Where Do Our Thoughts Originate and Can They Be Influenced by External Entities?

[Fusion]

Hi everyone,

I have been pondering a question that intertwines elements of psychology, neuroscience, and spiritual beliefs, and I would love to hear your thoughts and insights on it.

Where does the "thought process engine" of humans lie?

I mean, where do our thoughts originate from? We know the heart and brain are physical parts of our body, but when it comes to the logical, conscious, and subconscious aspects, things get more complex. Many say that the brain is responsible for our thought processes. But what about the role of the soul, the consciousness, or the subconscious?

Furthermore, can our thought process be influenced by external entities beyond just our friends and social interactions? Specifically, I am curious about the perspectives that involve spiritual or metaphysical influences. For instance, in various religious and spiritual traditions, there are concepts like angels, jinn, and different types of nafs (e.g., al-nafs al-ammara, al-nafs al-lawwama, and al-nafs al-mutma'inna) that might play a role.

Can these entities penetrate our thoughts or influence them?

For example, imagine person X is interacting with others. While doing so, X might have multiple thoughts per second – some aggressive, some intimate, some morally questionable. At the same time, X might have counter-thoughts that reject the initial impulses as wrong or immoral. This makes me wonder:

Who or what initiates these random thoughts?

Is it solely the brain's function, or do external spiritual entities (like angels, jinn, or even Satan) have the ability to influence our thoughts?

I am really curious to understand how different fields and beliefs converge on this topic. How has God designed human psychology to allow for these diverse and often conflicting thoughts?

I am asking this question because at the End (judgement) our fate will be justified solely by GOD based on actions that we have taken or not owing to those thoughts that shaped our life on this planet as long as we lived. Secondly how much influence does the so called Iblees or his companions have on our thought process factory? and how much influence God allows them to have? Just saying if we do good we will get reward and if we do bad, we be punished is after the fact... but before all this.. there is this creaition of those good or evil thoughts --- where does all this trigger from and by whom and on what basis?


Additionally,
Folks, now we see AI entering exponentially into human society:

So, do you think in the future there will be an AI-based thought processing chip that can be implanted into humans as a means of controlling their actions? We have seen that some medicines do affect human behavior... so does this mean man will eventually become so powerful that he will one day play God in human life?

Thank you

[good logic]

Peace Fusion.
Indeed a good question to meddle in.
These people Have tried to put their thoughts into what are thoughts,for example:

I have wondered about this subject for years and have even discussed it with various doctors. The prevailing myth is that the brain manufactures consciousness like a machine and when the machine breaks consciousness stops. However, if we remove part of the brain we do not impact consciousness, only at times causing problems controlling the parts of the body. I've come to the conclusion that thoughts/consciousness are part of a field of energy that accompanies the body and controls it through the brain. This field can and may be part of a greater field, you may call it human consciousness, like a gestalt. You may envision an energy being reaching down like a hand into the material world with each "finger" inserted into a human/animal body for control. When the body breaks down and dies, the consciousness retreats to the main field of consciousness. Our religions are the result of a subconscious understanding of this system. Physical forms are tools for the actual being of consciousness to interact with the physical universe. WillShirley

Read here:
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2021/apr/11/readers-reply-what-are-thoughts-where-do-they-come-from-and-where-do-they-go
I will try to add some of my thoughts in the thread later.
GOD bless you.
Peace

[jkhan]

Salam...

I had this issue but I sorted it out with the help of Allah..

Your fundamental concern where Thoughts originate and my simple reply is from Heart. Let's detail it...

There are lots of verses in Quran but let me stick to one verse so it would be much easier to explain and not because this verse is better than other verses to explain the subject..

2:7 "Allah has set a seal upon their hearts and upon their hearing, and over their vision is a veil..."

Not stated  BRAIN... let's see why?
Let's reflect on verse 2:7.  A metaphorical veil is placed over their vision but they can see clearly, don't they? Similarly, they can hear and they are not deaf. Are they? The third organ, the Heart is also sealed but still, they can reason... So nothing is sealed literally... In fact, this verse is totally related to the guidance of Allah and the faculties Allah has created, which are indeed pivotal. Faculties such as Heart, Eye, and Ears have their own functions like any other organ of human anatomy...
Meanwhile Brain is the focal point from which every organ is functioning and connected .. you would not be able to lift your finger without the brain and needless to explain the extreme truth of science in our body. The heart is not a focal point but just another organ that is assigned its functions like the hand or eye has many functions so does the heart too.. But every organ is connected to Brain and without the brain nothing works... But the brain is not the one to reason, the brain is just a supporter with its memory already saved while the heart is the one that is reasoning with what is already saved in the memory of the brain if one has saved otherwise has to initiate with vision and hearing..
Look! If one is blind and deaf and dumb his faculties are handicapped and thus the memory in the brain is feeble since he is not using his faculties in order to save knowledge gained through these faculties in the Brain. So he has nothing special to retrieve from Brain. Thus he will be confined only to his Heart.

