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How can we see the Palestine- Israel conflict from a Qur'an alone perspective

Started by Sarah, October 25, 2023, 02:28:15 PM

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shukri

Quote from: Jafar on November 22, 2023, 10:46:22 PM
Or perhaps you've gone further to 100 eyes for an eye?
When a party f&*d you, you f&*d them 100 times harder?

No, I can't do that my friend!
It's prohibited in the Quran

42:40 The recompense for a crime shall be its equivalence, but whoever forgives and makes right, then his reward is upon God. He does not like the wrongdoers.

My last words:
As you know, I believe in the Quran because of Miracle-19
This miracle is an ultimate proof for me that the Quran comes from God
Any Human/jinn or other God's creations cannot produce it
So, the teaching of reincarnation/tao/nirvana/Returning To Father's House/etc. won't resonate with me anymore
But of course i enjoy to learn this sort of things from you, Jafar

74:30  Over it is nineteen.
74:35  This is one of the great miracles.
74:36  A warning to the human race.
74:37  For those among you who wish to advance, or regress.

That's all from me
Thanks for your time
May God guide us to the straight path
And so long!

"My Lord, pardon me if I have forgotten or erred"

Jafar

The highest form of love is unconditional love.
Thus those who do things based on unconditional love does not and will not expect any reward, as the 'expectation of reward' by itself is an expression of 'conditional', the opposite of 'unconditional'.

As such those who walked on the path of unconditional love will always forgive, naturally, without any expectation of reward.

"Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven."
-- Jesus

Jesus said it because he knew (not believe) about the "Law Of Reflection" / "Mirror Principle" that's being applied on this universe.
And so does Siddhartha, Lao Tze, Yogis, Zen Masters, just to name a few as there are countless others who understood the law.



amin

The Palestine problem, the issue gets exaggerated by external influence, with weapons and support given by outsiders/the west to both Israel and the Palestenian militants, Both sides people should unite to a peaceful cause and forget about religion and racial differences driving away the egoistic leaders who advocate supremacy and killing of innocents. Religion and even race changes with generations and all are temporary.

Jafar

Quote from: amin on November 24, 2023, 12:42:08 AM
Both sides people should unite to a peaceful cause and forget about religion and racial differences driving away the egoistic leaders who advocate supremacy and killing of innocents. Religion and even race changes with generations and all are temporary.
Couldn't agree more with this...
When compared objectively, we can say that Religion of Islam is actually Rabbinical Judaism 3.0
The branch of Judaism with dogmatic approach and hierarchical structure in an effort to maintain power over the populace, which convicted Jesus and John with death punishment 2000 years ago.

Thus act as an evidence of how those two group of people did perform inter-marriage in the past.
Today's Palestinian people is actually the descendants of "Bani Israil" who spoke Arabic, which did not migrate to other area in the past and stay in Canaan. As thus; today's Palestine-Israel conflict is actually civil war among "descendants of Bani Israil".

I'm among those who view that the "Religion Of Islam" and "Religion of Judaism" as 'problematic'.
(ie: how "God" put certain group of people as "chosen/supreme",  bring them out of Egypt/Misraim and ask them to fight the native Philistines (the unchosen/unsupreme) and drive them out from the "promised land" / Canaan)

Thus my hope lies on the "less religious" among them.
Which as the trend show that they're growing in numbers...

hawk99

Quote from: amin on November 24, 2023, 12:42:08 AM


Both sides people should unite

and forget about religion and racial differences driving away the egoistic leaders who advocate supremacy and killing of innocents. Religion and even race changes with generations and all are temporary.



Peace amin,

The key word being "should".  However, that's not the reality of the situation.  In war there are winners and losers.  And no "the egoistic leaders who advocate supremacy and killing of innocents" will not forget unless one or the other is subdued.

God bless you.

                                                                :peace:
The secret to monotheism can be found in the garden

good logic

So Israel and the west-those who- think they can fool the world with their lies and schemes?
Has their script not hit home with people of the world yet? The same script of" imperialism" that is holding the world hostage to their aims and gains!!!

