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Started by Shah Khan, October 20, 2022, 11:59:32 PM

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good logic

When is the penny going to drop?

GOD s religion cannot have another authority or source except GOD s authority and GOD Alone as a source of guidance.
GOD is ever living , GOD is the all knowledgeable ,the sole authority for His deen/religion. He sends scripture complete with His laws/words/instructions/commands/religious information. to us.
How can religious books for GOD s religion be from humans? In that case the authority is a human not GOD Alone!!

Men who interpret GOD s scripture cannot change a single law /instruction or command, men s religious books can only try their best to give their views on what GOD has revealed.
Does it make sense to replace GOD s original words/scripture by men s religious books?
So in essence the only acceptable source to GOD s religion are GOD s words and authority. So what is wrong with our reasoning in this case to accept another source and authority? Is this not taking on another god and a false religion?
End of argument if one wants to be a Muslim to GOD Alone when one has GOD s scripture in GOD s own words and believes so.
GOD bless you all.
Peace.
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Fusion

Thank GL you for sharing your perspective on the authority and source of religious guidance. It seems like you believe that God's religion should solely rely on God's words and authority, and that human interpretation or religious books cannot replace or override the original scripture.

While it is true that God is the ultimate authority and possesses complete knowledge, it's important to consider that throughout history, God has chosen to send prophets as messengers to guide and teach humanity. These prophets are seen as intermediaries between God and humans, entrusted with the responsibility to convey God's message and teachings in a way that people can understand and apply in their lives.

The role of the prophet is not to introduce a new religion or change God's laws and instructions, but rather to provide guidance, clarification, and contextualization of the divine revelations for the benefit of humanity. The prophets act as teachers and exemplars, demonstrating how to live in accordance with God's will.

The religious books  such as the Quran, the Bible, or the Torah, are believed by many to be the inspired words of God, transmitted through these prophets. While they are written down by humans, the belief is that they faithfully record the revelations received from God, and their purpose is to serve as a guide for believers.

It's important to note that interpretations of religious texts can vary among individuals and communities, leading to different understandings and practices. However, scholars and religious authorities often strive to base their interpretations on sound principles of exegesis, historical context, and linguistic analysis, seeking to convey the essence of God's message accurately.

If we consider the premise that God possesses omniscience and holds exclusive authority over His religion, it raises the question of whether the presence of prophets as educators is necessary. Perhaps an alternative approach could involve God transmitting the complete religious scripture to humanity in a singular act, perhaps by placing it atop a mountain for individuals to independently read and comprehend. Nevertheless, it is crucial to acknowledge that the Quran, for instance, was revealed gradually over a significant period. The verses within the Quran often possess contextual significance, stemming from the actions, prayers, and historical events that transpired during the lifetime of the Prophet and his companions. Had God chosen to instantaneously unveil the entirety of the religious text, the Prophet would have merely presented the comprehensive book, allowing individuals to follow its guidance without any further guidance or instruction.

Furthermore, If God's message in the Quran did not require any human interpretation or further explanation by an authority of people,  it would pose challenges in implementing various verses that address legal matters such as inheritance, divorce, and punishments. In such a scenario, every individual would be allowed to read and interpret these verses according to their own understanding, leading to diverse and potentially conflicting interpretations. Consequently, there would be no need for a collective authority to ensure the consistent application of these laws outlined in the Quran.

While many Quranic verses allow individuals to engage in critical thinking and personal application of the teachings in their lives, it is important to recognize that there are numerous other verses that address societal aspects as a whole. These verses require a deeper understanding by knowledgeable individuals who can provide guidance and advice, and in certain cases, enforce regulations to protect vulnerable segments of society, such as orphans and others in similar circumstances.

Therefore, the presence of interpretive processes and collective authorities helps navigate the complexities and ensure the proper implementation of God's instructions in the Quran. It enables a balanced approach where individuals are encouraged to use their intellect and personal understanding, while also benefiting from the expertise and guidance of knowledgeable scholars and community leaders in comprehending and applying these teachings for the betterment of society.

In conclusion, while God is the ultimate source of guidance, prophets play a crucial role in delivering and explaining God's message to humanity. The religious books that we have today are seen as valuable tools for understanding and implementing God's teachings, with the understanding that human interpretation is necessary but should remain faithful to the original divine message.
Best Regards,

good logic

Brother Fusion.

The last prophet existed nearly 1500 years ago, I do not see any prophet walking among the generations after him teaching GOD s revelations and giving them the example of how to lead their lives. However they have GOD s message intact and GOD is forever existing among every generation.Is GOD not enough as a teacher and guide to His servants?

Listen to yourself and analyse what you are saying. Or have you evidence/ video/ recording of the last prophet giving you explanations and guidance of GOD s religion? Where is GOD then? Do you believe GOD when He says that He is the teacher and explainer of His deen/religion?

