My translation 2:183-187 Siyam..

[jkhan]

Salam...

Here is my comprehensive and almost ultimate conclusion on verses 183-187 which is termed as SIYAM..  I am much content and within my knowledge and guidance it makes sense from all aspects..

First .. let me translate or interpret then let me explain briefly..

:2:183 O you who believed! instituted for you self discipline / Abstinence / contemplation  / meditation (Siyam) similar to what was instituted to those before you in order that you become concious.

2:184 Three days (Ayyamin madudath). So whosoever among you became / was physically sick (temporarily) OR on a Journey (during 3 assigned days) other days. But on those (sick and on journey) who has the capacity /strength to IT (for feeding) provide food for a poor begger. And whosoever willingly contribute more then it is better for him. Anyhow to (Siyam-look above) better for you if you perceive.

2:185 A full Moon of intense blaze /  flare / brightness in which was sent down the Quran a guidance for people and a proclamation of the guidance and the Criterion / Evidence . So whosoever witnessed among you The full Moon (every month) then Siyam (look above) IT (three full moon days). whosoever among you became / was physically sick (temporarily) OR on a Journey (during 3 assigned days) so the assigned number (idda) from other days. The God wishes for you simplicity and not wishes for you difficulty, in order to execute the assigned number (idda) and in order for you to magnify the God as He has guided you and so that you be thankful.

2:186  When he asks you (singular), my servers about Me, then indeed I am near, I am responding  supplication of the caller when he calls, so let them react / answer to Me and let them believe in Me in order that they be rightly directed.

2:187  Permitted for  you nights of the Siyam (look above) the sex to your wives. They (wives)  are fortification for you (husbands), and you (husbands) fortification for them (wives). Allah knows that you used to be treacherous / betraying  amongst yourselves (wife and husband), so turned towards you pardoned / forsake you (husband and wife), so now rejoice with them (wives) and desire what God has destined/assigned for you and eat and drink until manifest the brighter shade from darker shade of the dawn. Then fulfill the Siyam (look above) to the night. Never rejoice (thubashiruhunna) with them (wives) while you are devoted / committed (Aqifun) in the state of submission. This is limits of the God, so never near them (wives). Like thus makes clear the God His verses to the people in order to be conscious.

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So obvious what expected from the people before Quran and after... Yes.. God wants those who believed to cultivate self discipline / abstinence through meditation and glorification and magnification on every full moon three days as checkers from dawn to night by forbidding from sexual pleasure which is a direct hindrance and disturbance for meditation and but not food and drink..

Ayyamin madudath seems a well known phrase in anceint arabic to call three days.  2:203.. Undeniablely Full moon is visible for three days without being able to distinctly claim it is wanning..

Shahr and The Shahr in the verse 2:185 is intentionally placed by Allah without AL (The) at the beginning just to indicate that no one will ever know THE full moon on which Quran was revealed.. That's why called A FULL MOON.. but Allah placed THE Full moon for witnessing.. It clearly indicates whoever WITNESSED a definite thing (The full moon) . So Whoever witnessed THE full moon fast IT (means 3 days earlier verse elaborated)..  2:186 is directly related to Siyam as well.. Reflect..

Thank you.. Any comments or clarifications required are welcome..

[jkhan]

O leaned ones,  and those who research about siyam Salam


Here is an eye opening point.. While I was researching on Haj verses I realized one important factor.. Let me share..

In 2:184 Ayyamin madudath...
And in 2:203 FEE ayyamin madudath... 

Well.. How perfect God is. 

2:184 is clarified by 2:185 stating what those ayyamin madudath is...

But 2:203 in front of the phrase placing FEE definitely indicates the truth of three days..

Try to perceive it..

[jkhan]

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[jkhan]

Salam..

I am updating my knowledge of Siyam in QURAN.. As of now it stands.. But I have gathered lot of knowledge in this regard.. For some Ayyamin madudath means critical scrutiny  and for some RAMADAN means suppressed days or intense difficult days.. And thus shahr may mean like I translated 2:194 before as Notorious evil etc. Whatevr.. I appreciate their efforts and they all not going against core of Siyam and I am also of same track..
If you have noticed Siyam is involved Fundamentally as expiation to reform in other verses.. That's a hectic point reflect and not to neglect it..