Allah says.... "Use your intellect" ... well! One who has intellect can only use his intellect. Right.. the one who doesn't have intellect has not cultivated using his Vision, Hearing intellect... So those who cultivated intellect and saved in memory of the Brain has to use it.  The end user is the Heart. Heart is the one reasoning with already saved knowledge in the brain and decides. Brain and its memory and its knowledge saved in it is not the DECIDER. To decide, heart reasoning fully... it's not the function of the brain...
One would wonder now, when a child learns or student learns in the college what he doesn't know, is it heart or the brain student uses to learn first time? Indeed simple answer is HEART.. student uses his Heart to reason and thus he saves what he reasoned to his memory and the brain is equipped with knowledge and a cultivated brain he has from there onward, because of his reasoning through his Heart. 
Then again you would raise a question, 'How did he reason without brain's support?' Yes.. Vision and hearing are faculties he used to reason with the heart (indeed vision and hearing take the support of the brain. You know that).. But he doesn't need to go through this process always and thus the brain saves it and that's called the 'knowledge' he cultivated. Before reasoning using his vision and hearing, he didn't have that knowledge and the brain was empty before from that knowledge.... How can a brain have knowledge built if it is empty one time? So from where does this knowledge enter the brain which was void of it once upon a time? Yes through REASONING by Heart... So do you agree the Brain was built with knowledge in order for your thought to originate? You can't .. simply you can't... The brain has to be infused with knowledge by reasoning through vision and hearing.. That's how a child grow by VISION and HEARING and then REASONING with HEART... later his brain is sharp with those memories...

So THOUGHTS originate from the Heart because of vision and hearing....

[Fusion]

Thank You Jkhan and Good logic and I appreciate and learn from your replies and thankful to you both of you and others if they also provide some more detailed insights.
Let me focus in this reply of mine on Jkhan's understanding of heart being the source of place where thoughts originate from. My question and understanding below is not from sci point of view despite giving medical examples. But I am puzzled as to if heart is the source then does that mean our personality (being a good or bad person) lies with our heart? or heart is just a catalyst and the actual "ME" is somewhere else and will not change no matter what medical advancements achieve... please see the following scenerio.
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If thoughts and reasoning indeed originate from the heart, what implications would successful heart transplants have on this theory? Specifically, consider the following scenarios:

Heart Transplant Recipients:
When a person undergoes a heart transplant and receives a new heart, how would this affect their thought processes and reasoning abilities if the heart is the primary source of thoughts and reasoning?
Would the recipient of a new heart experience a change in their personality, memories, or reasoning abilities, given that their original heart, which you stated is the center of reasoning, has been replaced?
Scientific Observations:

Current medical science observes that heart transplant recipients retain their memories, personality, and cognitive functions post-transplant, which suggests that these aspects of consciousness and thought are not directly altered by the heart transplant.

So, how would this observation align with the view that the heart is the source of reasoning and thoughts?

Quranic and Theological Interpretation:

If the heart is metaphorically rather than literally the source of reasoning, how can we reconcile this with both the spiritual significance of the heart in Islam and the scientific understanding that cognitive functions are primarily brain-based?

Real-Life Examples:

Claire Sylvia:
Claire Sylvia received a heart and lung transplant in 1988 and later reported experiencing changes in her food preferences and behaviors, which she attributed to the donor's influence. However, her core personality, memories, and cognitive abilities remained intact.
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/my-heart-belongs-to-tim-1257635.html

Sonny Graham:
After receiving a heart transplant, Sonny Graham developed interests and cravings similar to those of his donor. Despite these changes, his fundamental personality traits and cognitive functions remained consistent.
But the media says something strange:
https://www.unilad.com/news/health/sonny-graham-terry-cottle-heart-transplant-suicide-667984-20240117

J.P. Richards:
J.P. Richards, who received a heart transplant, reported feeling some emotional changes and new preferences, but his cognitive abilities, memories, and sense of self remained unchanged.

https://livelifegivelife.org.uk/our-blog/33-years-after-his-heart-transplant-richard-is-still-going-strong/

Above examples illustrate that while some recipients report minor changes, the fundamental aspects of personality, memory, and cognitive function largely remain the same, suggesting that these aspects are not solely dependent on the heart.

