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Started by shukri, June 01, 2023, 10:22:39 PM

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shukri

These signs accompany true believers:

1. The believers are those whose hearts tremble when God is mentioned, and when His revelations are recited to them, their faith is strengthened, and they trust in their Lord (AQ 8:2)
2. Absolutely, God's allies have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve (AQ 10:62)
3. Over it is nineteen. We appointed angels to be guardians of Hell, and we assigned their number
(a) to disturb the disbelievers, 
(b) to convince the Christians and Jews (that this is a divine scripture), 
(c) to strengthen the faith of the faithful
(d) to remove all traces of doubt from the hearts of Christians, Jews, as well as the believers, and 
(e) to expose those who harbor doubt in their hearts, and the disbelievers; they will say, "What did God mean by this allegory?" God thus sends astray whomever He wills, and guides whomever He wills. None knows the soldiers of your Lord except He. This is a reminder for the people (AQ 74:30-31)

Question: Do we already have these basic signs!
"My Lord, pardon me if I have forgotten or erred"

jkhan

Quote from: shukri on June 01, 2023, 10:22:39 PM
These signs accompany true believers:

1. The believers are those whose hearts tremble when God is mentioned, and when His revelations are recited to them, their faith is strengthened, and they trust in their Lord (AQ 8:2)
2. Absolutely, God's allies have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve (AQ 10:62)
3. Over it is nineteen. We appointed angels to be guardians of Hell, and we assigned their number
(a) to disturb the disbelievers,
(b) to convince the Christians and Jews (that this is a divine scripture),
(c) to strengthen the faith of the faithful,
(d) to remove all traces of doubt from the hearts of Christians, Jews, as well as the believers, and
(e) to expose those who harbor doubt in their hearts, and the disbelievers; they will say, "What did God mean by this allegory?" God thus sends astray whomever He wills, and guides whomever He wills. None knows the soldiers of your Lord except He. This is a reminder for the people (AQ 74:30-31)

Question: Do we already have these basic signs!

Salam..

Are we true believers?  Well. If I know personally the answer for it I would be immensely pleased... For that we have to ask are we forgiven by God?  We don't know.. I know your point...

As a person who has chosen God's path and working hard to be a believer throughot  life,  what I have to say is keep doing  what God commanded.. And avoid what God ordered to avoid..

But let me simplify within what your question.. In one of the above verse it says hearts of those who believe tremble hearing the verses of God..  This is the emotional part of it but while hearing the truth and not by hearing nonsense.. Coz people do get tremble while hearing all nonsense as well.. Emotional factor is one of those signs of true believers.. Meanwhile believers have loads of signs in their actions and in their speach which can be observed..

So my lovely brother... Better we keep these signs personal if in deed we follow God's  law.. In fact you are right we use these signs as criteria to judge our own selves whether we are truly possessing such traits in our real life... So we can deduce where we stand... But hearts of any human being is not able to read.. So I recommend never judge even one believer is you best friend as he is truly a believer by seeing any of his traits.. But keep making dua for what you see in him to augment his faith and actions.. Any person is gullible after being guided also.. Even after going through trembling of hearts as well.. Human is so susceptible to deception ...

So if you have these characteristics that you explain by above verses,  Alhamdullah be thankful to God and maintain it and enhance them.. And be constant..

In my case I will never judge anyone as true believers even how many a sign I see in them... I don't want to.. But I will keep making supplication for them coz of what I see in them...  I love to live with them coz of what I see in their characters but I will always leave a space coz I know they are human like me...  End result will be in the life hereafter then we can make and ensure with certainty your friends were in fact true believers or not..
Yes my answer may look little weird but that's my way with experience.. Coz I have encountered people more than enough..
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shukri

Quote from: jkhan on June 02, 2023, 12:59:51 AM
So if you have these characteristics that you explain by above verses,  Alhamdullah be thankful to God and maintain it and enhance them.. And be constant..

Nope,
I have a long way to go.