Please ponder and study GOD s message properly . You are not making sense or do you think GOD is not present with us? For sure the prophet is not with us now but GOD is ever living and always present . Seek him with a sincere heart and see what happens brother.
Or rely on hearsay and fabrications made up about the prophet that cannot be evidenced nor checked accurately up to now.
Does GOD message not ask us to check and analyse GOD s words, /ask GOD about all our doubts as he is always present and ready to answer us and believe GOD.
GOD will answer you if you respond to the request with a clean heart. Try it.
I do not know what else to say to you anymore if you keep insisting on your WAY putting partners with GOD for His religion.
This is my last request to you brother to listen to GOD s message and ponder what GOD is saying.
Or act like GOD does not exist and has no role  but the prophet that does not exist now has a role for us!
GOD bless you.
Peace.
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Fusion

Brother GL Salam,
Indeed, the last prophet lived almost 1500 years ago, and we do not have the privilege of witnessing his teachings firsthand. However, it is important to note that prophets were sent by God throughout history to guide humanity and provide them with divine revelations. These revelations, preserved in holy scriptures, serve as a timeless source of guidance for believers.

While it is true that God is the ultimate teacher and guide, and His words are the ultimate source of wisdom, He has chosen to communicate with us through prophets. They were chosen as messengers to convey His message, demonstrate the application of His teachings in their lives, and provide practical examples for us to follow. The role of prophets was not to replace God but to serve as a bridge between Him and humanity.

As believers, we are encouraged to study and analyze God's message in the scriptures. Seeking knowledge, asking God for guidance, and pondering over His words are indeed essential aspects of faith. However, it is also important to recognize that prophets played a pivotal role in elucidating and demonstrating the practical application of God's teachings.

While we may not have video recordings or direct explanations from the last prophet, we have the preserved accounts of his life, teachings, and actions in authentic historical sources. These sources, when studied with an open and sincere heart, can provide valuable insights into the implementation of God's religion.

I respect your perspective and the emphasis you place on seeking God directly. It is indeed crucial to maintain a sincere connection with Him. However, it is also essential to recognize and appreciate the role of prophets as appointed messengers in guiding us towards understanding and implementing God's teachings.

May God bless you on your journey of seeking knowledge and understanding.

Peace be upon you,
Best Regards,

good logic

Brother, if you insist  you can follow hear say and contradictory sayings that the prophet has never said or allowed ANYONE to say about him.,but GOD has the final word for all those who highjacked His words and replaced them by "HUMAN FABRICATIONS":

GOD is talking to the messenger, you, me and every individual who ponders GOD s words with sincerity:

And proclaim: "I am the manifest warner."
وَقُل إِنّى أَنَا النَّذيرُ المُبينُ
We will deal with the dividers.
كَما أَنزَلنا عَلَى المُقتَسِمينَ
They accept the Quran only partially.
الَّذينَ جَعَلُوا القُرءانَ عِضينَ
By your Lord, we will question them all,
فَوَرَبِّكَ لَنَسـَٔلَنَّهُم أَجمَعينَ
about everything they have done.
عَمّا كانوا يَعمَلونَ
Therefore, carry out the orders given to you, and disregard the idol worshipers.
فَاصدَع بِما تُؤمَرُ وَأَعرِض عَنِ المُشرِكينَ
We will spare you the mockers,
إِنّا كَفَينٰكَ المُستَهزِءينَ
who set up another god beside God. They will surely find out.
الَّذينَ يَجعَلونَ مَعَ اللَّهِ إِلٰهًا ءاخَرَ فَسَوفَ يَعلَمونَ
We know full well that you may be annoyed by their utterances.- And the lies they invent about the prophets /messengers and the idolisations of humans-
وَلَقَد نَعلَمُ أَنَّكَ يَضيقُ صَدرُكَ بِما يَقولونَ
You shall praise your Lord, and be with the "prostrators"/loyalists to GOD Alone".
فَسَبِّح بِحَمدِ رَبِّكَ وَكُن مِنَ السّٰجِدينَ
And serve/follow your Lord, in order to attain certainty.*
وَاعبُد رَبَّكَ حَتّىٰ يَأتِيَكَ اليَقينُ

So keep insisting  on serving following the prophet of Hadiths invented by his enemies - Ignore the prophet who obeyed GOD and followed Qoran alone, and have your say, your choice... The warning from GOD to those who give Him partners in the religion is clear.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

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38:65″ Say:? I warn you; There is no other god beside GOD, the One, the Supreme.?
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jkhan

