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Verses 2:183-184 are not related to 2:185 Shahro Ramadhaan

Started by Euphoric, February 10, 2023, 04:28:02 PM

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Euphoric

A widespread misinterpretation even by Quran followers is assuming the Quranic verses 2:183-184 are related to 2:185 Shahro Ramadhaan.

2:183 was speaking to a the amanoo (past tense)...is continued to 2:184.

2:184 "...a prescribed number of days. So, whoever of you is sick or is on a journey, then a number of other days; and against the ones who can afford it, there should be a ransom of food for a poor person; whoever volunteers good, then it is good on his part; and to fast is good for you, if you know."

This verse ends here. Then the verse of Ramadhaan comes in a different tone.

2:185 does not obligate fasting for everyone. It states a condition "faman shahida minkomo shahra..."...so whoever of you witnesses among you the shahr..."

But whoever is sick or traveling, the ransom is NOT of food for a poor person.  Instead it is just said "...number of other days..."

The Ramadhaan verse is not severe as 2:184.

jkhan

Quote from: Euphoric on February 10, 2023, 04:28:02 PM
A widespread misinterpretation even by Quran followers is assuming the Quranic verses 2:183-184 are related to 2:185 Shahro Ramadhaan.

2:183 was speaking to a the amanoo (past tense)...is continued to 2:184.

2:184 "...a prescribed number of days. So, whoever of you is sick or is on a journey, then a number of other days; and against the ones who can afford it, there should be a ransom of food for a poor person; whoever volunteers good, then it is good on his part; and to fast is good for you, if you know."

This verse ends here. Then the verse of Ramadhaan comes in a different tone.

2:185 does not obligate fasting for everyone. It states a condition "faman shahida minkomo shahra..."...so whoever of you witnesses among you the shahr..."

But whoever is sick or traveling, the ransom is NOT of food for a poor person.  Instead it is just said "...number of other days..."

The Ramadhaan verse is not severe as 2:184.

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Euphoric

Quote from: jkhan on February 10, 2023, 07:25:56 PM
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Timely topic...  Would you pls elaborte further pls...  I am not getting the cream and the essence what you say... If you don't mind.. Others perhaps getting but I am stuck.. Pls

2:183 Amanoo is always in the past tense and not addressing new Muslims or Muminun of that time.

People wrongfully assume the Amanoo ayat are for a general audience. But they were not. They were for a specific group of people who believed prior to Muhammad's coming.  See 4:136, why were they being told to believe in Allah and the Messenger etc

Also, as mentioned in 2:183 purpose of fasting was to attain MUTTAQUN, so if you were already from the MUTTAQUN you were not fasting.

2:184 is talking about a different fast other than Ramadhaan. See the ransoms for punishments and Hajj.

2:185 is conditional, and it's not a fast that everyone should begin doing.

All of these verses are contextual.

Euphoric

Bumping up the topic as people are continuing to spread misinformation about the Quran.

Euphoric

Quote from: Euphoric on February 10, 2023, 04:28:02 PM2:184 "...a prescribed number of days. So, whoever of you is sick or is on a journey, then a number of other days; and against the ones who can afford it, there should be a ransom of food for a poor person; whoever volunteers good, then it is good on his part; and to fast is good for you, if you know."

2:184 has variants and the message changes based on which one is read:

Hisham reading: "...a compensation - food for destitute people."

Nafi, Abu Jafar and ibn Zekwan reading: "...a compensation of for destitute persons." - the ransom is 3 or more people and not one person as the other variant reads.