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You would find many a contradiction in it (Quran) 4:82

Started by jkhan, May 23, 2023, 09:04:16 AM

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jkhan

Peace everyone..

Present you views about the below verse..

4:82 "Then do they not reflect upon the Qur'an? If it had been from [any] other than Allah , they would have found within it much contradiction/discrepancy"

Now time has elapsed and the technology is in its peak...
Is this verse a challenge or just information...  It has to be taken seriously... So I take this verse as a challenge...
Now what contradiction is unless compared or scrutinised the verses of Quran in its true sense... How can one know contradiction before reading and understanding the entire Quran first.. Suppose one is comprehensive to certain extent about or within Quran... So another person challenges there is / contradiction/s... So suppose a believer who doesn't understand the particular verse may think the person who claims there is contradiction is right.. Coz there is no one who negates his claim... I am talking practical point of view. .. But there could be another set of believers who won't negate such claim but they would understand his complaint is fragile and Quran verse is right... For that they may have strong evidence...but there may another group of believers even they bring or show kind of contradictory verses they won't mind and they believe in Quran and God regardless of what others say... No harm...
But for critical thinkers they should reflect as rightly said by Allah in the verse... And with their wisdom they should perceive Quran is right and not the contradictory claim raised by such and such... To do this he should possess guidance and pure knowledge... This verse is never meant for peasant people but for highly reflecting people within Quran... Suppose one would say,  God says He has sent Messengers to every nation buy at the same time God says for fathers of Mohamed's nation were not warned... So it is contradictory... So..  4:82 is in fact a challenge to those who passed knowledge.. If one cannot logically and truthfully deny a claim raised then it may and up his claim is justified.. So there is contradiction... 

But those who claim there is contradiction in Quran they should debate not just say or make a video in their comfort zone.. God says you would find many a contraction unless it is from God... So if from God No contradiction... So who is responsible to say that there is no contradictions.. Yes... Only guided believers can do... But.. In a different angle those believers Know there is no contradictions but they won't debate either but they have answers as well for such claims.. The verse is in fact only meant for believers who are highly intelligent.. So they they won't find contradictions in it even after they critically reflect upon the verses...

Thank you...

jkhan

Quote from: jkhan on May 23, 2023, 09:04:16 AM
Peace everyone..

Present you views about the below verse..

4:82 "Then do they not reflect upon the Qur'an? If it had been from [any] other than Allah , they would have found within it much contradiction/discrepancy"

Now time has elapsed and the technology is in its peak...
Is this verse a challenge or just information...  It has to be taken seriously... So I take this verse as a challenge...
Now what contradiction is unless compared or scrutinised the verses of Quran in its true sense... How can one know contradiction before reading and understanding the entire Quran first.. Suppose one is comprehensive to certain extent about or within Quran... So another person challenges there is / contradiction/s... So suppose a believer who doesn't understand the particular verse may think the person who claims there is contradiction is right.. Coz there is no one who negates his claim... I am talking practical point of view. .. But there could be another set of believers who won't negate such claim but they would understand his complaint is fragile and Quran verse is right... For that they may have strong evidence...but there may another group of believers even they bring or show kind of contradictory verses they won't mind and they believe in Quran and God regardless of what others say... No harm...
But for critical thinkers they should reflect as rightly said by Allah in the verse... And with their wisdom they should perceive Quran is right and not the contradictory claim raised by such and such... To do this he should possess guidance and pure knowledge... This verse is never meant for peasant people but for highly reflecting people within Quran... Suppose one would say,  God says He has sent Messengers to every nation buy at the same time God says for fathers of Mohamed's nation were not warned... So it is contradictory... So..  4:82 is in fact a challenge to those who passed knowledge.. If one cannot logically and truthfully deny a claim raised then it may and up his claim is justified.. So there is contradiction... 

But those who claim there is contradiction in Quran they should debate not just say or make a video in their comfort zone.. God says you would find many a contraction unless it is from God... So if from God No contradiction... So who is responsible to say that there is no contradictions.. Yes... Only guided believers can do... But.. In a different angle those believers Know there is no contradictions but they won't debate either but they have answers as well for such claims.. The verse is in fact only meant for believers who are highly intelligent.. So they they won't find contradictions in it even after they critically reflect upon the verses...

Thank you...