Quote from: good logic on June 07, 2023, 03:58:30 AM
Brother, if you insist  you can follow hear say and contradictory sayings that the prophet has never said or allowed ANYONE to say about him.,but GOD has the final word for all those who highjacked His words and replaced them by "HUMAN FABRICATIONS":

GOD is talking to the messenger, you, me and every individual who ponders GOD s words with sincerity:

And proclaim: "I am the manifest warner."
وَقُل إِنّى أَنَا النَّذيرُ المُبينُ
We will deal with the dividers.
كَما أَنزَلنا عَلَى المُقتَسِمينَ
They accept the Quran only partially.
الَّذينَ جَعَلُوا القُرءانَ عِضينَ
By your Lord, we will question them all,
فَوَرَبِّكَ لَنَسـَٔلَنَّهُم أَجمَعينَ
about everything they have done.
عَمّا كانوا يَعمَلونَ
Therefore, carry out the orders given to you, and disregard the idol worshipers.
فَاصدَع بِما تُؤمَرُ وَأَعرِض عَنِ المُشرِكينَ
We will spare you the mockers,
إِنّا كَفَينٰكَ المُستَهزِءينَ
who set up another god beside God. They will surely find out.
الَّذينَ يَجعَلونَ مَعَ اللَّهِ إِلٰهًا ءاخَرَ فَسَوفَ يَعلَمونَ
We know full well that you may be annoyed by their utterances.- And the lies they invent about the prophets /messengers and the idolisations of humans-
وَلَقَد نَعلَمُ أَنَّكَ يَضيقُ صَدرُكَ بِما يَقولونَ
You shall praise your Lord, and be with the "prostrators"/loyalists to GOD Alone".
فَسَبِّح بِحَمدِ رَبِّكَ وَكُن مِنَ السّٰجِدينَ
And serve/follow your Lord, in order to attain certainty.*
وَاعبُد رَبَّكَ حَتّىٰ يَأتِيَكَ اليَقينُ

So keep insisting  on serving following the prophet of Hadiths invented by his enemies - Ignore the prophet who obeyed GOD and followed Qoran alone, and have your say, your choice... The warning from GOD to those who give Him partners in the religion is clear.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

Yes.. brother GL. . Keep reminding in general in sha Allah those who deserve will get guided..

@ Fusion...

Even how much you look for guidance while associating Quran with another book you will never get that guidance.. Never can happen that though you think you are guided but it will only be deception..

But taking my word at least for one month leave all other resources and just look Quran only through Quran without assistance with sincere mind for your own sake...  I am sure you will if course reach your Goal... Your carrier for true guidance from God is you don't want to listen to God... It's  like two entities talking to you.. One is God and other is Man... But you listen to both and you are failing to pay due attention to God coz human is also talking to you but you are allowing the human to talk to you while God wants to talk to you all alone.. But you not giving chance to talk to God.. You got my parable.  .you will never.. I repeat you will never, until you only listen to God alone even how difficult in understanding God,  but listen to Him alone.. Coz guidance no one get all of sudden.. Guidance get cultivated gradually... That's why God says Seek guidance.. Seek guidance.. Understsnd it bro.. Why we keep say Ihdinas Siratha musthaqeem, if we are already guided with all guidance due.. You are keep saying ihdina Siratha musthaqeem from God but looking guidance from men. ..no way... You understand my words or but you will never get guidance in this way until you choose pathbkf Allah alone and seek from God alone...

Watch that channel also without fail.. Many people have realized and changed from Sunni Sia to the path of God alone by seeing those glaring Quran alone preaches.. Afterall he is from your country... I am amazed to see this many Quran alone people in Pakistan seeing comments.. Alhamdullah...

All yours... It is not for passing an exam.. But it is a decision whether you like your body be burned in fire or you like Janna a blissful life.. God has given His instructions and choosing and leaving is in your hands. God is not unjust if you deny His call...

So take my challenge and look only for ONE MONTH  try to Quran within Quran leaving all other sources.. If you don't understand.. I won't ask you why.. Just take the challenge and do.. Who knows where it ends up..

Thank you..

Note.. Watch below video also.. As per my friend it was his turning point in looking at Quran alone... I don't know what special in it. But all I know is it is about haj...

https://youtu.be/SGEH3pdyNuY

Just watch and let us know also what that is...  That could change a person completly... 
Let us die with guidance

Fusion

Dear Brothers,

Thank you for sharing your perspective and concerns regarding the reliance on hadith and advocating for following the Quran alone. I appreciate your passion and sincerity in seeking the truth. I would like to respond to your points academically and engage in a constructive dialogue.

Firstly, it is important to acknowledge that there are different interpretations and approaches within the Muslim community regarding the role of hadith in understanding and implementing the teachings of Islam. While some Muslims consider hadith an essential source of guidance alongside the Quran, others emphasize the primacy of the Quran alone. This diversity of thought has existed throughout history and continues to exist today.

