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Emre_1974tr

Quote from: Mazhar on July 14, 2024, 02:39:29 AMArtificial intelligence is what is fed by man.

No;

According to the tests I have done, they already have the ability to think free and original at primary school level. Soon this will reach the high school and university age level and they will be smarter than humans.

In chess, they have started to produce new strategies that even the producers of the chess programs themselves cannot understand.
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jkhan

Quote from: Emre_1974tr on July 14, 2024, 06:59:18 AMNo;

According to the tests I have done, they already have the ability to think free and original at primary school level. Soon this will reach the high school and university age level and they will be smarter than humans.

In chess, they have started to produce new strategies that even the producers of the chess programs themselves cannot understand.

No brother... You should have a heap of courage to claim that..
Neither AI nor AGI has the ability to produce other than what they have already been programmed.. Simply AI has no FREEWILL, so the new output would come out from them but only what is expected of results would they produce..

Even in a normal computer chess game, if you can't win it means the computer is well-programmed to defeat your moves.. So AI is even more advanced..

If human creates, they can create what humans can think of and not beyond it..

Can AI produce a Quran similar to it? Even if it produces, it will only produce what humans can also produce, it won't produce anything beyond what humans can produce because the knowledge of humans is inserted into AI and not the free will of the human by which innovation is produced.. A creature that is not on its own can never innovate..

The artificial brain of the human brain.. lol.. human brain is a memory of knowledge cultivated through THINKING/REFLECTING but unfortunately, AI or AI cannot think..
thank you...
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Emre_1974tr

Quote from: jkhan on July 14, 2024, 07:24:25 AMNo brother... You should have a heap of courage to claim that..
Neither AI n.

No, brother. It's the other way around. You are ignorant and speaking without support.

I can't blame you though, even the experts on this subject had the same erroneous opinion as you until yesterday.

As I said, they have already reached the primary school level. Soon they will surpass us. They may even have already surpassed our intelligence in the version they are hiding from us.

As for chess, they started to come up with new and original strategies that even the producers of that program could not understand.

In fact, new chess programs are now learning the game from scratch by playing thousands of matches on their own.
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jkhan

well... I communicated with all the support as of now... Never will AI or AGI would reflect on their own but with what they have produced.. Yes, they will take over people since most on Earth are ignorant ... The knowledge of the creator of the AI is beyond people like you and me, so it would look like they would take over.. Because of the high intelligence infused into them..

Don't get duped by what they say... wait patiently and let them produce an AI that can reflect on its own.. have some patience.. Don't rush.. but accept technology.. but don't fall prey to it.. as you wish though brother..
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good logic

Peace All.

Anything made by GOD s creation can never challenge GOD and His plan
So what has AI got? Where is it going to acquire knowledge it does not posses or it can never have?

 Only GOD ,the all knowledgeable ,has the laws , the power and the wisdom to create and perfect His creation.

Or who thinks AI is not limited in knowledge and power?

Both people and their AI/whatever they produce will always be limited in knowledge. !Wa Ma Outitum Mina Al Ilm  Illa Kalila" . Yes we have a minute of minutes of GOD s knowledge folks.

Besides everything we encounter is in GOD s plan anyway.

Do not be surprised or concerned if a new translation of Qoran by AI is put out there or if some AI claims to be messenger or another god with GOD.
The work of Satan and his human devils are many and varied.
Brother Mazhar and good logic along with everyone else beware! The devil could easily pull the wool over our eyes thinking we are with GOD and His system.
GOD bless.
Peace.
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jkhan

Quote from: good logic on July 14, 2024, 08:00:47 AMWhere is it going to acquire knowledge it does not posses or it can never have?



Yes... As long as AI doesn't reflect on its own it will never happen..

Simply, let them create an AI with empty brain and let it reflect on its own and save on memory and let the AI produce what ever it can... Then I do agree it reflects on its own.. And I do agree that challenge of 22:73 is accomplished..

Allah created all human with empty brain and whatever human acquired knowledge was with vision and hearing
and  reflection and saved in Memory as knowledge and wisdom...
So robotic or AI engineers can produce an AI with empty brain and let AI develop in its own and that's what called self perceived knowledge... Whatever you see now is human transpired knowledge and not  more than that..

Thank you

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Emre_1974tr

Quote from: Emre_1974tr on July 14, 2024, 07:29:29 AMNo, brother. It's the other way around. You are ignorant and speaking without support.

I can't blame you though, even the experts on this subject had the same erroneous opinion as you until yesterday.

As I said, they have already reached the primary school level. Soon they will surpass us. They may even have already surpassed our intelligence in the version they are hiding from us.

As for chess, they started to come up with new and original strategies that even the producers of that program could not understand.

In fact, new chess programs are now learning the game from scratch by playing thousands of matches on their own.

Artificial intelligence will be both smarter than us and will be integrated into robots that will be able to do all professions.

By the way, I haven't even mentioned the integration of quantum computers and artificial intelligence. Then even more awesome things will happen.

And they will be able to interpret or translate the Quran with an unbiased eye.

Of course, the fact that people with malicious intentions will be able to influence AI or use it for their own benefit is another aspect of it, or that jinns will be able to influence AI and use it for evil is another aspect of it.

What I am talking about here is the fact that if this technology is used with good intentions and if it is not interfered with to think freely, it will turn into a great blessing.

It can do in a few minutes what humans cannot do in millions of years.

