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Started by jkhan, June 12, 2023, 10:18:23 PM

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jkhan

Salam. 

By looking at the topic itself, you might have got a hint what I am up to. Yes!  From where and for what reason rituals instituted in people's life from very ancient times date back to Nuh while Allah created us for none other reason but to Ibada (serve) Him following His path alone. Don't Ibada (serve)  Satan..

Subsequently, No ritual Shahada, No Ritual Sala/Prayer, No fasting every year in hunger,  No Ritual Zakath mandatory only to their own Muslims,  No Ritual Haj every year pelting stones and sticks.

So,  then what is Deen/ Islam (System)?  What we have to do in life of we don't do anything  of the above?  Where do we belong to or which group we belong to or are we all alone? Never. Let me explain..

God's System is so natural very much inate to human. Anyone on this earth who surrender to His Creator alone knowingly then he has got the grip of God's path.. After all fundamental point of God is "DON'T ASSOCIATE ANYTHING WITH HIM."  This is where the journey begins.

15:41 .... This path leads straight on to ME (reflect Sirath then Alayyi and Musthaqeem)

Have you ever wondered and questioned when God says in His book Follow My path and also says Don't follow the path of Satan. Similarly, God says Ibada (serve) Me,  don't Ibada (serve) Satan. Ponder.

To follow God's path thus to serve Him human had Messengers throughout and God revealed messages and books and we have a Quran now... So logically when did Satan reveal his messages and books and his messnsgers for us to take his path and follow?
Literally no book of Satan.  Is there?  Then why God says don't serve (Ibada) Satan and don't follow Satan.. We don't even see Satan and there is no any satan written book literally and Satan doesn't claim any book that it is from him either.. then how?
Let me explain about God's Messengers and books later. But let me explain God's inspiration and Satan's whisper/inspiration.
This is why no human cannot escape from God's humiliation on the day of judgement regardless where and when he lived. Both God and Satan has connection with us.  Communicating to us.  God inspires to do good and follow His path which is inbuilt in human heart. Yes it does happen within every person in this Earth. God does communicate. But Satan does communicate as well, but natural instinct given and placed in the heart of human is good and not evil(absolutely good). That's why every human loves good for himself at least. Doesn't he? Yes we do love good for the self, undeniable. But doing good to self alone won't make us human. But Satan inspires to do that is evil against what was genuinely taught to human. Every time men wants to be good with his natural instinct Satan inspires choose his path by tempting with attractions. Human chooses against his nature.  Then follows the path which is nowhere written or revealed and given to human.

So one would ponder at this point, if everything is so naturally in built in human, and human is responsible for choosing Satan's inspiration then why we need Messengers and God's written communication? Yes.. None other reason except to convince human  heart and to be a witness that God did indeed communicated to us naturally/spiritually and physically. Why God Himself says His book guides to those who are concious. Coz conciousness already inbuilt in human heart but human prefer Satan's inspiration leaving his own conciousness ..

So,  if not rituals, then how to live? Follow your natural instinct which is always good. That's undeniable.   Evil is not your natural instinct. It is against your natural instinct.  Reflect deep.  Coz I can't bring every example of life here, but think basic points. For example.  Do you like anyone hurt you physically, do you like anyone hurt you mentally,  do you like anyone take your wealth by stealing or unfairly,  do you like anyone aggressive at you, do you like anyone killing your children, do you like anyone mocking at you,  etc etc. Do you like in a nutshell any EVIL fall on you from others?  Then imagine why you want to do any of such evils to another person? Isn't this truth of life? Look at the opposite side as well.. Don't you like all the good things happen to you? Doesn't that sums up that we are created with good and our natural instincts are based on good but good.  So from where evils creeps in? Yes when you choose agaisnt Naturallly built in pattern. So God has guided everyone with basic of basics. Messengers only came to remind and to let us maintain and to cultivate our natural instinct by not choosing evil path
On top of that to let us know what we don't know.

If you reflect deep with what I have written, you will God willing get the better picture of your life and the path of God as white as snow.

In a nutshell, live a well disciplined life in which only good comprises of natural life and obey the Creator and remember the Creator and magnify Him since you have been guided.. That's all you have to do in life. Beyond that all rituals...

Thank you for reading..
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Jafar

Life on earth is about discernment.
Discernment between two polar opposite.
Good-evil, light-darkness, love-hatred, humility-pride, compassion-revenge, acceptance-judgement etc..
Which shall be a crossroad for your future journey.

The creator creates everything, origination point of everything, destination point of everything and is in everything.
Thus it is not in conflict with anything.

Metaphorically, in similar manner as Tolkien is not in conflict with Sauron as Sauron is only a character among many others in Lord Of The Rings universe which was created by Tolkien.
Sauron are among those who took the dark path, while there are other characters who took the light path as the opposite.
Yet each character will have it's unique path, no multiple characters took the same exact path.

Similarly, this Satan character took the dark path.
The path of pride, hatred, envy, conquer/control, ego/self centered.
But as mentioned this character is not 'in conflict' with it's creator / author.
It exist for a purpose, just like everything else on this universe.
It can function on showing how the light path looks like, it's the opposite of the above characteristics.

The dark path is a path that eventually lead to 'dead end' so to speak.
But it is among a valid path back to the creator, thus at one point this Satan or anyone else (human or non human) who took the dark path will need to make a transformative U turn.

This is the game of this universe, with it's trillion of galaxies, quadrillion of stars and multiple dimension within.


shukri

Quote from: Jafar on June 15, 2023, 09:17:46 PM
Life on earth is about discernment.
Discernment between two polar opposite.
Good-evil, light-darkness, love-hatred, humility-pride, compassion-revenge, acceptance-judgement etc..
Which shall be a crossroad for your future journey.

