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Started by Sarah, October 25, 2023, 02:28:15 PM

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good logic

The  generations since the 20th and 21st century are witnessing  a hideous empire backed by its allies claiming "democracy"  and acting like a tyrant around the world.
Yes America and the so called west
Its aim is to fill its coffers and hides its crimes .
Pretence and hypocrisy are starting to show on its face. Who is not aware of the games it is playing ?
And with the divisions and racism towards any opposing nations?
Its wars and coups around the world are now starting to show its true colour!

This democracy pretence and  guise, under this umbrella of the united nation is  false . What hypocrisy!
What kind of a democracy  accepts/allows "vetos" ? What contradiction , what injustice!

So its narratives are the true facts by its  definitions and its actions are legal and right!
Its definition of "terrorist" only applies to its opponents. Similarly any other democracy that  does oppose it is tyranny.
It has given itself "police of the world" status and it is holding only its opponents accountable. Friends will do no wrong and will be helped regardless.

The world is waking up to the game. The world can see through the guise and hypocrisy and pretence to keep the power. The world can now see the greed and oppression and injustice.

There  is a stronger power that is going to hold you accountable.
So ,be warned empire of greed and wars:

Thus, the judgment of your Lord is already stamped upon those who disbelieve and transgress/corrupt GOD s earth, that they are the dwellers of Hell.

Look at the get out close ,save yourselves and your people!:

Those who serve the throne and all those around it glorify and praise their Lord, and believe in Him. And they ask forgiveness for those who believe: "Our Lord, Your mercy and Your knowledge encompass all things. Forgive those who repent and follow Your path, and spare them the retribution of Hell.
"And protect them from falling in sin/crimes. Whomever You protect from falling in sin, on that day, has attained mercy from You. This is the greatest triumph."

God ALONE s system is to do what is right and treat people with dignity and justice! Stop your crimes ,you will be remorseful:

Those who disbelieve/ transgress/commit crimes... will be told, "God's abhorrence towards you is even worse than your own abhorrence towards yourselves. For you were invited to believe, but you chose to disbelieve and commit crimes against humanity and the creator."

GOD Alone has all the power, do not deceive yourself and others:

They will say, "Our Lord, you have put us to death twice,* and You gave us two lives; now we have confessed our sins. Is there any way out?"

He is the One who continuously shows you His signs, and sends down to you from the sky provisions. Only those who totally submit will be able to take heed.

Possessor of the highest ranks, and Ruler of the whole dominion. He sends inspiration, bearing His commands, to whomever He chooses from among His servants, to warn about the Day of Summoning.

Warned you are, Take note:

That is the day when everyone will be completely exposed; none of them will hide anything from God. To whom belongs all sovereignty on that day? To God, the One, the Supreme.
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Prepare for the Big Day and stop your crimes now:

On that day, every soul will be requited for whatever it had earned. There will be no injustice on that day. God is most efficient in reckoning.

Warn them about the imminent day, when the hearts will be terrified, and many will be remorseful. The transgressors/criminals/oppressors... will have no friend nor an intercessor to be obeyed.

He is fully aware of what the eyes cannot see, and everything that the minds conceal.

Did they not roam the earth and note the consequences for those before them? They used to be stronger than they, and more productive on earth. But God punished them for their sins, and nothing could protect them from God.

GOD bless those who heed the message, repent and correct their ways.
GOD bless you all.
Peace.
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Jafar

Evil is a set of 'characteristic', not specific parties, identities or social / group identities.
As thus the statement of "you/he/they're evil" are meaningless and illogical.
It should be "Your expression/deed/characteristic of egocentricity, narcism, hatred, lack of compassion, proud, spreading fear, vengeful etc.. is evil".

Because people / character can move in and out from their 'evil' characteristic.
As thus collective wise, no identity or a group of it called social identities in the form of nationality, races, ethnicities, religion, sect, parties etc.. is truly evil (and also thus truly good) it's always a mixture of it.

Because evil is a set of characteristic... and so does it opposite, good is also a set of characteristic.
As thus by learning 'what evil truly is' one can arrive at 'what good truly is'.

Once known, the next challenge is: it's easier to see evil in others, but it will be very difficult to see evil in one self.
Because ego will always do it's best to defend the one self.

good logic

Brother Jafar, with all due respect , your post does not make sense. it is vague.
Of course evil is a set of characteristics, but also parties /groups committing evil are evil.
Do you mean there is redemption and correction for individuals if they choose to change?  That is a different matter .

Evil committed by individuals or groups or armies or... will render them evil . How can one blame  the characteristics or anything else?

Jafar, understanding a theory of good and evil and acting good or evil are two different things.
If the person chooses the act , the responsibility is with them and the act defines the person.