The script of Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya ... before it is similar. The script of Ukraine and Gazza now. The script with their opponents Russia and China to stop them competing for dominance. The script of the third world countries that are held from improvement and are held in economic bondage...etc

Well there is a precedent for this in our human history? What happened to past imperialist,transgressor,  oppressors,deceitful with lies human systems ?

Here is their warning, take heed people of the world:

Lessons to be Learned
This is news from the past communities/empires... that we narrate to you. Some are still standing, and some have vanished.

We never wronged them; they wronged their own souls. Their gods- greed and wealth and power..., whom they invoked beside God, could not help them in the least when the judgment of your Lord came. In fact, they only ensured their doom.

Such was the retribution enforced by your Lord when the communities transgressed. oppressed, lied to their brethren  committed crimes against their fellow humans,...Indeed, His retribution is painful, devastating.

This should be a lesson for those who fear the retribution of the Hereafter. That is a day when all the people will be summoned - a day to be witnessed.

We have appointed a specific time for it to take place.

The day it comes to pass, no soul will utter a single word, except in accordance with His will. Some will be miserable, and some will be happy.

Following Our Parents/ human s rotten/unjust s systems Blindly
A Great Human Tragedy

Do not have any doubt regarding what these people serve/follow; they follow exactly as they found their parents following. We will requite them their due share fully, without reduction.

Your Lord will surely recompense everyone for their works. He is fully Cognizant of everything they do.

What happened to good morals,, good works and good conduct people?
Well done those who heed the message of their creator.

Therefore, continue on the path you have been enjoined to follow, together with those who repent with you, and do not transgress. He is Seer of everything you do.

Yes,those who are not going to buy the lies and deceits and side with criminals.

Do not lean towards those who have transgressed, lest you incur Hell, and find no allies to help you against God, then end up losers.

If only some of those among the previous generations possessed enough intelligence to forbid evil! Only a few of them deserved to be saved by us. As for the transgressors, they were preoccupied with their material luxuries, greed and stealing wealth /land of others; they were guilty.

Your Lord never annihilates any community unjustly, while its people are righteous.

Had your Lord willed, all the people would have been one congregation (of believers). But they will always dispute (the truth).

Only those blessed with mercy from your Lord (will not dispute the truth and will keep on the straight path). This is why He created them.* The judgment of your Lord has already been issued: " Many jinns and humans transgressors will put themselves at a loss- in hell-, all together."

Say to those who disbelieve/ follow wickedness and commit crimes, "Do whatever you can, and so will we.

"Then wait; we too will wait."

To God belongs the future of the heavens and the earth, and all matters are controlled by Him.
Your Lord is never unaware of anything you do.

GOD bless all the just and fair people of the world.
Peace.
TOTAL LOYALTY TO GOD ALONE.   IN GOD I TRUST
38:65″ Say:? I warn you; There is no other god beside GOD, the One, the Supreme.?
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Jafar

Evil has tendencies to destroy each others..
And evil works in/through all nationalities, religions, ethnicities, races, any form of 'identity construct' that can be used to separate people and make them hate/oppress/persecute another.
That is the nature of Pride... I'm superior no no no I'm superior.. I'm the chosen... no no I'm the chosen... I'm righteous... no no I'm righteous etc.. etc..

Jesus understood this that's why he said:
Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth.
Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be filled.
Blessed are the merciful, for they will be shown mercy.
Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God.
Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God.

-- Jesus

l-nuni


Jafar

And do not presume to say to yourselves, 'We have Abraham as our father!,'
For I tell you, God is able from these stones to raise up children for Abraham!
Even now the axe is laid to the root of the trees.
Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.

-- John, The Baptist

It doesn't matter whom your forefathers were, what book you considered as holy, what sect / religion / nationalities / ideology that you identified yourself with.
Every tree that does not bear good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire.

almarh0m


Al-Qurán: 2/120
                 9/97
                 9/101
and AQ 2/140.
"He who Created me, it is He who Guides me"