It is crucial to approach this discussion with an open mind, respect for differing opinions, and a commitment to seeking knowledge and understanding. Academically, we can explore various perspectives and critically analyze the arguments presented.

One point you mentioned is the concern about fabricated hadiths and human innovations that may have been attributed to the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). It is true that scholars of hadith have extensively studied and classified the authenticity of narrations, recognizing that some hadiths are weak or fabricated. However, it is also worth noting that the hadith corpus includes a vast collection of narrations that have been carefully scrutinized to determine their reliability.

Regarding your suggestion to solely rely on the Quran and abandon all other resources for a month, I understand that you see it as a means to seek true guidance from God. However, it is important to recognize that Islamic knowledge is not solely derived from the Quran alone. The Quran itself instructs believers to seek guidance and knowledge from scholars, as well as from the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) who was entrusted with explaining and implementing its teachings.

Islamic scholarship has developed over centuries, with scholars analyzing and interpreting the Quran, hadith, and other relevant sources to provide guidance to the Muslim community. Their insights and understanding can provide valuable context and clarification, aiding in a comprehensive understanding of Islam.

In your message, you also mentioned a video about Hajj that supposedly influenced your friend's perspective. I will watch the video with an open mind and consider its content. However, it is important to note that individual experiences or personal testimonies, while valuable, should not be the sole basis for forming a comprehensive understanding of Islam.

Ultimately, our pursuit of knowledge and understanding should be guided by sincerity, critical thinking, and a balanced approach that considers various sources of Islamic guidance. It is through respectful dialogue, academic engagement, and a commitment to seeking truth that we can deepen our understanding of Islam and its teachings.


Allow me to clarify my position. While I do not consider myself a follower of hadith exclusively, I do believe in the importance of considering multiple sources of knowledge and research when seeking a comprehensive understanding of Islam.

The Quran itself encourages believers to reflect, ponder, and seek knowledge. It emphasizes the importance of critical thinking and understanding. Therefore, I believe it is essential to explore various sources, including hadith literature, scholarly works, and the perspectives of different scholars and thinkers.

I acknowledge that there are different opinions within the Muslim community regarding the authority and authenticity of hadith literature. Some scholars and individuals prioritize hadith as a source of guidance, while others focus primarily on the Quran. Personally, I find value in examining multiple sources and engaging with different perspectives to gain a broader understanding.

While the Quran holds the highest authority for Muslims, it is important to remember that the interpretation and application of its teachings require knowledge, context, and scholarly insights. Scholars throughout history have played a crucial role in explaining and providing guidance based on their expertise in studying the Quran, hadith, and other relevant sources.

In this pursuit of knowledge, I remain open to exploring different perspectives, including the works of scholars and thinkers, such as even Rashad Khalifa. However, it is crucial to approach these sources critically, evaluate their arguments, and seek guidance from reliable scholars to ensure accuracy and authenticity.

In conclusion, I firmly believe in the ultimate authority of the Quran and recognize the importance of exploring various sources of knowledge, including hadith literature and scholarly works. By maintaining an open mind and engaging in research and critical analysis, we can strive to develop a well-rounded understanding of Islam and its teachings.

Thank you for sharing your thoughts, and I look forward to continuing this discussion with you.
Best Regards,

good logic

Peace Fusion.
You seem intelligent enough to want a valuable and beneficial discussion, yet I am surprised at your stand.
Listen to GOD s words:
[4:56] Surely, those who disbelieve in our revelations, we will condemn them to the hellfire. Whenever their skins are burnt, we will give them new skins. Thus, they will suffer continuously. GOD is Almighty, Most Wise.

The intelligence given to us should be used to make it to GOD s kingdom,, because the retribution of hell is severe beyond our imagination. If we misuse this God-given intelligence and do not follow the book of God then the result will be disaster.

Let us appreciate the immense mercy of God upon us that He has sent us His scripture-Qoran-, guided us in the right path and given us the wisdom to use our  intelligence in a proper way and analyse /ponder GODs words.

[18:58] Yet, your Lord is the Forgiver, full of mercy. If He called them to account for their deeds, He would annihilate them right there and then. Instead, He gives them a respite until a specific, predetermined time; then they can never escape.

We must not misuse our intelligence by ignoring GOD  our creator and His revelations/words.

Let us not deviate from the straight path of righteousness and always thank God and appreciate His great blessings for us, His Qoran /GOD s words..

Brother ,use your intelligence and follow the Word of GOD Alone:

[39:18] They are the ones who examine all words, then follow the best. These are the ones whom GOD has guided; these are the ones who possess intelligence.
Because GOD s words are simply the best.
GOD bless you.
Peace.
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