An evil person  commits evil acts. A good person does good acts. While each individual in a group is responsible for their action, the whole group is also.
So ,yes evil can be one but can also be many.( Like gang looting, gang rape, gang genocide...etc.)

What you talk about is not relevant and does not make sense in this topic about conflict of two groups of people . Crimes committed by one group tars the whole group that commits them.
Doing something wrong/evil deliberately. can never be justified.
Thank you.
Peace.
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almarh0m

THE INCONSISTENCIES OF OCTOBER 7
What lies behind Benjamin Netanyahu's lies and Hamas's evasions
by Thierry Meyssan
The official version of the Hamas-Israel war raises more questions than it answers. Here, the author highlights seven major contradictions. On reflection, Hamas and Benjamin Netanyahu, far from being enemies, are acting in concert with no regard for the lives of Palestinians or Israelis. Behind them, the United States and the United Kingdom are pulling the strings.

VOLTAIRE NETWORK | PARIS (FRANCE) | 28 NOVEMBER 2023
DEUTSCH ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΆ ESPAÑOL FRANÇAIS ITALIANO NEDERLANDS PORTUGUÊS РУССКИЙ


On September 22, 2023, 16 days before the attack by the Palestinian Resistance, Benjamin Netanyahu spoke at the United Nations in New York. He brandished a map of the "New Middle East" on which Israel had absorbed the Palestinian Territories.
We are reacting to the attack on Israel on October 7 and the massacre of Palestinian civilians in Gaza on the basis of the information available to us. However, we feel that the official version of the Israeli government and Hamas is a lie.

Seven major questions remain unanswered:

1. How did Hamas manage to dig and build 500 kilometers of tunnels at a depth of 30 meters without arousing suspicion?

Tunnel-drilling equipment is considered to have both civilian and military uses. It is not manufactured in Gaza and cannot be brought in under any circumstances, unless there is complicity within the Israeli administration.

The excavated earth (1 million m3) was not detected by aerial surveillance. Even supposing it had been scattered in many different places and mixed in with the soil from other construction sites, it is impossible for the Israeli intelligence services not to have detected anything for twenty years.

Tunnel ventilation equipment is not considered to be for military use. It is possible to bring it into Gaza, but the quantity required should have attracted attention.

The reinforced concrete needed to solidify the walls is not manufactured in Gaza. It too is not considered military equipment, but the quantity required should have attracted attention.

2. How could Hamas stockpile such an arsenal?

Hamas, the Palestinian branch of the Muslim Brotherhood, has large quantities of rockets and handguns at its disposal. Hamas may have manufactured parts of the rockets itself, but it has managed to import thousands of handguns into Gaza, mainly from the Ukraine, despite high-performance scanners. This seems impossible without complicity within the Israeli administration.

3. Why did Benjamin Netanyahu dismissed all those who warned him?

Egypt's Minister of Intelligence, Kamel Abbas, personally phoned him to warn of a major Hamas attack.

His friend, Colonel Yigal Carmon, Director of Memri, personally warned him of a major Hamas attack.

The CIA sent Israel two intelligence reports warning of a major Hamas attack.

Defense Minister Yoav Galland was fired in July because he warned the government of the "perfect storm" prepared by Hamas.

4. Why did Benjamin Netanyahu demobilize the security forces on the evening of October 6?

The Prime Minister had authorized the Security Forces to stand down for the holidays of Sim'hat Torah and Shemini Atzeret. At the time of the attack, therefore, there were no personnel available to monitor the security fence around Gaza.

5. Why did security officials remain locked up at Shin Bet headquarters that morning?

The Director of Counterintelligence (Shin Bet), Ronen Bar, had called a meeting of the heads of all the security services for 8 a.m. on October 7, to examine the second CIA report warning of a major Hamas operation in preparation.

However, the attack began at 6.30 a.m. on the same day. Security officials didn't react until 11am. What did they do during this interminable meeting?

6. Who triggered the "Hannibal directive" in this way, and why?

When the Security Forces began to react, the IDF was ordered to apply the "Hannibal directive". This stipulates that enemies must not be allowed to take Israeli soldiers hostage, even if it means killing them. An Israeli police investigation confirms that the Israeli air force bombed the crowd fleeing the Supernova Rave Party. A significant proportion of those killed on October 7 were therefore not victims of Hamas, but of Israeli strategy.

In theory, the "Hannibal directive" only applies to soldiers. Who decided to bomb a crowd of Israeli civilians, and why?
It is not possible today to determine with any certainty which Israelis were killed by the attackers and which were killed by their own army.