Note: The above verses just serve as a yardstick for believers to identify themselves whether they are true believers or just lip service. At least every "believer" knows his/her position in the eyes of our God.

Salam and thank you.

"My Lord, pardon me if I have forgotten or erred"

jkhan

Quote from: shukri on June 02, 2023, 02:22:34 AM
Nope,
I have a long way to go.


In sha Allah keep working hard... Afterall TRUE believers only enter janna.. Am I right?

Quote from: shukri on June 02, 2023, 02:22:34 AM


Note: The above verses just serve as a yardstick for believers to identify themselves whether they are true believers or just lip service. At least every "believer" knows his/her position in the eyes of our God.

Salam and thank you.


Yes.. You are right.. As a person, as a Muslim, one should know where he stands ckz nothing is hidden from the self what he does unless blinded.. Even though he knows what he does and he knows best what heart propels him..

But to use TRUE before believers is carrying little more weight coz True believers definitely end up in Janna.. And if I know I am true believer then I know I am ending up in janna.. But I don't know I end up in janna or the opposite.. So we can't call ourself true believers but we are believing and we acting upon it.. We are cultivating our souls.. Let's end up those who purified the soul...  Let God judge who true believers are..

Yes.. It's an yardstick and we always measure where we stand if possible everyday night figure out what we did today. And in today's life did we do anything that won't please Lord and did we do anything today that would definitely please Lord.. So yes we know who we are...

Thank you brother
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shukri

Quote from: jkhan on June 02, 2023, 12:59:51 AM
But to use TRUE before believers is carrying little more weight coz True believers definitely end up in Janna.. And if I know I am true believer then I know I am ending up in janna.. But I don't know I end up in janna or the opposite.. So we can't call ourself true believers but we are believing and we acting upon it.. We are cultivating our souls.. Let's end up those who purified the soul...  Let God judge who true believers are..

You are quite right
The hereafter is the place where we will know for sure whether we are true believers or not
But in this worldly life God with His mercy gave us some signs for us as a guidance
And the signs given in verses 8:2, 10:62 and 74:30-31 should be ours if we are true believers
If NOT there is something wrong with us
And we should self-reflect!

Just my take!
Thank you.
"My Lord, pardon me if I have forgotten or erred"

Fusion

Quote from: shukri on June 01, 2023, 10:22:39 PM
These signs accompany true believers:

1. The believers are those whose hearts tremble when God is mentioned, and when His revelations are recited to them, their faith is strengthened, and they trust in their Lord (AQ 8:2)
2. Absolutely, God's allies have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve (AQ 10:62)
3. Over it is nineteen. We appointed angels to be guardians of Hell, and we assigned their number
(a) to disturb the disbelievers,
(b) to convince the Christians and Jews (that this is a divine scripture),
(c) to strengthen the faith of the faithful,
(d) to remove all traces of doubt from the hearts of Christians, Jews, as well as the believers, and
(e) to expose those who harbor doubt in their hearts, and the disbelievers; they will say, "What did God mean by this allegory?" God thus sends astray whomever He wills, and guides whomever He wills. None knows the soldiers of your Lord except He. This is a reminder for the people (AQ 74:30-31)

Question: Do we already have these basic signs!

Islam is a universal deen and we humans are chosen by God almighty to represent khilafa on earth which should be an honor as well as a test.
All of those verses you mentioned are no doubt serve as a yard stick but please understand the holistic view which is that the Prophet Muḥammad, however, reputedly remarked: "No rahbānīyah in Islām." Tradition also attributes to him the saying: "Do not trouble yourselves and God will not trouble you. Some have troubled themselves and God has troubled them. Their likes are in the hermitages and monasteries." Such traditions were believed by many Muslim authorities on Ḥadīth (sayings of the Prophet) to have been coined by those who believed that Islām does not prohibit monasticism as a form of asceticism but condemns it only when it imitates Christian monasticism's traditional removal from the secular world.