Elaboration:
Therefore JKhan, I am curious to understand how your perspective accommodates these scenarios. Given that heart transplant recipients do not report significant changes in their cognitive abilities or reasoning, it appears that the brain might be playing a more central role in thought processes than initially suggested. Could it be that the heart, as mentioned in religious texts, symbolizes a deeper, more spiritual aspect of human existence (as a metaphor and not meant in actual fact that piece of flesh we call heart?), while the brain (again not the physical brain but a metaphorical aspect) handles the functional aspects of thought and reasoning?
Hence, call it heart or brain, the actual essence of a man is the soul (Emre would disagree as he says there is no such thing as a soul) and no matter how much you perform heart transplant or tomorrow perhaps a brain too... the person remains the same in essence as the soul never changes and the God's given free will is attached to the Soul (which no sci- can prove) and the fate of person being good or bad is actually linked to the soul who is either performing corrupt or good conducts of life?
Please your thoughts on this aspect.

[jkhan]

Thank You Jkhan and Good logic and I appreciate and learn from your replies and thankful to you both of you and others if they also provide some more detailed insights.
Let me focus in this reply of mine on Jkhan's understanding of heart being the source of place where thoughts originate from. My question and understanding below is not from sci point of view despite giving medical examples. But I am puzzled as to if heart is the source then does that mean our personality (being a good or bad person) lies with our heart? or heart is just a catalyst and the actual "ME" is somewhere else and will not change no matter what medical advancements achieve... please see the following scenerio.
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If thoughts and reasoning indeed originate from the heart, what implications would successful heart transplants have on this theory? Specifically, consider the following scenarios:

Heart Transplant Recipients:
When a person undergoes a heart transplant and receives a new heart, how would this affect their thought processes and reasoning abilities if the heart is the primary source of thoughts and reasoning?
Would the recipient of a new heart experience a change in their personality, memories, or reasoning abilities, given that their original heart, which you stated is the center of reasoning, has been replaced?
Scientific Observations:

Current medical science observes that heart transplant recipients retain their memories, personality, and cognitive functions post-transplant, which suggests that these aspects of consciousness and thought are not directly altered by the heart transplant.

So, how would this observation align with the view that the heart is the source of reasoning and thoughts?

Quranic and Theological Interpretation:

If the heart is metaphorically rather than literally the source of reasoning, how can we reconcile this with both the spiritual significance of the heart in Islam and the scientific understanding that cognitive functions are primarily brain-based?

Real-Life Examples:

Claire Sylvia:
Claire Sylvia received a heart and lung transplant in 1988 and later reported experiencing changes in her food preferences and behaviors, which she attributed to the donor's influence. However, her core personality, memories, and cognitive abilities remained intact.
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/my-heart-belongs-to-tim-1257635.html

Sonny Graham:
After receiving a heart transplant, Sonny Graham developed interests and cravings similar to those of his donor. Despite these changes, his fundamental personality traits and cognitive functions remained consistent.
But the media says something strange:
https://www.unilad.com/news/health/sonny-graham-terry-cottle-heart-transplant-suicide-667984-20240117

J.P. Richards:
J.P. Richards, who received a heart transplant, reported feeling some emotional changes and new preferences, but his cognitive abilities, memories, and sense of self remained unchanged.

https://livelifegivelife.org.uk/our-blog/33-years-after-his-heart-transplant-richard-is-still-going-strong/

Above examples illustrate that while some recipients report minor changes, the fundamental aspects of personality, memory, and cognitive function largely remain the same, suggesting that these aspects are not solely dependent on the heart.

