How can we see the Palestine- Israel conflict from a Qur'an alone perspective

[amin]

Peace

First of all, Palestine has a right to defend itself. The occupation is wrong obviously. It's like non-Africans claiming Africa is theirs because we are all from Africa if we go back far enough. However, the way Hamas is 'defending' itself is not right. They're not just defending, they are committing atrocities (just like Netanyahu).

1) I believe Palestinians have a right to have their military just like any other country in the world however they should not commit atrocities or terrorism. By the way, I also believe that Netanyahu is a terrorist, not just Hamas. But every country should be able to defend itself. Not just Israel. Otherwise, this would be grossly unjust.
2) We can pray for all the innocents, and send the innocent civilians who are still alive aid through charities. Protests are great too. I'm surprised by how many pro-Palestine protests there were. It's good to see.
3) It was totally against the Qur'an from my understanding because you're not allowed to attack and kill civilians! The civilians at the music festival were leftist, liberal hippie types or so I've heard. They were probably pro-Palestine themselves. They had nothing to do with the Israeli government and army.  But even if they weren't pro-Palestine, they were civilians.

"Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors." (2:190)

Hamas transgressed. Out of their hatred for the occupation and for the Jews, they took revenge on civilians. This is not Islamic.

True, but I think Israels long term plan is to take all of Palestine to their control, they do not want a land of Palestine near by.

but as i see, Israel will fail, if they go in the path of hate against native Arab muslims and alienating all their neighbours.

[Jafar]

The "path of fear" is the path that is focused on strength, power and control over others.
And they will fight and destroyed one another for supremacy and control.
Thus resulted in their own demise and destruction.

As such, that's how only the meek will inherit the planet earth...

Jesus used the metaphor of 'agricultural wheat harvest' to describe this:

"Let the weeds and the wheat grow together until the harvest time.
At the harvest time I will tell the workers this:
Gather the weeds and tie them together to be burned.
Then gather the wheat and bring it to the barn.'"
-- Jesus

[shukri]

For me, Hamas is not a terrorist group even in some occasions they are very aggressive and look like "terrorists"
They strive to uphold justice, dignity and freedom for their people
That's the bottom line
Is the one who fights to uphold the UN human rights charter regarded as terrorists?

During the war, especially on the battlefield against the "superpower", anything can happen
The personality of depressed palestinians people sometimes can change drastically
Good and humble ones suddenly become "animals" or even "beasts" beyond their control.
So, for these people, we leave it to God to judge them in the hereafter.

Hidup Hamas!
Thank you.

And the spontaneous "inhumane/cruel action" can happen to anybody, even to the "chosen one" ...
28:15 And he entered the city unexpectedly, without being noticed by the people. He found in it two men who were fighting, one was from his clan, and the other was from that of his enemy. So the one who was from his clan called on him for help against his enemy, whereby Moses punched him, killing him. He said: "This is from the work of the devil; he is an enemy that clearly misleads."

Notes:
I fear/hate no one, please don't mistaken me!
I'm just support the people who has been depressed for seven decades
And i salute the one who is brave enough to fight the evil regime!
That's all.

May God bless you, Hamas!
Thank you
So long!

[Jafar]

And the spontaneous "inhumane/cruel action" can happen to anybody, even to the "chosen one" ...

Yes that's power of Fear which lead to Anger which lead to Hate..
It enable one to perform act which cannot be performed in Loving / Peace condition.

Moses is not "The Chosen One", nobody is.. he is as equal as you, me and them.
Go to the next verse as "Moses realized his mistake" of siding with "his own people" just because he is "his own people" and kill/murder those who is "Not His Own People" and label him as "his enemy / handiwork of Satan", without deep knowledge of what actually happened.

And i salute the one who is brave enough to fight the evil regime!

One does not oppose hatred with hatred, evil with evil and fear with fear.. as it will only amplify the hatred, evil and fear.

[Ronin]

Peace

Go to the next verse as "Moses realized his mistake" of siding with "his own people" just because he is "his own people" and kill/murder those who is "Not His Own People" and label him as "his enemy / handiwork of Satan", without deep knowledge of what actually happened.

That is a sound argument and a good point.

28:17-19 Said he: O my Sustainer! [I vow] by all the blessings which Thou hast bestowed on me: Never­more shall I aid such as are lost in sin! And next morning he found himself in the city, looking fearfully about him, when lo! the one who had sought his help the day before [once again] cried out to him [for help whereupon] Moses said unto him: Behold, thou art indeed, most clearly, deeply in the wrong! But when he was about to strike their common enemy, he said: "O Moses, do you want to kill me, as you killed that person yesterday? Obviously, you wish to be a tyrant on the earth; you do not wish to be of the righteous."

The moral of the story in the verses above, seems to be that if a group of people has enemies among another group of people, they should not "tar everyone among the other group of people under the same brush.

[good logic]

Actually this story about Moses is relevant and interesting.
Moses in trying to help one side of the two fighting, committed manslaughter.  He refused to help the same person the next day, a point that changed his life after repenting and asking forgiveness for his mistake as per these verses :

Once he entered the city unexpectedly, without being recognized by the people. He found two men fighting; one was (a Hebrew) from his people, and the other was (an Egyptian) from his enemies. The one from his people called on him for help against his enemy. Moses punched him, killing him. He-Moses after realising- said, "This is the work of the devil; he is a real enemy, and a profound misleader."

