Are Jews and christians mentioned in the quran.

[357]

Hi,

Is it true that the Quran says to not take the Jews and Christians for friends?

Is this referring to Jews and christians or not?

[357]

Hi,
Some times you have a feeling of what something is or isn't.

I checked it and Doubt that Yahud R jews.

Remenbering Bani Israel are the decendants of the jews.

Anyone come accross such a topic, that has been discussed before?

[jkhan]

Hi,

Is it true that the Quran says to not take the Jews and Christians for friends?

Is this referring to Jews and christians or not?

Peace 357

Of course Allah in 5:51 stated in manifest language... Yes it's true.. But you should read 5:49-51 to get contextually and most importantly what WALI means... It's not a friend or business partner but Wali an ally in everything specifucally in the context of the verse is God's guidance and judgement and not ignorance ...

Look below verses to know what Ally(Wali) means..

4:144
"O you who have believed, do not take the disbelievers as allies(Wali) instead of the believers. ..."

4:119
"...... And whoever takes Satan as an ally (Wali) instead of Allah has certainly sustained a clear loss."

2:257
"Allah is the ally (Wali) of those who believe. He brings them out from darknesses into the light. And those who disbelieve - their allies are Taghut. They take them out of the light into darknesses....."

So.. Allah in 5:51 is telling to believers not to have ally by which they would share their ignorant desires to believers ... It means don't depend on their ignorant desires while Allah has revealed the truth.. And verse is clear that these yahud/hud and nasara were disbelivers amongst people of the book who practices ignorance out of their respective books.. So God commanded never make them ally.. Believer should ask another believer to get to know truth of God's revelation and not from disbelievers which ever ethnic group they were..

60:13
"O you who have believed, do not make allies (Wali) of a people with whom Allah has become angry. They have despaired of the Hereafter ..... ..."

So it's clear believers should not depend on disbelievers by making them allies... But is very clear that amongst Yahud nasara sabians etc believers are there like in Arabs some were believers...
Believers are allies to one another regardless of ethnicity... Allah meant disbelievers amongst nasara and yahud and that too as ALLIES(Wali) not friend..
Simply.. Don't depend on disbeliever's desires and their ignorance while you have God's  true revelation... Nasara were most closer to believers quran states not the disbelieving nasara but believers... If they are closer then should believers of Arabs make them distance?
Reflect what Allah means with exact context and exact wording ie  textually abd contextually and situationally of then..

When 5:51 is revealed,  people of the book including Yahud and Nasara who were believers knew it is not meant for them and not addressed them... And believers knew it is not talking about believing nasara and yahud... The meaning of Ally (Wali) is key...

Let me remind finally with below verse
2:120
"Never will the Yahud be pleased with you, neither the Nasara, until you follow their practices /way (Milla) . Say: 'God's guidance is the true guidance.' If you follow their desires, after the knowledge that has come to you,  you shall have against God neither Ally (Wali)  nor helper."

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Peace Br.

Of course as you said these ayahs refer to all different types of people.

My argument is

5.51
O you who have believed, do not take the Yahud/Jews and the Nasara/Christians as allies. They are [in fact] allies of one another. And whoever is an ally to them among you - then indeed, he is [one] of them. Indeed, Allāh guides not the wrongdoing people.

According Lanes Dictionery;

Nasara - who aids and assists another.
Yahud - one who returns from evil to good or good to evil.

In this case they are returning from good to evil according to the defnition of good of the quran.

Also there isn't anyone who can label a people as untrustworthy or bad because of the colour of their skin or religion or height , surely.
Different people will behave differently in many ways.

What make people think Yahud is Jews?

[jkhan]

Peace..

It's not about untrustworthy but it's about ALLY for a specific purpose ... God has clearly said don't take DISBELIEVERS as ALLIES... it never means you should not talk to them or befriend OR deal business or be a good neighbor to them or help them when they in need.. but this ALLY gives deep meaning of protector and not from any normal personal relations or  day to activities but protection of specific purpose which is to exchange the path of God with them.. So follow their invented desired path... That's why God says  you are one of them if you ally with them.. People of book who are believers don't follow their own desire.. But these two intended groups did follow own desire.. And they were disbelievers and they had agenda to turn toward believeers towards their desired path.. Not only Arabs but their own even yahud and nasara.. When Allah says O you who believed it can mean to all people of that time who believed in God regardless of ethnicity.. People of book dosent mean they all believers..

Moreover,  I have no issues yahud OR nasara being interpreted to English or latinize in whichever way..
We can't correlate yahud / hud anf Nasara to Jews and Christians of modern day respectively .. That's far from reality.. And we can't call jews and christians people of book too.. On top of that we can't call modern day Jews and Christians as children of Israel.. It's all over... Similarly we can't call O you who believed to modern day Muslims.. Lol.. Allah knows best what He spoke.. We are just seeking to understand God's  communication written in Quran.. Let  Him guide who deserves..

[357]

Peace Br.

Totally agree with you, Disbelivers can be any , even from people of the book and muslims in general and the type of people in the ayah called Yahud are not necessarily jews in particular, the people who help such are Nasara..(their helper) and again not necessarily christians but can be any.

Unfortunate thing is that in the islamic world people are taught that Yahud are just the jews and Nasara are just the christians.

Making half of the world enamies of the other.

Hard to imagine - how human beings are herded like sheep.

Thanks.

[Fusion]

I never knew there could be other meanings to these terms. Its quite interesting for me to learn your opinion and the relevant citations please, if you want to explain in detail your point of view.

As I understand, traditionally, these terms Yahud and Nasara have been understood to specifically refer to Jews and Christians, respectively, acknowledging their distinct religious communities and shared Abrahamic lineage with Islam.