Elaboration:
Therefore JKhan, I am curious to understand how your perspective accommodates these scenarios. Given that heart transplant recipients do not report significant changes in their cognitive abilities or reasoning, it appears that the brain might be playing a more central role in thought processes than initially suggested. Could it be that the heart, as mentioned in religious texts, symbolizes a deeper, more spiritual aspect of human existence (as a metaphor and not meant in actual fact that piece of flesh we call heart?), while the brain (again not the physical brain but a metaphorical aspect) handles the functional aspects of thought and reasoning?
Hence, call it heart or brain, the actual essence of a man is the soul (Emre would disagree as he says there is no such thing as a soul) and no matter how much you perform heart transplant or tomorrow perhaps a brain too... the person remains the same in essence as the soul never changes and the God's given free will is attached to the Soul (which no sci- can prove) and the fate of person being good or bad is actually linked to the soul who is either performing corrupt or good conducts of life?
Please your thoughts on this aspect.

We discussed in this forum in another topic long back If my memory is right.. You might have heard of ICNS (Intrinsic Cardiac Nervous System)... keep that aside .. nothing won't affect.. Well.. The heart may be removed and replaced by donor's heart. No issue.. and he may continue his life as long as his life is destined by Allah because no-one is permitted to live beyond their date. Though the Heart is replaced, his memory of the past remains unless the surgery went through complications that affect the person's memory. So the new heart won't make any difference to him. Blood will pump as one function and he will start reasoning.. Suppose if the donor of the heart was a good person in his actions regardless of faith, it doesn't mean the person who received the heart also would become good. Nope.. the donor who developed his SELF by vision and hearing and used the function of the heart to reason and this person who received the heart has to go through that process... Since his memory in the form of knowledge remains in the brain with him he would either react with his cultivated knowledge or he would reason through vision and hearing using his new heart.. got me? Just to clarify if you didn't get me.. if an eye is replaced, it doesn't mean the receiver would see what the donor loved to see.. no chance.. function of the eye remains so does the heart.. it all depends on his VISION and HEARING and what he decides by heart based on that.. and the brain is just a memory that can be utilized for his decision through heart.. try to grasp.. it's like you have seen a movie and it goes to your brain in memory... and you don't need to see the movie again to reason on it.. but if you have not seen the movie you have to see it to reason.. VISION and HEARING applies..

Btw ... the soul is entirely different from what we discussed above... soul is the one cultivated as a person and it remains and it belongs to humans and jinn and not for animals.. whatever we discussed was about human physics and the soul is not.. The soul he developed being inside the physical body will depart with what he performed ..

Note: when a human is sent to this world or rather born his physic was pure, his heart was pure, his brain was empty and his vision and hearing not corrupted either, his soul was not pure but empty..(some souls are special like Isa).... but the soul will depart fully packed with what he earned and the same soul will be placed within the new creation... So, is like an external memory chip removed from the dead body but complete story of the corpse remains in it though his brain and heart and vision and hearing decomposed...

[Fusion]

Thank you Jkhan.
So essentially the heart transplant does not fundamentally change a person's reasoning or thoughts because these are primarily influenced by the brain's stored memories and the soul's development through life experiences.
In which case it seems that cognitive functions and reasoning primarily reside in the brain aided by other factors of hearing and vision, as heart transplant recipients retain their original memories and personalities.

Would this change if tomorrow there is a possibility of brain transplant?

I mean if at all that is possible then with a new brain, their memories, personality, and cognitive functions would theoretically be those of the brain donor.
For example, if the hard disk of our computers goes bad, we exchange with a new hard disk or perhaps we exchange with some one's else hard disk (already containing data). So now in our existing computer we got all its vital organs functioning with a borrwed hard disk of some ones else computer.
Likewise, the brain is the repository of memories. Transplanting a brain would transfer the donor's memories to the recipient's body, potentially overwriting the recipient's original memories....

Now some one may argue that brain transplant is virtually impossible... well in that case, heart transplant could have been impossible to ancient cave man.

Considering a hypothetical future where all major organs and sensory faculties (brain, heart, vision, and hearing) can be transplanted, how would you rephrase your last reply ?

Would you agree that in such a scenario, the brain handles the functional aspects of thought and reasoning, while the heart symbolizes the moral and spiritual center?