7. Why are Western forces threatening Israel?

The Pentagon has deployed two naval groups, around the USS Gerald Ford and the USS Eisenhower, and a cruise missile submarine, the USS Florida. Haaretz even mentioned a third aircraft carrier. America's allies (Saudi Arabia, Canada, Spain, France, Italy) have installed fighter-bombers in the region.

These forces are not installed to threaten Turkey, Qatar or Iran, which the Western press accuses of being involved in the Hamas attack, but off the coast of Israel, in Beirut and Hamat. They are encircling Israel. And Israel alone.

WHAT LIES BEHIND THESE MYSTERIES?
Obviously the version defended by both Hamas and Israel is false. We must consider other possible explanations so as not to be manipulated by either one or the other.

Let's formulate a hypothesis. There is nothing to say whether it is the correct one, but it is compatible with the factual elements, which is not the case with the version shared today by everyone. So it's better than that one. It is obviously extremely shocking, but only those who are able to answer the previous 7 questions can dismiss it.

This interpretation is based on an analysis of the complex structure of Hamas, whose rank-and-file fighters are unaware of what their leaders are up to. There it is :

The entire operation of Hamas and Israel is led by Americans, perhaps under the direction of the Straussian Eliott Abrams [1] and his Vandenberg Coalition (Think Tank which succeeded the Project for a New American Century). The Muslim Brotherhood and the Revisionist Zionists, who apparently are waging a cruel war, are in reality accomplices at the expense of the rank-and-file Hamas fighters, the Palestinian people and Israeli soldiers. Here is their plan: Hamas is presented as the only effective resistance force to the oppression of the Palestinians, but it lets Israel liquidate the hope of a Palestinian state, while the Muslim Brotherhood, crowned with the sacrifice of the Palestinians, takes power in the Arab world.

The heads of Hamas's military and political branches are both subordinate to the Guide of the Muslim Brotherhood in Gaza, Mahmoud Al-Zahar, the successor to Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, yet nobody talks about him. From his point of view, the Brotherhood will be the big winner of the "Flood of Al-Aqsa", even if Gaza is razed to the ground and the Palestinians driven from their land.


Mahmoud Al-Zahar, Guide of the Palestinian branch of the Muslim Brotherhood, i.e. Hamas. His authority is recognized by both the political and fighting branches of the organization. In December 2022, he declared: "The Jewish state is only the first objective. The entire planet will soon be under our rule".
Hamas is now divided into two factions. The first, under the leadership of Ismaël Haniyeh, follows the Brotherhood's line. It seeks neither to liberate Palestine from Israeli occupation, nor to found a Palestinian state, but is dedicated to building a Caliphate over all the countries of the Middle East. The second, under the leadership of Khalil Hayya, has abandoned the Brotherhood's ideology, and is fighting to put an end to the oppression of the Palestinian people by the Israelis.

The Muslim Brotherhood is a political secret society, organized by British intelligence services on the model of the United Grand Lodge of England [2]. It was gradually taken over by the CIA to the point of being represented on the US National Security Council. After the collapse of the Islamist regimes of the Arab Spring, the Brotherhood fractured into two trends. The London Front, led by Guide Ibrahim Munir (who died a year ago), proposed a way out of the crisis by leaving the political arena and securing the release of prisoners in Egypt. The Istanbul Front, led by interim leader Mahmoud Hussein, advocates, on the contrary, changing nothing and continuing the struggle to establish a Caliphate. A third group is attempting to establish an intermediate position, putting forward the idea of abandoning politics until the prisoners have been released, only to return to it at a later date.


Meeting at the US National Security Council, June 13, 2013 at the White House. Gayle Smith (second from right) and Brother Rashad Hussain (fourth from left) are recognized. National Security Advisor Tom Donilon also attended the meeting, but is not pictured. Above all, the Muslim Brotherhood representative and deputy to Youssef al-Qaradâwî, Sheikh Abdallah Bin Bayyah (second left with turban), can be recognized.
Source: Muslim Brotherhood
The Muslim Brotherhood is fighting to seize power in all Arab states, as it did in Egypt in 2012-13.
It should be remembered that, contrary to widespread opinion in the West, Mohamed Morsi was never democratically elected President of Egypt; that was General Ahmed Chafik. However, after the Brotherhood threatened to kill members of the Electoral Commission and their families, the latter, after 13 days of resistance, declared Morsi elected, despite the results of the ballot box. Subsequently, in 2013, 40 million Egyptians marched against him, calling on the army to deliver them from the Muslim Brotherhood. General Abdel Fatah Al-Sissi did just that.

