What parts of the Bible are reliable for doctrine?

[Theo]

The Quran endorses the Torah and the gospel, but says nothing about Paul or the Pauline epistles.

Paul was a Pharisee, and the doctrine of the Pharisees was warned against by Yeshua (Isa). Also there is the book of Jasher, which is referenced in the Bible but is not included. Another source is the Gospel of Thomas, which is a record of some of the sayings of Yeshua.

[Emre_1974tr]

No;


The Koran confirms the Injeel given to Jesus. The hadith books written by Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are not Injeel.

These hadith books were more numerous, but at the council held in Bursa, in Nicaea, most of these hadith books were eliminated and these few were sold to people as Injeel. In reality, they are not even related.

In the same way, the real Torah is not on the market. The Torah and the gospels that are now on the market are human-written communist pagan hadith books.

They are diametrically opposed to the Qur'an on many issues.


The Qur'an already states that they hid their true books:

Surah Al-An'am 91: They could not recognise Allah in a manner worthy of His glory. For they said, "Allah has not revealed anything to man". Say: "Who sent down the Book which Moses brought to mankind as a light and a guide? And you bring forth that Book in scrolls, and you keep many of them hidden. You have been taught what neither you nor your fathers knew." Say, "Allah", then let them play in the mire in which they are mired.

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3:187 God took the covenant of those who were given the book: "You will proclaim to the people and not conceal it." However, they threw it behind their backs and purchased with it a cheap price. Miserable indeed is what they have purchased.

[Theo]

The Koran confirms the Injeel given to Jesus. The hadith books written by Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are not Injeel.

How can any text be shown to be Injeel and not hadith?

In the same way, the real Torah is not on the market. The Torah and the gospels that are now on the market are human-written communist pagan hadith books.

If this were true then Isaiah 29 could not exist, since it refers indirectly to the Muhammad as the seal of the prophets.

And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which [men] deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it [is] sealed:
And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned.
Isaiah 29:11-12

An Angel came to him and asked him to read. Allah's Messenger () replied, "I do not know how to read." The Prophet () added, "Then the Angel held me (forcibly) and pressed me so hard that I felt distressed. Then he released me and again asked me to read, and I replied, 'I do not know how to read.' Thereupon he held me again and pressed me for the second time till I felt distressed. He then released me and asked me to read, but again I replied. 'I do not know how to read.'
Bukhari 4953

They are diametrically opposed to the Qur'an on many issues.

Can you show an example of this?

The Qur'an already states that they hid their true books:

And you bring forth that Book in scrolls, and you keep many of them hidden

Your proof text doesn't say anything about true books.

3:187 God took the covenant of those who were given the book: "You will proclaim to the people and not conceal it." However, they threw it behind their backs and purchased with it a cheap price. Miserable indeed is what they have purchased.

There were those before them who did not conceal it.


You ˹believers˺ will surely be tested in your wealth and yourselves,1 and you will certainly hear many hurtful words from those who were given the Scripture before you and ˹from˺ the polytheists. But if you are patient and mindful ˹of Allah˺—surely this is a resolve to aspire to.
˹Remember, O  Prophet,˺ when Allah took the covenant of those who were given the Scripture to make it known to people and not hide it, yet they cast it behind their backs and traded it for a fleeting gain. What a miserable profit!
3:186-187

[Emre_1974tr]

I did not say that there is no correct information in these hadith books.

There may be a lot of correct information in these hadith books, just like in the books of Bukhari and Tirmidhi. But in general they are pagan communist books.

You asked for examples of their contradictions with the Qur'an. Please read my work until the last page:

https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9609978.0

[Theo]

I did not say that there is no correct information in these hadith books.

Do you think that the books of the prophets are hadith?

You asked for examples of their contradictions with the Qur'an.

"Quran 50:38 We have created the heavens, the earth and what is between them in six days, and no fatigue touched Us."

Do you have text that says that they were fatigued? The Hebrew word for rested can mean ceased.


https://biblehub.com/hebrew/vaiyishbot_7673.htm



"Those who have denied Our signs, and reacted to them with arrogance"

How is that a contradiction?

[Emre_1974tr]

Do you think that the books of the prophets are hadith?
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They are not verses, but books of hadith, pagan traps.

The verses addressed to you say that those who accept human words as verses are heretics of hell.


By the way, I said to read all the pages, and your attempt to comment without reading is another contradiction.

[Emre_1974tr]

They are not verses, but books of hadith, pagan traps.

The verses addressed to you say that those who accept human words as verses are heretics of hell.


By the way, I said to read all the pages, and your attempt to comment without reading is another contradiction.

Just as the book of Enoch is not the true Bible, neither are the other books of Matthew, Mark, etc.

Moreover, the book of Enoch is the closest to the truth among them. But it is still a book of hadith written by man and not a source of religion.

Just as the book of Enoch is not the Bible, neither are the others. The priests and other clergymen have decided for you what is scripture and what is not, and you follow their teaching like a robot.

All those books of hadith are non-religious. None of them are Torah or Injeel.

[good logic]

Peace All.

The issue is what is a scripture?
Torah, Injeel/Gospel that Qoran talks about are described as GOD s revelations to Moses. other prophet.s pf Israel and Jesus.
 Has GOD sent a scripture called the bible to Beni Israel through a prophet? Which one?
So what is the bible and where does it come from? What evidence can one bring to say for sure the bible is GOD s scripture? Or any other books that exist now are GODs scripture?

If GOD s scripture comes from GOD Alone ,then the words are GOD s and do not come from other sources.
Similarly what is GOD s religion?

The True Muslims/ Submitters follow God's revelations, and obey God's commandments as best they can. They can be from any man made religions or otherwise -no religion-.

They follow the truth from their Lord and GOD s words/revelation only ,not men s books /hadiths/interpretations of GOD s words...i.e, not the corrupted religions and man-made doctrines of Judaism. Christianity , Traditional Islam..etc

True Islam/ Submission today is like a precious jewel that is buried under piles upon piles of man-made innovations /religions.

True Islam/submission is the one and only  religion of Adam, Noah and Abraham. It was the same religion of Moses and Jesus and Muhammad. It was the same religion of all of the prophets and messengers. All of them were Muslims/ Submitters to God, and God alone.
That is the consistent message from GOD.
God bless you.
Peace.

[Theo]

They are not verses, but books of hadith, pagan traps.

Do you have any facts to support that opinion?

[Theo]

Peace All.

The issue is what is a scripture?
Torah, Injeel/Gospel that Qoran talks about are described as GOD s revelations to Moses. other prophet.s pf Israel and Jesus.

Hello,
The problem with language that uses the term GOD is that it is ambiguous. GOD/God can refer to El, Elah, Elohim, or Allah depending on the context.

Scripture usually means religious text that someone likes or considers to be authoritative.

I agree that it is wise to make a distinction between texts that are the result of divine inspiration and texts that are based on hearsay or religious opinions.