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How can we see the Palestine- Israel conflict from a Qur'an alone perspective

Started by Sarah, October 25, 2023, 02:28:15 PM

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Sarah

Quote from: shukri on November 06, 2023, 02:51:50 AM
Please surf the link below to see the reasons behind the conflict that trigger the attack on 7/10/2023:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/5/18/mapping-israeli-occupation-gaza-palestine
(Thirteen maps explain how Israel's military control over the Palestinian people affects every aspect of their lives ... and these are the bottom line or the root cause of the conflict between Palestine and Israel)

My Questions:
(1) If you are a palestinian who lives in Gaza what is your reaction to these zionists aggression and their inhumane approach to your land/community?
(2) If you as a community of the world which uphold justice, dignity and freedom; what should you do or what is your stance on this zionist behaviour on palestinians?
(3) Is the attack by palestinian's Hamas on 7/10/2023 against Quranic teaching?

Any Quran alone follower is welcome to comment
And bring the Quranic verses, if any!
I'm still learning!

Thank you.

Peace

First of all, Palestine has a right to defend itself. The occupation is wrong obviously. It's like non-Africans claiming Africa is theirs because we are all from Africa if we go back far enough. However, the way Hamas is 'defending' itself is not right. They're not just defending, they are committing atrocities (just like Netanyahu).

1) I believe Palestinians have a right to have their military just like any other country in the world however they should not commit atrocities or terrorism. By the way, I also believe that Netanyahu is a terrorist, not just Hamas. But every country should be able to defend itself. Not just Israel. Otherwise, this would be grossly unjust.
2) We can pray for all the innocents, and send the innocent civilians who are still alive aid through charities. Protests are great too. I'm surprised by how many pro-Palestine protests there were. It's good to see.
3) It was totally against the Qur'an from my understanding because you're not allowed to attack and kill civilians! The civilians at the music festival were leftist, liberal hippie types or so I've heard. They were probably pro-Palestine themselves. They had nothing to do with the Israeli government and army.  But even if they weren't pro-Palestine, they were civilians.

"Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors." (2:190)

Hamas transgressed. Out of their hatred for the occupation and for the Jews, they took revenge on civilians. This is not Islamic.


'These are the verses of Allah which We recite to you in truth. Then in what statement (hadith) after Allah and His verses will they believe? (45:6)'

Sarah

'These are the verses of Allah which We recite to you in truth. Then in what statement (hadith) after Allah and His verses will they believe? (45:6)'

shukri

Quote from: Sarah on November 07, 2023, 04:14:50 AM
Peace

First of all, Palestine has a right to defend itself. The occupation is wrong obviously. It's like non-Africans claiming Africa is theirs because we are all from Africa if we go back far enough. However, the way Hamas is 'defending' itself is not right. They're not just defending, they are committing atrocities (just like Netanyahu).

1) I believe Palestinians have a right to have their military just like any other country in the world however they should not commit atrocities or terrorism. By the way, I also believe that Netanyahu is a terrorist, not just Hamas. But every country should be able to defend itself. Not just Israel. Otherwise, this would be grossly unjust.
2) We can pray for all the innocents, and send the innocent civilians who are still alive aid through charities. Protests are great too. I'm surprised by how many pro-Palestine protests there were. It's good to see.
3) It was totally against the Qur'an from my understanding because you're not allowed to attack and kill civilians! The civilians at the music festival were leftist, liberal hippie types or so I've heard. They were probably pro-Palestine themselves. They had nothing to do with the Israeli government and army.  But even if they weren't pro-Palestine, they were civilians.

"Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors." (2:190)

Hamas transgressed. Out of their hatred for the occupation and for the Jews, they took revenge on civilians. This is not Islamic.

Thanks sister Sarah for your response!
Indeed i learnt something from you.

As a comparison here is my answer to the same questions:
(1) I will join Hamas to liberate my country because all diplomacy efforts have failed and no hope anymore
(2) I will support Palestine for sure and condemn Israel and it's allies!
(3) No, Palestine has a very right to retaliate or wage war against Israel;

42:39 When gross injustice befalls them, they stand up for their rights.
42:40 Although the just requital for an injustice is an equivalent retribution, those who pardon and maintain righteousness are rewarded by God. He does not love the unjust.
42:41 Certainly, those who stand up for their rights, when injustice befalls them, are not committing any error.
42:42 The wrong ones are those who treat the people unjustly, and resort to aggression without right. These have incurred a painful retribution.
42:43 Resorting to patience and forgiveness reflects a true strength of character.

Note:
For the isolated case of inhumane action in war such as killing the civilians, the "observers/outsiders" of the conflict can condemn that particular action (if they wish) but this inhumane act will not repudiate or deny the validity of Palestine's right to launch war against Israel.

*David and Jesus, the son of Mary do the same to transgressors ...
5:78 Condemned are those who disbelieved among the Children of Israel, by the tongue of David and Jesus, the son of Mary. This is because they disobeyed and transgressed.