He also said, "My Lord, I have wronged my soul. Please forgive me," and He forgave him. He is the Forgiver, Most Merciful.

He said, "My Lord, in return for Your blessings upon me, I will never be a supporter of the guilty ones."
قالَ رَبِّ بِما أَنعَمتَ عَلَىَّ فَلَن أَكونَ ظَهيرًا لِلمُجرِمينَ
In the morning, he was in the city, afraid and watchful. The one who sought his help yesterday, asked for his help again. Moses said to him, "You are really a troublemaker."
فَأَصبَحَ فِى المَدينَةِ خائِفًا يَتَرَقَّبُ فَإِذَا الَّذِى استَنصَرَهُ بِالأَمسِ يَستَصرِخُهُ قالَ لَهُ موسىٰ إِنَّكَ لَغَوِىٌّ مُبينٌ

Before he even attempted to strike this other  common enemy- As from the previous verse, it seems he had no intention of getting involved-, he* this other Egyptian) said, "O Moses, do you want to kill me, as you killed the other man yesterday? Obviously, you wish to be a tyrant on earth; you do not wish to be righteous.
A man came running from the other side of the city, saying, "O Moses, the people are plotting to kill you. You better leave immediately. I am giving you good advice."
He fled the city, afraid and watchful. He said, "My Lord, save me from the oppressive people."

Then He run away towards Midyan.
As he traveled towards Midyan, he said, "May my Lord guide me in the right path."

May the Lord guide us in the right path.
GOD bless you all.

[l-nuni]

May God bless you, Hamas!
Thank you
So long!

They are despicable individuals who went on a murderous spree, attacking innocent men, women, and children, including Arab Muslims working there. They assaulted girls and children, severing their heads with shovels, all while taking The Almighty's name in vain. Some even seemed to become aroused and exhilarated by their actions. They are even worse than Nazis. These braggadocios proceeded to broadcast their actions live. Consequently, they are bound for destruction, along with the indiscriminate murderers launching "precision" missiles. Again, as the saying goes, 'birds of a feather' they'll burn together.

According to the Quran, one innocent Jewish life is equivalent to millions of Palestinian lives, and one innocent Palestinian life is worth millions of Jewish lives (5:32).

[good logic]

What happened to accountability to check everything before we take it as fact with proper evidence?
Are we making sure that what we are saying has happened with one side or the other is a true fact ?Can we provide evidence of what we say or are we just repeating narratives some could be true but some could be false?
War , reasons for war ,deceit and propaganda go together like a hand and a glove.

But of course one can say what they believe is true from what they see and hear..

Only GOD has the true video tape of everything ,that is why GOD has the final judgement.:

We have recorded the fate of every human being; it is tied to his neck. On the Day of Resurrection we will hand him a record that is accessible.
وَكُلَّ إِنسٰنٍ أَلزَمنٰهُ طٰئِرَهُ فى عُنُقِهِ وَنُخرِجُ لَهُ يَومَ القِيٰمَةِ كِتٰبًا يَلقىٰهُ مَنشورًا
Read your own record. Today, you suffice as your own reckoner.
اقرَأ كِتٰبَكَ كَفىٰ بِنَفسِكَ اليَومَ عَلَيكَ حَسيبًا

GOD bless you all.
Peace.

[shukri]

One does not oppose hatred with hatred, evil with evil and fear with fear.. as it will only amplify the hatred, evil and fear.

Yes, you are right
But it's merely a slogan for those who live in "Fantasy Island"
Like you and your friend, Yoda!

This slogan doesn't work on this planet
And you have admitted it (see Reply #30)!
So, you are bluffing yourself!

Hey, hey, hey
Please don't be mad at me
Or hate me for the statement
I just want to flow my "anger" through you and Yoda!
"And I hope it's okay, my friend!"

[Sarah]

For me, Hamas is not a terrorist group even in some occasions they are very aggressive and look like "terrorists"
They strive to uphold justice, dignity and freedom for their people
That's the bottom line
Is the one who fights to uphold the UN human rights charter regarded as terrorists?

During the war, especially on the battlefield against the "superpower", anything can happen
The personality of depressed palestinians people sometimes can change drastically
Good and humble ones suddenly become "animals" or even "beasts" beyond their control.
So, for these people, we leave it to God to judge them in the hereafter.

Hidup Hamas!
Thank you.

Peace

Good and humble people DO NOT murder 1400 civilians! Are you blind? Hamas are Sunni extremist Muslims. They follow their hateful hadith such as this:

Ibn 'Umar (may Allah be pleased with them both) said that he heard the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) saying: "The Antichrist will pass by this salty barren area i.e. Madinah, in a passage of a canal. Most of those who will come out to him will be women so that a man will return to his intimate wife, mother, daughter, sister or aunt to tie them up for fear that they might go out to him. Then, Allah will afflict him with Muslims who kill him and his followers and the Jews will hide behind a tree or a rock and the rock or the tree will say to the Muslim: There is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!" 3 This Hadith was reported by Ahmad in his Musnad.

There is no Antichrist/ Dajal. Jewish civilians should not be murdered. Hamas will have to answer for their heinous crimes on judgment day. You need to analyse what is and isn't allowed in war. Since when was it halal to kill civilians? People are not using their intellect.  Yet you cry when Palestinian civilians are slaughtered. As Muslims, we need to be compassionate for all civilians not just ones labelled as Muslims. Face it, Hamas are not the pure freedom fighters some people imagine them to be. They have let their egos get the best of them.