Chapter 2:30 onwards:
When the time came for Homo sapiens, the descendants of earlier inhabitants, to inherit the earth, the angels were taken aback. Until then, no creature had dared to defy the divine laws. Man was bestowed with autonomy and freedom of will, which meant he could even disobey the laws of Allah. The angels, concerned about the potential consequences, questioned the wisdom of settling such a creature upon the earth. They feared rebellion, bloodshed, and disorder, for they were accustomed to fulfilling their assigned duties and upholding the symmetry of the divine system.

In response, the Creator of the Universe reminded the angels that their knowledge was limited, while His encompassed the entirety of creation. Unlike them, man was gifted with the capacity to acquire knowledge about the workings of the universe and the interrelationships between its elements. The angels acknowledged the vastness of Allah's plan and admitted their own limitations. Allah then commanded Adam to share his knowledge with the angels, emphasizing that He knew His creations comprehensively, both their present functioning and latent potential.

While the angels submitted to this divine decree, Iblees, consumed by defiance, refused to bow before man and thus became one of those who deny the truth.

As man settled on the earth, initially, their needs were limited, and sustenance was abundant. There was no distinction of ownership, and harmony prevailed among humanity. But driven by selfish desires, humans gradually abandoned the divine system, leading to the loss of their blissful existence. They became divided into races, tribes, and nations, with enmity and the powerful usurping resources meant for all.

Yet, humanity was destined to dwell on earth for a long time, and sustenance remained a crucial need. Was there no solution to this self-inflicted predicament?

Indeed, there was a solution, but it could not be discovered by human intellect alone. Reason alone, though guiding individuals in securing personal interests, could not foster collective security and survival. Humanity could only regain its blissful life through divine guidance, for Allah is Oft-Returning, full of compassion.

Thus, when man lost his paradise, Allah sent guidance through His messengers. Those who embraced this guidance would find solace and protection, while those who rejected it would experience torment in this world and the next.

This narrative serves as a living illustration of the fundamental principle that those who adhere to divine laws prosper, while those who deviate from them face ruin. The Bani-Israel, in their opposition to these laws, stand as a contemporary example. They are urged to reflect upon their history, remembering the time when they lived in accordance with Allah's laws, which brought them happiness, success, and eminence. However, when they strayed, they witnessed disgrace and ignominy.

Today, they have an opportunity to reclaim their lost paradise. By fulfilling their covenant with Allah, by adhering to His laws, they can overcome the fear of ungodly forces and receive the promised fulfillment of Allah's assurances. They are urged to believe in the Quran, the code of laws revealed through the Prophet, and to embrace its teachings, for it holds the key to their salvation and surpasses any temporal advantages they may possess.

Brothers and sisters, let us reflect on this narrative and its timeless wisdom. May we learn from the mistakes of the past and embrace the divine guidance bestowed upon us. By living in accordance with the Quran, we can find peace, purpose, and the true fulfillment of our covenant with Allah.

May Allah guide us all on the path of righteousness and grant us the wisdom to follow His laws. Ameen.
Best Regards,

shukri

Quote from: Fusion on June 02, 2023, 05:13:53 AM
All of those verses you mentioned are no doubt serve as a yard stick but please understand the holistic view which is that the Prophet Muḥammad, however, reputedly remarked: "No rahbānīyah in Islām." Tradition also attributes to him the saying: "Do not trouble yourselves and God will not trouble you ...

I do not trouble myself with rahbānīyah
Rahbānīyah is not decreed by God in the Quran.

57:27 Subsequent to them, we sent our messengers. We sent Jesus the son of Mary, and we gave him the Injeel (Gospel), and we placed in the hearts of his followers kindness and mercy. But they invented hermitism which we never decreed for them...

Note: The signs in verses 8:2, 10:62 and 74:30-31 i believe are interrelated to our sincerity to God. Only sincere people with no shirk will possess the signs. Ego is one of them i suppose!
"My Lord, pardon me if I have forgotten or erred"

jkhan

Quote from: shukri on June 02, 2023, 04:58:00 AM
You are quite right
The hereafter is the place where we will know for sure whether we are true believers or not
But in this worldly life God with His mercy gave us some signs for us as a guidance
And the signs given in verses 8:2, 10:62 and 74:30-31 should be ours if we are true believers
If NOT there is something wrong with us
And we should self-reflect!