Justice for Palestine!
Just my take
Thank you.
"My Lord, pardon me if I have forgotten or erred"

Jafar

Quote from: good logic on November 07, 2023, 01:41:15 AM
The human ego is leading the systems and the subjects to wars and wickedness.

Not only applicable to human, any manifestation of ego on any type of entity... astral entities / devil / demon / alien included..
Ego bring forth sense of separation.
Separation potentially enable Pride. (Me above others)
And for Pride....



shukri

"My Lord, pardon me if I have forgotten or erred"

Jafar

Quote from: shukri on November 07, 2023, 10:43:12 AM
Hi Yoda!
You are wrong
Fear of Allah will bring you to Jannah!

Take care!


Good luck on your chosen path.. a guide will be available at your service to guide you.


Sarah

Quote from: shukri on November 07, 2023, 07:37:11 AM
Thanks sister Sarah for your response!
Indeed i learnt something from you.

As a comparison here is my answer to the same questions:
(1) I will join Hamas to liberate my country because all diplomacy efforts have failed and no hope anymore
(2) I will support Palestine for sure and condemn Israel and it's allies!
(3) No, Palestine has a very right to retaliate or wage war against Israel;

42:39 When gross injustice befalls them, they stand up for their rights.
42:40 Although the just requital for an injustice is an equivalent retribution, those who pardon and maintain righteousness are rewarded by God. He does not love the unjust.
42:41 Certainly, those who stand up for their rights, when injustice befalls them, are not committing any error.
42:42 The wrong ones are those who treat the people unjustly, and resort to aggression without right. These have incurred a painful retribution.
42:43 Resorting to patience and forgiveness reflects a true strength of character.

Note:
For the isolated case of inhumane action in war such as killing the civilians, the "observers/outsiders" of the conflict can condemn that particular action (if they wish) but this inhumane act will not repudiate or deny the validity of Palestine's right to launch war against Israel.

*David and Jesus, the son of Mary do the same to transgressors ...
5:78 Condemned are those who disbelieved among the Children of Israel, by the tongue of David and Jesus, the son of Mary. This is because they disobeyed and transgressed.

Justice for Palestine!
Just my take
Thank you.

Peace

Can't you see that Hamas are quite similar to ISIS? Both are extremely vengeful and want power and control just like Netanyahu. Neither are the 'good guys'. Hamas went into innocent Israeli civilian houses and just shot up the place and killed an 18-year-old girl who did NOTHING to them in the process. You would join an oppressive, EVIL group like this? Just know that God is not on your side in this case. If Hamas wanted peace they would not be acting like deranged psychopaths. As said before, they are not simply defending themselves. They are TRANSGRESSING. You're not allowed to fight those who do not fight you in war according to the Qur'an. Hamas continuously breaks this rule! WAKE UP.

We care about Palestine but they need a real leader to protect them. They need to stop electing Hamas if the rumours are true that most Palestinians support Hamas. Hamas is inviting more war into their country. They protect themselves before the Palestinians. Both Hamas and Netanyahu are transgressing. Hamas are not innocent Quranically speaking.
'These are the verses of Allah which We recite to you in truth. Then in what statement (hadith) after Allah and His verses will they believe? (45:6)'

Sarah

Quote from: shukri on November 07, 2023, 10:43:12 AM
Hi Yoda!
You are wrong
Fear of Allah will bring you to Jannah!

Take care!

And fear of people which may lead you to extreme hatred can lead you to Hell if you're not careful.
'These are the verses of Allah which We recite to you in truth. Then in what statement (hadith) after Allah and His verses will they believe? (45:6)'

Jafar

For those who are interested to follow through on the path of Fear & Anger:

Fear leads to anger.
Anger leads to hate.
Hatred leads to power.
Power leads to victory.
Let your anger flow through you.
Your hate will make you strong.
True power is only achieved through
testing the limits of one's anger,
passing through unscathed.
Rage channeled through anger is unstoppable.
The dark side of the Force offers unimaginable power.
The dark side is stronger than the light.
The weak deserve their fate.

-- Sith Philosophy

Both the path of love and the path of fear are true and valid.
And it shall lead to the same destination, as there is only one ultimate destination.
Thus it's a matter of preference and choice, as mentioned the darkness also act as a guidance towards the light, through it's opposition of the light.

shukri

For me, Hamas is not a terrorist group even in some occasions they are very aggressive and look like "terrorists"
They strive to uphold justice, dignity and freedom for their people
That's the bottom line
Is the one who fights to uphold the UN human rights charter regarded as terrorists?

During the war, especially on the battlefield against the "superpower", anything can happen
The personality of depressed palestinians people sometimes can change drastically
Good and humble ones suddenly become "animals" or even "beasts" beyond their control.
So, for these people, we leave it to God to judge them in the hereafter.

Hidup Hamas!
Thank you.
"My Lord, pardon me if I have forgotten or erred"