Regarding a question of whatsapp... What about producing a chapter similar to Quran.... Isn't that a challenge?  Yes of course it is a challenge... But in my understanding that challenge is over with the demise of Prophet... Coz even anyone produce anything similar to any chapter of Quran,  no one is authorised to verify what those produced.... In case if they produced any chapter and presented to prophet Mohamed then God woupd have pointed out the flaws in them through the messenger... So.. No more communication with God directly for anyone... So that challenge is void in my understanding ... It will only be useless never ending argument in that case... God challenged and God would have replied in case they produced... even A presented a chapter now who cares,  ... So if no one to care about what one produced then it simply says God's challenge is over..  Coz challenged and being silent is meaningless... But 4:82 stands... Coz...  Quran does exist and it is for believers to ponder whether there is contradiction with rapidly growing technology... Coz God has various verses which can be perceived in the light of true science... Disbelievers can say anything... But believers always will reflect in depth...

Nom de plume

peace!

4:82  اختلفا akhtilāfāan/divergences (contradictions) of  كثىرا kathīrāan/many of
akhtilāfāan (trailing alif) occurs once in Qur'an otherwise a contradiction!

5th line from top 4th word
https://corpuscoranicum.de/en/manuscripts/73/page/17v?sura=4&verse=82

another example concerning fingerprints
75:3 اىحسب do calculated الانسن the humankind الن that not نجمع we assemble عظمه bones his
75:4 بلى nay قدرىن capable (able) we على on ان that نسوى we restore بنانه fingertip his


individual fingerprints are unique if not true or any prints same e.g.
if identical twins didn't have unique prints would be a contradiction!



numerous examples from inheritance which everyone gets wrong e.g.

4:12 ولكم and for you نصف half ما /what ترك left ازوجكم spouses yours (pl.) ...
ولهن and for them (feminine pl.) الربع the fourth مما mimmā/from what تركتم left you


مما mimmā/from what (take from the whole/pay first)
ما /what (take after paying off those others first)

example: husband mother father (correctly)
1/3 mother (specific per 4:11)
1/3 husband (1/2 * 2/3 what left)
1/3 father (remainder)

example: wife mother father (correctly)
1/3 mother (specific per 4:11)
1/4 wife (take from the whole)
5/12 father (remainder)

if to husband مما mimmā/from what (extra meem)

example: husband mother father (incorrectly)
1/3 mother (specific per 4:11)
1/2 husband (take from the whole)
1/6 father (remainder)

6th line from top 3rd word from the end (left)
https://corpuscoranicum.de/en/manuscripts/73/page/13r?sura=4&verse=12

Fusion

Please allow me to re-state what has been said in this thread, so point out if I misunderstood.
Based on the examples provided by Mr. Nom:

In reference to verse 4:82, he points out that the word "akhtilāfāan" (divergences/contradictions) occurs only once in the Quran. He suggests that this lack of repetition indicates that the Quran is free from contradictions.

He also mentions verse 75:3-4, which discusses the restoration of a person's fingertips. He argues that individual fingerprints are unique, and if identical twins did not have unique fingerprints, it would contradict this verse.

Another example he presents relates to inheritance laws mentioned in verse 4:12. He discusses the different shares allocated to spouses, mothers, fathers, and the concept of taking from the whole or paying off others first. He points out that some interpretations may result in incorrect distributions of inheritance.

In essence, Mr. Nom is drawing attention to specific verses and suggesting that these examples demonstrate either the absence of contradictions in the Quran or potential discrepancies in interpretation.

Coming back the original question of this thread, I feel that through deep contemplation and reflection, it becomes evident that there exists a clear distinction between human emotions and divine legislation. Human emotions are characterized by inconsistency, where individuals may express one thing verbally, engage in different actions during the day, and harbor contrasting thoughts in their hearts. However, the legislation of God, the Quran, is devoid of any contradictions. It presents a unified reality from various perspectives. If it were the words of someone other than God, it would undoubtedly contain numerous discrepancies (2:23).

Despite the presentation of compelling evidence and proofs, if one finds oneself in doubt or psychological confusion regarding the authenticity of the code of life bestowed upon us through the intercession of the Prophet, the simplest way to dispel such doubt is to propose an alternative plan for human life. Assemble all the intellectuals, thinkers, civilizational and political authorities of your society into a committee, excluding divine revelation alone, and challenge them to produce even a single chapter similar to the Quran. If you genuinely believe that you are incapable of determining whether this code is from God or not, and if you are merely harboring doubts and suspicions to protect your vested interests, then you must indeed accept this challenge (11:13; 10:38).

It is important to address the question of whether this challenge persists today or was solely applicable during the lifetime of the Prophet. The challenge was initially presented during the time of the Prophet as a means to affirm the divine origin of the Quran. As the Prophet was the recipient of direct revelation, he served as the ultimate authority to verify and authenticate any attempts to produce a similar scripture. However, in the present day, without the presence of the Prophet, the challenge no longer holds the same weight. While the Quran remains as a testament to its divine nature, the challenge itself was specific to the historical context of the Prophet's era.







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