Below is part of verse where everyone has translated as 'equivalent of fasting'...thays so biased.. But truth is as under.. And it clearly explains what SIYAM is..

5:95
" ..... or an expiation of feeding of needy people or the equivalent. (Dhalika) that is / such is Siyam (Self control) , in order that he may experience consequence of his deed...."

They took the word Dhalila and joined the siyam and made it to go in line with their invented faith.. Buitt QURAN clealrg says "That's Siyam in order that they experience the consequence '

But lool at verse 5:89 they separated Dhalika ..

5:89
"But whoever cannot find then a Siyam of three days. (Dhalika)  That is the expiation for oaths when you have sworn...."

So in 5:95 God clearly says so step one two three and if you doing then "That's Siyam (Self Descipline /  Self Control)

Note : all translations of 5:95 states "OR THE EQUIVALENT OF THAT FROM FASTING "...reidiculous...it should be after equivalent a fulstop.  And start with Dhalika..

Also note that everyone has translated TASTE CONSEQUENCES  in 5:95 ... Well.. What to do taste  as consequence  of feeding and Siyam.. But it means EXPERIENCE.. so they experience consequence of what they violated by self controlling...

Reflect.. No compelling..

[Wakas]

For 2:184 I prefer this analysis:
https://mypercept.co.uk/articles/Quran-sawm-fasting.html

[jkhan]

For 2:184 I prefer this analysis:
https://mypercept.co.uk/articles/Quran-sawm-fasting.html

What you think of below understanding of Quran alone believer.. ..


https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/fast-steadfast-true-meaning-quranic-verses-2180-2184-280-khan

https://quranthinkers.com/sayyam-ramadan-as-per-quran/

[jkhan]

Peace Everyone..

The most significant point that I perceived of late pertaining to the word KUTABA / KUTIBA is that it is so specific to an individual or group who in  fact potentially involve in it and not to everyone or every believer who never would be in that conundrum or situation. .

You can refer wherever KUTIBA is worded in Quran.. For example KUTIBA for you is Fighting.... We can't take it and apply unconditionally to everyone regardless when and where they live.. I presume you get what I am trying to bringforth... Similarly the same KUTIBA is worded in verse 2:183... KUTIBA for you Siyam as it was KUTIBA before you... And it is not necessary that to everyone on earth Allah KUTIBA before this verse revealed,  the siyam.. Similarly it doesn't necessarily mean that for everyone from now onward the Siyam is KUTIBA..

KUTIBA could mean DELEGATED / RESERVED / ASSIGNED etc..
So if already something is KUTIBA to an individual or group they are bound to execute what is meant for them specifically...  For example the one who murdered an innocent then SIYAM is impulsively KUTIBA according to instructions of Allah.. Or another example if one is on the verge of death and writing a will is KUTIBA for him and not for everyone.. Cuz he didn't write a will.. If he has already written a will why to write a will on the verge of death.. Or if he doesn't have anything to write why to write a will.. So KUTIBA is glaringly indicates it is conditional and not meant for everyone..

[jkhan]

Peace Everyone..

The most significant point that I perceived of late pertaining to the word KUTABA / KUTIBA is that it is so specific to an individual or group who in  fact potentially involve in it and not to everyone or every believer who never would be in that conundrum or situation. .

You can refer wherever KUTIBA is worded in Quran.. For example KUTIBA for you is Fighting.... We can't take it and apply unconditionally to everyone regardless when and where they live.. I presume you get what I am trying to bringforth... Similarly the same KUTIBA is worded in verse 2:183... KUTIBA for you Siyam as it was KUTIBA before you... And it is not necessary that to everyone on earth Allah KUTIBA before this verse revealed,  the siyam.. Similarly it doesn't necessarily mean that for everyone from now onward the Siyam is KUTIBA..

KUTIBA could mean DELEGATED / RESERVED / ASSIGNED etc..
So if already something is KUTIBA to an individual or group they are bound to execute what is meant for them specifically...  For example the one who murdered an innocent then SIYAM is impulsively KUTIBA according to instructions of Allah.. Or another example if one is on the verge of death and writing a will is KUTIBA for him and not for everyone.. Cuz he didn't write a will.. If he has already written a will why to write a will on the verge of death.. Or if he doesn't have anything to write why to write a will.. So KUTIBA is glaringly indicates it is conditional and not meant for everyone..