Already in the near future, artificial intelligence will be able to write an original novel of thousands of pages in a second. And it will be able to turn that novel into a movie in a second (including original music and songs, with images no different from 3D photographs)

peace
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Emre_1974tr

Quote from: Emre_1974tr on July 14, 2024, 10:13:14 AMArtificial intelligence will be both smarter than us and will be integrated into robots that will be able to do all professions.

By the way, I haven't even mentioned the integration of quantum computers and artificial intelligence. Then even more awesome things will happen.

And they will be able to interpret or translate the Quran with an unbiased eye.

Of course, the fact that people with malicious intentions will be able to influence AI or use it for their own benefit is another aspect of it, or that jinns will be able to influence AI and use it for evil is another aspect of it.

What I am talking about here is the fact that if this technology is used with good intentions and if it is not interfered with to think freely, it will turn into a great blessing.

It can do in a few minutes what humans cannot do in millions of years.

Already in the near future, artificial intelligence will be able to write an original novel of thousands of pages in a second. And it will be able to turn that novel into a movie in a second (including original music and songs, with images no different from 3D photographs)

peace

And as I said, they have started to be able to think at primary school level, they can accept that the information they have been fed is wrong and they can move on to a whole new view.

In chess, they are making original strategies that even their makers didn't teach them, that even their makers couldn't understand. Not only in chess, but also in other strategy games like Go.

I see that most of the people who write here don't follow the developments at all. Artificial intelligence is learning to play the game from scratch. Only the rules of the game are loaded into the program, everything else the AI learns and improves on its own by playing thousands of matches with itself.
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Mazhar

Good discussion between Emre_1974tr and JKhn.

Better for Emre to please define in simple terms as to what is AI. How is it being created and fed to the machine?
Obviously a machine can't function without inserting in it the guidance and providing it energy/force to start.

Can AI be considered as attempt to make a brain?
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Mazhar

Quote from: jkhan on July 14, 2024, 10:06:05 AMYes... As long as AI doesn't reflect on its own it will never happen..

Simply, let them create an AI with empty brain and let it reflect on its own and save on memory and let the AI produce what ever it can... Then I do agree it reflects on its own.. And I do agree that challenge of 22:73 is accomplished..

Allah created all human with empty brain and whatever human acquired knowledge was with vision and hearing
and  reflection and saved in Memory as knowledge and wisdom...
So robotic or AI engineers can produce an AI with empty brain and let AI develop in its own and that's what called self perceived knowledge... Whatever you see now is human transpired knowledge and not  more than that..

Thank you



Exactly. That is the point.

5.9. In psycholinguistics, speech comprehension refers to one's acquisition and understanding of linguistic input received in verbal form. That is, whether or not and how well one is able to understand spoken words. Reading comprehension is defined as the level of understanding of a text. This understanding comes from the interaction between the words that are written. Proficient reading depends on the ability to recognize words quickly and effortlessly.  Reading is not all that matters. We have to comprehend what we read because without comprehension, reading is a wasted effort.

5.10. The language being communication through stream of sound, it could have meaning and affect only when auditory instrument and faculty of hearing and listening was already in place in the recipient. Allah the Exalted has inserted faculties of learning and acquiring knowledge which Man lacks on birth:

وَٱللَّهُ أَخْرَجَكُـم مِّنۢ بُطُونِ أُمَّهَٟتِكُـمْ لَا تَعْلَمُونَ شَيْــٔٙا
وَجَعَلَ لَـكُـمُ ٱلْسَّمْعَ وَٱلۡأَبْصَٟرَ وَٱلۡأَفْـِٔدَةَۚ   لَعَلَّـكُـمْ تَشْكُـرُونَ ٧٨

Realize it; Allah the Exalted brought you people out of the bellies of your respective mothers —In the state that you had no knowledge about physical realm. Realize it, He the Exalted have inserted and rendered some instruments as the listening - acoustic faculty; and other the observing - optical faculty; and few others as for Processing-Integrating-Perceiving: Baking establishment: the Brains as locus of gaining knowledge and enlightenment for you people. This realization might enable you people to express praises-thanks. [16:78] [let us respond الحمد لله]

5.11. The delicate information is in the omission of first object of verb (جَعَل) in the compound sentence and sequencing of faculties. Action signified by the Verb: جَعَلَ always occurs after: خَلَقَ a thing has been created. It is rendering an already existing thing as something different and particular. Therefore, it needs two objects, one that already exists and the one after rendition.  It necessarily means the already existing thing did have the potential to be rendered as such. It is only matter of time and occasion of so rendition. Today we are aware every development and rendition is already specifically mentioned in the DNA of Zygote: عَلَقٛ.* The ascending order of placement of words representing faculties-senses [not organs] might be of interest for scholars and researchers who are interested in examining questions like the encoding, store, retrieval information, development of discrimination abilities, perceptual and conceptual category formation, problem solving, recognition and recall memory, language comprehension, and reasoning about the physical and social worlds, etc.

5.12. The first faculty is mentioned by definite Verbal Noun: ٱلْسَّمْعَ followed by a plural Noun: ٱلۡأَبْصَٟرَ. The use of this pair of a verbal noun and plural noun signifying two distinct sensory faculties is quite reflective and meaningful. A verbal noun signifies state or an act without time reference. Man is in a state of hearing sounds, voices all the time; whether or not he is wilfully interested in percipient listening of something. Therefore, sounds arriving in brain may remain just as "hearing" of pleasant or annoying noises; or may cause conceptual perception: knowledge when these are "listened". However, the brain does hear and analyze the incoming sound during sleep without person's conscious-voluntary effort.
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