Moreover, in such a case would this not pose a challenge on the day of judgement based on the record that will be put on our rights hands which contains all our actions? I believe No, this would not pose a challenge on the Day of Judgement as Accountability is based on the soul and its intentions, which remain constant regardless of physical organ transplants. Allah's judgement is based on His complete knowledge of the individual's true essence and actions.
All of my questions that I raised originate from the following verse:

17:85: وَيَسْـَٔلُونَكَ عَنِ ٱلرُّوحِ ۖ قُلِ ٱلرُّوحُ مِنْ أَمْرِ رَبِّى وَمَآ أُوتِيتُم مِّنَ ٱلْعِلْمِ إِلَّا قَلِيلًۭا
Now am not going to translate the arabic word Rooh here to soul as this is debatable but does this  verse  have anything to do with what we are discussing here? your thoughts please

[good logic]

Peace Fusion.
What is freedom of choice?  This will lead to understand partly why thoughts and actions are key for freedom of choice to take place.

Also the intellect is the other part of these processes.

The debate /reflection/analysis of the thoughts by the intellect play the important role of dictating the actions.

We accepted the "Amana"-responsibility- and were given the freedom of choice between two paths to follow  to account for this responsibility.
Thoughts and actions are part of the process. Our thoughts and actions can be controlled by the intellect and  guidance  or intellect and non guidance.
There are also outside forces that influence/interfere on our thoughts and actions depending on the two factors-with guidance from the creator  or non guidance-

Once one makes the decision to choose guidance and starts on this journey ,as well as their intellect, their submission to GOD gives them a helping hand to deal with the thoughts and actions  to start on the reflection and cleansing of both that is required to control the actions and deal with the thoughts beforehand.  i.e GOD will respond and will start the help and the assessment of the individual conviction.

If not, then one goes it alone or /and with others help ,and uses their intellect to deal with both.

So thoughts are a foundation like the mind and body given to live as a human to undergo the test.
Actioning/or not/or filtering/... the thoughts are the measure for success or failure.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

[good logic]

Peace Fusion.

Regarding this verse:


17:85: وَيَسْـَٔلُونَكَ عَنِ ٱلرُّوحِ ۖ قُلِ ٱلرُّوحُ مِنْ أَمْرِ رَبِّى وَمَآ أُوتِيتُم مِّنَ ٱلْعِلْمِ إِلَّا قَلِيلًۭا

I understand this verse differently from the context of the verses !7: 80-89.
 Ruh here does not mean soul.It means simply the revelation from GOD /scripture-Qoran- THE SOURCE OF ALL KNOWLEDGE AND WISDOM is always  GOD.. Like:
Wa Kadhalika Anzalna Alaika RUHAN Min Amrina.

Because the following verse 17;86-89 consolidate this understanding about Ruh here is Qoran:

If we will, we can take back what we revealed to you, then you will find no protector against us.
وَلَئِن شِئنا لَنَذهَبَنَّ بِالَّذى أَوحَينا إِلَيكَ ثُمَّ لا تَجِدُ لَكَ بِهِ عَلَينا وَكيلًا
This is but mercy from your Lord. His blessings upon you have been great.
إِلّا رَحمَةً مِن رَبِّكَ إِنَّ فَضلَهُ كانَ عَلَيكَ كَبيرًا

Say, "If all the humans and all the jinns banded together in order to produce a Qoran like this, they could never produce anything like it, no matter how much assistance they lent one another."
قُل لَئِنِ اجتَمَعَتِ الإِنسُ وَالجِنُّ عَلىٰ أَن يَأتوا بِمِثلِ هٰذَا القُرءانِ لا يَأتونَ بِمِثلِهِ وَلَو كانَ بَعضُهُم لِبَعضٍ ظَهيرًا
We have cited for the people in this Qoran all kinds of examples, but most people insist upon disbelieving.
وَلَقَد صَرَّفنا لِلنّاسِ فى هٰذَا القُرءانِ مِن كُلِّ مَثَلٍ فَأَبىٰ أَكثَرُ النّاسِ إِلّا كُفورًا

GOD bless you.
Peace.

[jkhan]

Thank you Jkhan.
So essentially the heart transplant does not fundamentally change a person's reasoning or thoughts because these are primarily influenced by the brain's stored memories and the soul's development through life experiences.
In which case it seems that cognitive functions and reasoning primarily reside in the brain aided by other factors of hearing and vision, as heart transplant recipients retain their original memories and personalities.

Would this change if tomorrow there is a possibility of brain transplant?

I mean if at all that is possible then with a new brain, their memories, personality, and cognitive functions would theoretically be those of the brain donor.
For example, if the hard disk of our computers goes bad, we exchange with a new hard disk or perhaps we exchange with some one's else hard disk (already containing data). So now in our existing computer we got all its vital organs functioning with a borrwed hard disk of some ones else computer.
Likewise, the brain is the repository of memories. Transplanting a brain would transfer the donor's memories to the recipient's body, potentially overwriting the recipient's original memories....