And I would extend this understanding with some more verses..

3:154
"    Say, "Even if you had been inside your houses, those RESERVED /BOOKED (KUTIBA) to be killed would have come out to their death beds...."

So you can clearly perceive without any blemish that KUTIBA is specific to whom it addresses..

Further you can take into consideration verses 2:178 -179 ...its about Qisas normally translated as Legal Retribution / Retaliation or law of equality.. But to apply one has to commit such an evil act to another innocent person. For instance.. One should have removed a tooth of a person so retaliation applies.. So KUTIBA is specific to the one who committed it. Not for every belever though it is addressed "O you who believed "  .. So in 2:179 ir states Qisas is paving inroads for one to "la'allakum Thatha'qun " generally translated as so that you can become pious... But it is indeed 'in order that you become Concious / cognizant "..

So who are BOOKED / RESERVED (kUTIBA)  to such a situation in life while being believers can indeed be cognizant / concious if maintained either Siyam or  Qisas..
So it is sheding light on the WORD SIYAM and what could it really meant when it was revealed without having to encounter mutations with time.. Yes.. Indeed Siyam is SELF CONTROL / STEATFAST but when one is in such a situation where he needs to apply his quality of steadfastness..cuz it is KUTIBA on those believers who committed or involved in such atmosphere..

[amin]

You go complicated, its so simple, kutiba = decreed, written down, meaning it cant be changed, refers to the rule of nature or laws that cant be change as per owns will, this is same in other languages too, like those sculpted/written down has more value than whats passed orally which can be forgotten easily.

[jkhan]

You go complicated, its so simple, kutiba = decreed, written down, meaning it cant be changed, refers to the rule of nature or laws that cant be change as per owns will, this is same in other languages too, like those sculpted/written down has more value than whats passed orally which can be forgotten easily.

Not complicated brother..let me elucidate further in detail per chance you get what I am up with the word ..

Yes.. KUTIBA does mean written down as well... We all know that and am not to deny it.. Even if you take written down and thus never to be changed, it won't make any difference to the verses' core meaning..

See..  When addressed "Ya ayyuhallazeena Amanu / O you who believed ",  it doesn't mean every believer is mandatorily confined to it regardless of what the message is.. . And it depends what comes the command or info along with..
For example 4:43 "O you who believed don't  approach Alsalat when you are intoxicated......  "

Note well here.. It doesn't mean every believer is intoxicated or everyone are free to get intoxicated,  but it confines the command to those INVOLVED in intoxication.. Would this ever matter to a believer who never get intoxicated? Nope.. So common sense.. SIMILARLY, when "ya ayyuhallazeena Amanu and KUTIBA" is stated alongwith it directly addresses to an individual or group who are believers and they are bound to or as you say written down to abide by it.. Not for those it is not meant with..
"O you who believed fighting is KUTIBA for you "" it's not for everyone. It's confined according to situation and scenario and meant to those who are to defend themselves and other innocents.. If there is no aggression or violence throughoit one's life time in a place where he lives, then why to fight.. It's not meant for him.. It's not written down for all regardless of situation.. Conditions apply.. Fight with whome,  why,  when,  how,  individually or collectively?  ..all these depends on to a person or group who is/are in a situation where there is no other option other than fighting against another who initiated unrest or fought with you first .
Written down or booked / KUTIBA is not for everyone but targeted...  Why can't we get it right.. Why it should be KUTIBA for everyone Qisas / legal retribution as if everyone on earth are bound to revenge on others and as if it happens in everyone's life.. Nope.. No incident happened in my life to revenge from another person.. i wish it won't.. It's KUTIBA IN case you are in such a scenario.. No no no.. It's written down / KUTIBA so at least one time in life we have to fight or legal retribution .. 😂...

That's why I really admire the article I shared earlier written by Dr. Kashif Khan (2018) for the phrase "Ayyamin madudath = Critical judgement or condition "
So everyone won't face this critical condition to Siyam /Steadfast or toil. Yes I do know it's totally different to my above translation but sooner or later I will know with the guidance of Allah what exactly Allah meant.. That's key..

Dr. Kashif Khan who was in this forum also Probably in the past has written below article..

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/fast-steadfast-true-meaning-quranic-verses-2180-2184-280-khan