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Did Mary Fornicate? The Quran Disproves Miracle Birth of Jesus

Started by Euphoric, November 21, 2023, 09:01:55 AM

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DISCLAIMER Mary and Jesus of Christianity were not Mariam and Eissa of the Quran:

Mariam vs Mary https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9612449.msg442313#msg442313

Eissa vs Jesus https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9612092.msg439931#msg439931


QURANIC NARRATIVE ON REPRODUCTION

It is undeniable fact that the Quran speaks about the development of human life.

In 23:12-14

12 And indeed, We created Insaan from an extract of clay,

13 then placed each as a sperm-drop in a secure place, then We developed the drop into a clinging clot, then developed the clot into a lump,

14 then developed the lump into bones, then clothed the bones with flesh, then We brought it into being as a new creation. So Blessed is Allah, the Best of Creators.

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In 39:06

06 He created you from a single nafs, then made from it pairs; and He send down to you livestock - eight kinds in pairs. He creates you in the wombs of your mothers, in successive formations, in a triple darkness. Such is God, your Lord, His is the Kingdom. There is no god but He. So what made you deviate?

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In 53:45-46

45 And that He created the two pairs, the male and the female,

46 From a sperm drop when it is ejaculated;

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In 75:37-38

37 Was he not a sperm-drop ejaculated?

38 Thereafter he was a clot. So He created, then He molded

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In 96:02

02 created Insaan from a clinging clot

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Quranic Verses in Support of Human Development 11:61,19:67, 23:12, 25:54, 30:20, 32:7-8, 53:46, 56:58, 75:37, 76:2, 80:19-20
16:4, 18:37, 23:13, 35:11, 53:46, 75:37, 76:2, 80:19


STAGES MENTIONED

- Nutfah amshaj (drop that is mixed) this stage covers the period from fertilization to implantation. This stage is further divided into: (present day germinal stage): Khalq, Taqdir, Harth.

- Takhleeq (present day embryonic): this stage extends from the beginning of the 3rd week until the end of the 8th week and covers the developmental events. This stage is further divided into: Alaqah (leech-like), Mudghah (somites), Izam (skeleton) and Laham (muscles).

- Nash'ah (Growth) [present day Foetal stage] During this period the shaping and modelling are active, the external appearance develops in such a way that foetus becomes recognizably human.It lasts till the completion of pregnancy. It is further divided into: An-nashaa-Khalaqakha (from 9–26wks) and Al Hadana-al Rahamiya (from 26 weeks to full term). This could be an apt way of classifying the various stages of human development.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3068791/

To be continued...

Euphoric

THE CHRISTIAN CLAIM

Matthew 1:16-25

16 and Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, and Mary was the mother of Jesus who is called the Messiah.

17 Thus there were fourteen generations in all from Abraham to David, fourteen from David to the exile to Babylon, and fourteen from the exile to the Messiah.

18 This is how the birth of Jesus the Messiah came about : His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be pregnant through the Holy Spirit.

19 Because Joseph her husband was faithful to the law, and yet did not want to expose her to public disgrace, he had in mind to divorce her quietly.

20 But after he had considered this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, "Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit.

21 She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins."

22 All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet:

23 "The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel" (which means "God with us"). - Isaiah 7:14

24 When Joseph woke up, he did what the angel of the Lord had commanded him and took Mary home as his wife.

25 But he did not consummate their marriage until she gave birth to a son. And he gave him the name Jesus.

There is a lot to call out in this story, but the main focus is Mary.

The concept of virgin conceiving and giving birth is nonexistent in the Quran. However, it is not impossible for a virgin to conceive and give birth. All she is required is sperm, as the Quran clearly mentions.

Now, where did Mary get the sperm from, if not from Joseph, and whose sperm was it?

Who was the Holy Spirit?