

21 Jun 601 ----- (13 full moons from solstice to solstice) ----- 1
10 Jul 602
29 Jun 603 ---------------------------------------------------- 2
16 Jul 604
06 Jul 605
25 Jun 606 ---------------------------------------------------- 3
14 Jul 607
03 Jul 608
23 Jun 609 ---------------------------------------------------- 4
11 Jul 610
30 Jun 611 ----------------------------------------------------- 5
18 Jul 612
07 Jul 613
27 Jun 614 ----------------------------------------------------- 6
16 Jul 615
04 Jul 616
24 Jun 617 ----------------------------------------------------- 7
13 Jul 618
02 Jul 619

21 Jun 620 ----------------------------------------------------- 8
10 Jul 621
29 Jun 622 ----------------------------------------------------- 9
16 Jul 623
06 Jul 624
25 Jun 625 ---------------------------------------------------- 10
14 Jul 626
03 Jul 627
23 Jun 628 ---------------------------------------------------- 11
11 Jul 629
30 Jun 630 ---------------------------------------------------- 12
18 Jul 631
07 Jul 632

32 years passed.

13th full moon takes shape only once every 2, 3 years, so it is a visiting moon different from the 12 full moons
which  take shape  every  year. The visitor does  not change the  number of the full moons  in the year.  So the
number of the full moons is always 12 (9:36).