Just my take!
Thank you.

Salam..
Excellent brother I understand you...

One thing we should perceive. Believers are not a group who exempted from making errors or fall in to trap of Satan.. When you read Quran we realize that believers including prophet have done blunders.. But still they are believers coz that's their weapon but as a human keep making errors.. O you who believe don't near salat while intoxicated.. It shows bekeievers but still can go wrong.. In the story of Talut believers disn't follow.. Believers can do many mistakes.. If you read many a verse in Quran that believers have done wrong and they are and they will.. So.. Being a believer may have good characteristics and unfortunately may have bad traits as well. But they are believers and a whole.. They ask for forgiveness always say and night with reason.. Sometimes error may be very minute in magnitude but error is error. So we human eventhough believers cannot institute purity to ourselves... But we have to purify..
Anyway let me not extend your topic to some other level and make you tired unnecessarily  .. But I hope you got what I say in a nutshell.  Yes as you say we should know who we are.. But God knows more than we know about ourselves.. Our own selves don't know many things about our ownselvws.. Whatever we know is we know.. But that we don't know about us is more.. Let's purify..
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jkhan

Quote from: shukri on June 02, 2023, 06:47:12 AM
I do not trouble myself with rahbānīyah
Rahbānīyah is not decreed by God in the Quran.

57:27 Subsequent to them, we sent our messengers. We sent Jesus the son of Mary, and we gave him the Injeel (Gospel), and we placed in the hearts of his followers kindness and mercy. But they invented hermitism which we never decreed for them...

Note: The signs in verses 8:2, 10:62 and 74:30-31 i believe are interrelated to our sincerity to God. Only sincere people with no shirk will possess the signs. Ego is one of them i suppose!

Lovely brother Shukri.. Salam..

2:264 "O you who have believed, do not invalidate your charities with reminders or injury as does one who spends his wealth [only] to be seen by the people and does not believe in Allah and the Last Day.  ...."

I hope you didn't misunderstand me...  What I want assert here is believers are not perfect sort from very few who are almost perfect...
The reason I furnished above verse is to denote a point. When God says O you be home believe, it can only be believers of that era specifically and perhaps all time as well depending on context.. So. Here believers are advised not to validate by doing it for showing or even harm and injure  or keep reminding the help done.. As a human it can happen.. But if not reform as believer then it is disgusting.. The point is since you question is are we true believers, it might have happened by even believers, so we don't know God forgave or not.. And those who did injure or reminded their sadaqa might not have done again in life like that but we cannot conclude we are true believers until we have an assurance from God thatvwe forgiven.. We will never know we are forgiven by God.. It's totally the willingness of God to choose what He wants.. So life after only let us know to your question the answer... But we know who we are. Of course we do know.. Let's leave it to God.. Agree?  Coz you know Sunni Muslims woukd say they are true believers and they are convinced what they do is right.. But not in our eyes unfortunately coz we see the characteristics... So we don't judge.. Let God judge who they are..
Thank you..
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shukri

Quote from: jkhan on June 03, 2023, 01:24:31 AM
Coz you know Sunni Muslims would say they are true believers and they are convinced what they do is right.. But not in our eyes unfortunately coz we see the characteristics... So we don't judge.. Let God judge who they are.

I judge nobody
Our final destination (i.e. hell or paradise) no one knows except Allah
I just gave a list of signs accompany true believers according to the Quran verses
And it applies to all the people (sunni, shia, quranist, etc.) who take the Quran as their guidance.

Note: The main purpose of this thread is to remind Quran followers including me, that whoever we are viz. prominent scholars, good debaters, ulamas, etc. we are nowhere if all the signs in verses 8:2, 10:62 and 74:30-31 fail to accompany us in this worldly life. We have not yet met the Quranic benchmark of true believers. 

Thank you.
"My Lord, pardon me if I have forgotten or erred"