So what you are saying is that certain references to "Yahud" and "Nasara" in the Quran, especially in critical or condemnatory contexts, are not just addressing those specific communities as they existed at the time but could also metaphorically refer to any groups or individuals who reject God's messages, behave arrogantly towards His signs, or corrupt the divine teachings, and certainly todays Jews and Christians are definitely NOT Yahud and Nasara and even the Momineens which God mentioned several times in Quran may not refer to Todays Muslims (with reference to JKhan's reply), is that so? Please elaborate for clarity.

Could you please also share your views where the Quran also emphasizes the concept of "People of the Book" (Ahl al-Kitab), a respectful term for Jews and Christians, acknowledging the shared spiritual heritage and granting them a special status, are these Ahl Kitab were for specific times or do they exists in todays times as well?

Peace Br.

Totally agree with you, Disbelivers can be any , even from people of the book and muslims in general and the type of people in the ayah called Yahud are not necessarily jews in particular, the people who help such are Nasara..(their helper) and again not necessarily christians but can be any.

Unfortunate thing is that in the islamic world people are taught that Yahud are just the jews and Nasara are just the christians.

Making half of the world enamies of the other.

Hard to imagine - how human beings are herded like sheep.

Thanks.

[jkhan]

9:30
"AlYehudi say, "Uzair is the son of God "; and the AlNasara say, "The Maseeh is the son of God" That is their saying from their mouths; they resemble the saying of those who disbelieved. May God destroy them, how deluded  they are"

Logically ponder would all children of Israel and people of book would call Uzair and Maseeh  son of God and still claim they are that Yehudi and that Nasara which  Quran speaks of?  Then why would Allah say so.. Reflect..

Note well Allah has used Haadu and Yehudi.. As well Nasara ..
With Hadu, Allah had relation cuz for them Allah revealed revelations through their respective prophets and out of them most belied too.. So most prophets were Haadu.. Haadu is like the "people got the guidance"  like Allah says "O you who believed "  It's  God's calling  .. It doesn't mean they remained guided or believed..
But Yehudi is from the same community but those who went astray and made their own religion and they referred themselves as Yahudi not by Allah but Allah called Haadu initially to certain people...  Haadu apears in Quran more than 8 times and Yehudi apears also more than 8 times. Allah called Yehudi when they became Yehudi from Haadu to address them.

When it comes to Nasara Allah never called or named them Nasara but they themselves already named or called Nasara and Allah called in their accepted calling.. But Nasara are two groups too after revelations were decended to them.. one who went astray and raised a new religion and the other those who remained as Nasara themselves as they were as Nasara..

So Allah meant not Haadu in 5:51 but Yehudi and Nasara who raised new religions to themselves.. So literally they were labelled disbelievers unless they reform..
This Yehudi and Nasara had their differences between them but they were ally for a mission..

Similarly, Islam or Muslims and it's a religion those belong to that religion are called MUSLIMS and and they discarded others being Muslim unless they believe in their invented religion..
In simple truth there were Muslims in  Haadu Nasara or Sabians or any other community Allah never has spoken of. People love to take possession of their own of anything... Even God's path. How can God's path be possession of a group..
So this Yehudi and Nasara continues till the end time in whatever modern way they call them cuz these still follow tradition and their sayings...
Real Haadu and Real Nasara definitely follow path of Allah and real believers follow path of Allah and not religion of Islam..

Read all Haadu and Yehudi and Nasara verses.. You need to apply very meticulous thought to grasp it cuz you can only get guidance about this from Quran and don't ever refer outside to understand... That's vital cuz outside source never gonna help to reach truth cuz outside source distorted.  .dont compare Quran with distorted info..

And strangley and correctly Allah stated in 5:69 and 2:62 not Yahudi but Haadu cuz Allah will never accept Yehudi cuz they gone astray.. But Hadu in them wer  Muslims and some faltered but if they believe rightly in God and do good deeds their matter is with Allah..

And in below verse Allah precisely posted out who is who...
5:68
"Say, "O People of the Scripture, you are on nothing until you uphold the Torah, the Injeel and what has been revealed to you (plural) from your Lord." And that which has been revealed to you (singular)  from your Lord will surely increase many of them (common) in transgression and disbelief. So do not grieve over the disbelieving people (common) ."

So real people of the book would definitely followed three books depend on the period they lived.. Torah,  Injeel and Quran.. But Yehudi and nasara only followed their own desires from their respective books with distortion.. Their own religion..
That's why Yehudi says Nasara on nothing and Nasara says Yehudi in nothing..

They all people of the past but invented religions with various versions will continue till the Hour fall.. Inevitable..they all in majoroty for sure..

[Fusion]

I found the following link useful to the context here.

https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=11013.msg69499#msg69499

[Fusion]

I've always found Verse 9:30 intriguing, as it contrasts with my understanding that Judaism is strictly monotheistic, without any claims similar to Christianity's clear identification of Jesus as the Son of God and the concept of the Trinity. Various traditional Islamic scholars have suggested that this verse was intended to address a specific, minor group rather than the broader Jewish community. Considering the historical context during Prophet Muhammad's time, where the general Christian populace embraced the Trinity and the divinity of Jesus, the verse's reference to Christians makes sense. However, it's puzzling why it would also generalize about Jews in the same manner, suggesting a similarity in belief systems between Christians and Jews of that era.

This verse definitely seems to be directed at both Jews and Christians contemporary with Prophet Muhammad. Could someone please shed light on this? It's somewhat troubling to me, as I believe the Quran's words to be absolute, and I'm concerned that my own understanding might be lacking in grasping the intended message of this verse.

Please see this link  https://www.reddit.com/r/DebateReligion/comments/uslvhk/the_quran_surah_attawbah_930_proves_that_allah/?rdt=35279
I wonder how some one can answer the points raised in this link


Thank you