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Everyone has recognized Allah Almighty in the world of spirits, and knows about his right and wrong? Part one


This is verily interesting, but is reality that every man has recognized Allah Almighty when he was in the world of spirits before coming in this world and knows well about the right and wrong actions as per the teachings of Islam?
The Holy Qur'an makes mention,”

And (remember) when thy Lord brought forth from the Children of Adam, from their reins, their seed, and made them testify of themselves, (saying): Am I not your Lord? They said: Yea, verily. We testify. (That was) lest ye should say at the Day of Resurrection: Lo! of this we were unaware; Or lest ye should say: (It is) only (that) our fathers ascribed partners to Allah of old and we were (their) seed after them. Wilt Thou destroy us on account of that which those who follow falsehood did?” ﴾(Al-A'raf: 173﴿

The Commentators explanation that,” God gathered all human beings, and divided them into different groups, granted them human form and the faculty of speech, made them enter into a covenant, and then making them witnesses against themselves He asked them: ‘Am I not your Lord?’ They replied: ‘Assuredly you are Our Lord.’

Then God told them: ‘I call upon the sky and the earth and your own progenitor, Adam, to be witness against you lest you should say on the Day of Judgement that you were ignorant of this. Know well that no one other than Me deserves to he worshipped and no one other than Me is your Lord. So do not ascribe any partner to Me. I shall send to you My Messengers who will remind you of this covenant which you made with Me.

 I shall send down to you My Books.’ In reply all said: ‘We witness that You are Our Lord and our Deity. We have no lord or deity other than You.’ (Musnad Ahmad b. Hanbal)
Now, this is crystal clear that man has observed Allah Almighty in the world of sprits and has testified about Him as being The Lord and The Master of the universe, and since then up to his birth, he does not forget that covenant as a hadith reveals about it,

“Abu Huraira, narrated that the Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Every child is born with a true faith (i.e. to worship none but Allah Alone) but his parents convert him to Judaism or to Christianity or to Magainism, as an animal delivers a perfect baby animal. Do you find it mutilated?" Then Abu Huraira recited the holy verses: 'The pure Allah's Islamic nature (true faith i.e. to worship none but Allah Alone), with which He has created human beings.' " (30.30).

Now the question is: when man become a young one, whether that covenant is fresh in his mind till now? The answer is yes, because as we see that every man has a spirit of worship and he is excited for that he should bow down before any supernatural power. Therefore, every man adopts a religion to satisfy this passion.

                                               Part--2

 Notable that whenever the ruins of an ancient civilization are discovered in any part of the world, there exists a boundary of a place of worship necessarily.
 
But the religion of Islam guides a man to the right way of worship i.e. to worship of Allah Almighty, a real Supernatural Power and The Creator of the universe.
Now the question is: how can man knows about the right and wrong actions by himself? So, the holy Qur’an makes mention,” And a soul and Him Who perfected it, And inspired it (with conscience of) what is wrong for it and (what is) right for it” (Surah Shams: 8).

 Also mentions, “And showed him the two ways (of good and evil)” (Surah Balad, Verses: 10).
According to the commentators, in the conscience of man there is a light or a criterion of guidance that has been granted to him to examines the facts he faces and it does not take long for him to know about them as to right and wrong or the truth and falsehood?

For example, if someone is asked about stealing, committing adultery, to kill or to hurt someone, injustice, or to be disobedience to the parents that, what type of these actions? He will immediately reply without any hesitation that, all these actions are wrong, immoral and should not be done.

 And on the other hand, if he is asked about the moral status of to worship, to help others, to get rid of a debtor's neck from debt, to obey the parents and to share in someone's pain and trouble state of affairs? So he will immediately answer that all these actions are good and should be done!

He will never say in reply that, “I don’t know what type of these actions, First I shall read my religious book or I shall ask to my religious leader, priest or a Guru, then I shall answer! Reason is that, this Devine light guides to him every time.
So, everyone should be careful about his covenant and should be ready to obey the commandments of Allah, in order to be successful one!

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So you mean each individual is accountable to GOD Alone about the deen?

Define"The religion of Islam"? Does this religion require human input and human books? Is this not the religion of GOD that has always existed for mankind and is "Islam to GOD Alone"? Have all past prophets/messengers delivered GOD s Islam to their people ?

Did GOD not provide His own words/books/instructions/message for each prophet?

So GOD has sent a reminder if people do not recognise Him and His message.