Today, the Muslim Brotherhood is only in power in Tripolitania (western Libya), where it was brought to power by NATO. They are only welcome in Qatar and Turkey (which is not an Arab state). They are banned in the majority of Arab states, notably Saudi Arabia (whose monarch they tried to overthrow in 2013) and the United Arab Emirates (involving the crisis between Qatar and the other Gulf states). And above all in Syria (whose government they tried to overthrow in 1982 and to which they waged war, from 2011 to 2016, alongside Nato and Israel). They are about to do the same in Tunisia (which they ruled for a decade).

If the real objective of this massacre is not the status of Palestine, but the governance of Arab states, we can expect a wave of regime changes in the Middle East, each time to the benefit of the Brotherhood - in short, a kind of second "Arab Spring" [3].

As during the Arab Spring, the British services are responsible for the Brotherhood's communications. We remember the way they promoted Brother Abdelhakim Belhaj in Libya [4] or the magnificent logos they designed for the host of jihadist groups in Syria. Leaks to the Foreign Office confirmed all this. This time, they created a new character, Abu Obeida, the spokesman for the fighting organization in Gaza. This man, unknown until recently, has suddenly become a star in the Muslim world, where posters of him are being snapped up. Well-trained in public speaking, he handles symbols with an ease unprecedented among Sunni leaders.

Arab governments are therefore acting cautiously, supporting the creation of a Palestinian state while keeping their distance from Hamas. While Hamas is doing everything to make the creation of a Palestinian state impossible.

Thierry Meyssan
Translation
Roger Lagassé
"He who Created me, it is He who Guides me"

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Sarah

'These are the verses of Allah which We recite to you in truth. Then in what statement (hadith) after Allah and His verses will they believe? (45:6)'

Sarah

Peace

Do Palestinians really want peace?

From the river to the sea is a reference to the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River, meaning Palestinians want to reclaim all of Israel. Is that a solution? Should they not just settle for a two-state solution and put the past behind them? Otherwise, aren't they just as bad as Israel?

'These are the verses of Allah which We recite to you in truth. Then in what statement (hadith) after Allah and His verses will they believe? (45:6)'

KDC501

Quote from: Sarah on December 15, 2023, 06:54:23 PM
Peace

Do Palestinians really want peace?

From the river to the sea is a reference to the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River, meaning Palestinians want to reclaim all of Israel. Is that a solution? Should they not just settle for a two-state solution and put the past behind them? Otherwise, aren't they just as bad as Israel?




Hello Sarah
Do some research on the Nakba and watch the documentary Tantura. You'll be disgusted.  Also when your finished ask yourself this question; if someone came to your family and told you that you had to relinquish your house and land because it belonged to them because "God promised" them it, would you be okay with it? The answer would be no. The Israelis are murderers and thieves. I am not in favor of a two-state solution. I am in favor of one-state solution where the Israelis are gone and humiliated. The Palestinians have every right under God to fight these people and stand up for themselves. For over 70 years they have been living like wild animals in a cage under the largest concentration camp in the world. They have suffered enough and God sees it and they(the Israelis) will be defeated (Sura 17:7). The Zionist are also responsible for every major war in this century and many in the last century.
The Zionist bankers escalated WW1 to barter a deal with England to bring the Americans into the war. They also started WW2 because Hitler demolished their banking system and banned Freemasonry (a fraternity made by Jews). Mossad (Israeli intelligence) along with the Saudis and the States orchestrated 9/11 that lead to a series of wars in the middle east killing millions. And now the Israelis are killing thousands of innocent people most of which are children in Gaza. They're not fighting terrorist. They want to kill everyone in the Gaza strip. EVERYONE. No Sarah. They deserve no sympathy. They deserve nothing except the sword and every piece of land they took taken away from them. These people are butchers. They are not only our enemies but the enemies of every country on the planet that wants peace and no more wars. God is the best of Judges. I hope God paves a way for the Israeli army to be completely annihilated and it's people to be humiliated and driven to sadness and poverty for their crimes.

Regards,

Kevin.

Jafar

Quote from: Sarah on December 15, 2023, 06:54:23 PM
Do Palestinians really want peace?

Dive into details, never stereotyping.
Which "Palestinians"?

Saneful, good hearted Palestinians, Israelites, Druze, Armenians, Assyrians, Circassians, Samaritans (or any other ethnicities) are peaceful people thus definitely desire peace.

While Fanatical, Power Hungry, Dark Hearted, Hateful, Vengeful Palestinians, Israelites, Druze, Armenians, Assyrians, Circassians, Samaritans (or any other ethnicities) desire glory, control & power.

l-nuni

The Israelis 63% whom are atheists, are losing global support.
Expect false flag operation either in Europe or in US fairy soon.
No surprise if an ignorant like Hamas et al actually do it as well.

Hence highly probable.