Now some one may argue that brain transplant is virtually impossible... well in that case, heart transplant could have been impossible to ancient cave man.

Considering a hypothetical future where all major organs and sensory faculties (brain, heart, vision, and hearing) can be transplanted, how would you rephrase your last reply ?

Would you agree that in such a scenario, the brain handles the functional aspects of thought and reasoning, while the heart symbolizes the moral and spiritual center?


Moreover, in such a case would this not pose a challenge on the day of judgement based on the record that will be put on our rights hands which contains all our actions? I believe No, this would not pose a challenge on the Day of Judgement as Accountability is based on the soul and its intentions, which remain constant regardless of physical organ transplants. Allah's judgement is based on His complete knowledge of the individual's true essence and actions.
All of my questions that I raised originate from the following verse:

17:85: وَيَسْـَٔلُونَكَ عَنِ ٱلرُّوحِ ۖ قُلِ ٱلرُّوحُ مِنْ أَمْرِ رَبِّى وَمَآ أُوتِيتُم مِّنَ ٱلْعِلْمِ إِلَّا قَلِيلًۭا
Now am not going to translate the arabic word Rooh here to soul as this is debatable but does this  verse  have anything to do with what we are discussing here? your thoughts please

In a nutshell, remember the BRAIN does not reflect at all... That's Quran and I explained it in detail. But The Heart which is in the breast uses what is already stored in the Brain because of using faculties of VISION and HEARING ... That's saved Knowledge .. otherwise a person has to seek knowledge which is not in the brain.. That's it..

Regarding your future question of Brain transplant or full head replacement... let's discuss once it is done successfully and human lives... Head is not an organ by the way... mind it..
I am not a wanderer in confusion... be firm in Allah's faith...

[jkhan]

Peace Fusion.

Regarding this verse:


17:85: وَيَسْـَٔلُونَكَ عَنِ ٱلرُّوحِ ۖ قُلِ ٱلرُّوحُ مِنْ أَمْرِ رَبِّى وَمَآ أُوتِيتُم مِّنَ ٱلْعِلْمِ إِلَّا قَلِيلًۭا

I understand this verse differently from the context of the verses !7: 80-89.
 Ruh here does not mean soul.It means simply the revelation from GOD /scripture-Qoran- THE SOURCE OF ALL KNOWLEDGE AND WISDOM is always  GOD.. Like:
Wa Kadhalika Anzalna Alaika RUHAN Min Amrina.

Because the following verse 17;86-89 consolidate this understanding about Ruh here is Qoran:

If we will, we can take back what we revealed to you, then you will find no protector against us.
وَلَئِن شِئنا لَنَذهَبَنَّ بِالَّذى أَوحَينا إِلَيكَ ثُمَّ لا تَجِدُ لَكَ بِهِ عَلَينا وَكيلًا
This is but mercy from your Lord. His blessings upon you have been great.
إِلّا رَحمَةً مِن رَبِّكَ إِنَّ فَضلَهُ كانَ عَلَيكَ كَبيرًا

Say, "If all the humans and all the jinns banded together in order to produce a Qoran like this, they could never produce anything like it, no matter how much assistance they lent one another."
قُل لَئِنِ اجتَمَعَتِ الإِنسُ وَالجِنُّ عَلىٰ أَن يَأتوا بِمِثلِ هٰذَا القُرءانِ لا يَأتونَ بِمِثلِهِ وَلَو كانَ بَعضُهُم لِبَعضٍ ظَهيرًا
We have cited for the people in this Qoran all kinds of examples, but most people insist upon disbelieving.
وَلَقَد صَرَّفنا لِلنّاسِ فى هٰذَا القُرءانِ مِن كُلِّ مَثَلٍ فَأَبىٰ أَكثَرُ النّاسِ إِلّا كُفورًا

GOD bless you.
Peace.

perhaps you are right ... i am not to deny your understanding... My understanding little different but not far..

Ar'Ruh for me is The Revealer / The Inspirer in many places and yes you can take it as the revelation as well, but I am happy with The Revealer.. and not Soul... My understanding is open until I get a better understanding from me or from others.. Guidance is meant to reach gradually..