What is our future journey?
reincarnation!
"My Lord, pardon me if I have forgotten or erred"

Jafar

QuoteWhat is our future journey?
reincarnation!

The question will be "as what?"
If simplified; it can be either:
- learning, experiencing and expressing unconditional love?
- learning, experiencing and expressing pride and hatred?

Yet both path will merged at one point.
Every character that you assumed role in and experiencing with, at any point in space/time, is virtual / temporary.
As space/time are virtual by itself.

I died to the mineral state and became a plant,
I died to the vegetal state and reached animality,
I died to the animal state and became a man,
Then what should I fear? I have never become less from dying.
At the next charge (forward) I will die to human nature,
So that I may lift up (my) head and wings among the angels,
And I must (also) jump from the river of (the state of) the angel,
Everything perishes except His Face,
Once again I will become sacrificed from (the state of) the angel,
I will become that which cannot come into the imagination,
Then I will become non-existent; non-existence says to me (in tones) like an organ.
Truly, to Him is our return.

-- Jalalaldin Muhammad Rumi, Masnavi

shukri

Quote from: Jafar on June 17, 2023, 02:15:20 AM
Every character that you assumed role in and experiencing with, at any point in space/time, is virtual / temporary.
As space/time are virtual by itself.

I died to the mineral state and became a plant,
I died to the vegetal state and reached animality,
I died to the animal state and became a man,
Then what should I fear? I have never become less from dying.
At the next charge (forward) I will die to human nature,
So that I may lift up (my) head and wings among the angels,
And I must (also) jump from the river of (the state of) the angel,
Everything perishes except His Face,
Once again I will become sacrificed from (the state of) the angel,
I will become that which cannot come into the imagination,
Then I will become non-existent; non-existence says to me (in tones) like an organ.
Truly, to Him is our return.

-- Jalalaldin Muhammad Rumi, Masnavi

I don't get you!
Say, if you as a good person dies what will happen to you?
What is the difference between you and the evil one in the hereafter?

OR
Do we just vanish after this worldly life?

Just for curiosity!
"My Lord, pardon me if I have forgotten or erred"

tlihawa

Quote from: shukri on June 17, 2023, 03:26:23 AM
I don't get you!
Say, if you as a good person dies what will happen to you?
What is the difference between you and the evil one in the hereafter?

OR
Do we just vanish after this worldly life?

Just for curiosity!

Salaam Shukri,
Just curious, so you don't believe in last day?

Peace

shukri

Quote from: tlihawa on June 17, 2023, 06:04:01 AM
Salaam Shukri,
Just curious, so you don't believe in last day?

Peace

I'm just asking bro Jafar about his belief

Btw, I'm a Quran follower
Before that I was an atheist/agnostic

Salaam.
"My Lord, pardon me if I have forgotten or erred"

tlihawa

Quote from: shukri on June 17, 2023, 06:41:38 AM
I'm just asking bro Jafar about his belief

Btw, I'm a Quran follower
Before that I was an atheist/agnostic

Salaam.

Oh okay, I just saw your message regarding reincarnation, and just wondering how it works with the Last day and The Gathering day..

I heard some Quranist people believe in reincarnation, but I still don't understand how it works.

Peace

good logic

Life is loving GOD our creator the most and seeking His approval by following His commands /instructions /message.
If we love God the most, the number one priority in our lives should be to please GOD.

No one or nothing else should take priority before GOD. Otherwise we may fall into idol worship without realizing.

Yet, some people set up idols to rival GOD, and love them as if they are GOD. Those who believe LOVE GOD the most.... (2:165)

We know that GOD is watching over us and knows what we are trying to do.  GOD is not pleased by our mere utterances, but by our actual intentions or actions to carry out His commandments. When pleasing GOD through our righteousness becomes the most important aspect of our life, GOD promises us that wonderful things will happen in our lives:

GOD promises those among you who believe and lead righteous life, that He will make them LIKE sovereigns on earth, as He did for those before them, and will establish for them the religion He has chosen for them, and will substitute peace and security for them in place of fear. All this because they serve/follow Me alone, without setting up any idols besides Me. Those who disbelieve after this are the truly wicked" (24:55).

Thus if we live a GOD-centric life by making GOD a priority, we reap the benefits, not only in the Hereafter, but in this life as well. We don't have to neglect this life to achieve our goal of pleasing GOD; we just need to be conscious of what our real priority is in all aspects of our lives. Then trust in GOD and act on it.

"Use the provisions bestowed upon you by GOD to seek the abode of the Hereafter, without neglecting your share in this world. Be charitable, as GOD has been charitable towards you. Do not keep on corrupting the earth. GOD does not love the corruptors."  (28:77)

GOD bless you all.
Peace.
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shukri

Quote from: Jafar on June 15, 2023, 09:17:46 PM
Life on earth is about discernment.
Discernment between two polar opposite.
Good-evil, light-darkness, love-hatred, humility-pride, compassion-revenge, acceptance-judgement etc..
Which shall be a crossroad for your future journey.

Hi Mysterious man,

"Two polar opposite" are being created by GOD to differentiate between Him (the Oneness) and His creations (all in pairs) ... No issue on that.

51:49 And of everything We created a pair, perhaps you may remember.
43:12 He is the One who created all kinds, in pairs, and He created for you ships and livestock to ride.

BUT
My question or my curiosity is:

What will happen to you and me when we pass away?
Will the good and the evil person go to the same destination/fate after they die?
And what destination/fate it is!
OR
Will we vanish into thin air after this worldly life?
And no existence anymore!

Note: I'm repeatedly asking you the same question because I am very enthusiastic to know your belief about the upcoming journey of our soul after we die.

Please kindly spare your time to answer my curiosity.
I'm begging you! :hail
Thank you.
"My Lord, pardon me if I have forgotten or erred"