What GOD does not approve of is people changing this Islam to other authority/ies beside GOD.
What GOD does not approve of is some men s religions putting partners with Him,using their own books/hadiths/tales and associating other authorities for HIs Religion.
What GOD does not approve of is religions abrogating His words and changing to men s words /false religions.

For example the so called Islam religion of the Traditional Muslims Follow Sunna and hadiths of men. Men s words put above GOD s words. They know that GOD s book is Qoran and use it as a bait to catch followers,but feed them- their followers- the books of sunna and Bukhari and other Imams/scholars and invent a false religion with false laws contradicting GOD s words and setting up partners in the religion with GOD. They love and follow above GOD and His words.

Sorry brother, when we speak about Islam, we need to clarify which Islam we mean. Otherwise the false Islam will be assumed automatically.
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« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2022, 02:55:54 PM »
No, this verse is not talking about the spirit world, but about the promise we made in the womb before birth.

Let us remind you again, there is no spirit world.

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Everyone has recognized Allah Almighty in the world of spirits, and knows about his right and wrong? Part one



By Mohammad Rafique Etesame

This is verily interesting, but is reality that every man has recognized Allah Almighty when he was in the world of spirits before coming in this world and knows well about the right and wrong actions as per the teachings of Islam?
The Holy Qur'an makes mention,”

And (remember) when thy Lord brought forth from the Children of Adam, from their reins, their seed, and made them testify of themselves, (saying): Am I not your Lord? They said: Yea, verily. We testify. (That was) lest ye should say at the Day of Resurrection: Lo! of this we were unaware; Or lest ye should say: (It is) only (that) our fathers ascribed partners to Allah of old and we were (their) seed after them. Wilt Thou destroy us on account of that which those who follow falsehood did?” ﴾(Al-A'raf: 173﴿

The Commentators explanation that,” God gathered all human beings, and divided them into different groups, granted them human form and the faculty of speech, made them enter into a covenant, and then making them witnesses against themselves He asked them: ‘Am I not your Lord?

 They replied: ‘Assuredly you are Our Lord.’ Then God told them: ‘I call upon the sky and the earth and your own progenitor, Adam, to be witness against you lest you should say on the Day of Judgement that you were ignorant of this. Know well that no one other than Me deserves to he worshipped and no one other than Me is your Lord. So do not ascribe any partner to Me. I shall send to you My Messengers who will remind you of this covenant which you made with Me. I shall send down to you My Books.’ In reply all said: ‘We witness that You are Our Lord and our Deity. We have no lord or deity other than You.’ (Musnad Ahmad b. Hanbal)

Now, this is crystal clear that man has observed Allah Almighty in the world of sprits and has testified about Him as being The Lord and The Master of the universe, and since then up to his birth, he does not forget that covenant as a hadith reveals about it,

“Abu Huraira, narrated that the Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Every child is born with a true faith (i.e. to worship none but Allah Alone) but his parents convert him to Judaism or to Christianity or to Magainism, as an animal delivers a perfect baby animal. Do you find it mutilated?" Then Abu Huraira recited the holy verses: 'The pure Allah's Islamic nature (true faith i.e. to worship none but Allah Alone), with which He has created human beings.' " (30.30).

Now the question is: when man become a young one, whether that covenant is fresh in his mind till now? The answer is yes (first is that), because we see that every man has a spirit of worship and he is excited for that he should bow down before any supernatural power. Therefore, every man adopts a religion to satisfy this passion.
Second is: When a harm or a misfortune touches a man, then he cries unto Allah sincerely and he believes that there is no deity or
anyone else, can save him from this calamity except Allah!

                     Part Two

As the holy Qur’an reveals,” And if misfortune touches a man he cries unto Us, (while reclining) on his side, or sitting or standing, but when We have relieved him of the misfortune he goes his way as though he had not cried unto Us because of a misfortune that afflicted him”. (Surah Yunus (Jonah ): 12)

Also,” And when harm touches men they cry unto their Lord, turning to Him in repentance; then, when they have tasted of His mercy, behold! some of them attribute partners to their Lord﴾ Ar-Rum: 33﴿
 This is the clear proof that Allah Exists in the depth of every man’s heart although he does not want to display this fact.
                           
 Notable, when the ruins of any ancient civilization are discovered in any part of the world, there exists a boundary of a place of worship necessarily.
But the religion of Islam guides a man to the right way of worship i.e. to worship of Allah Almighty, a real Supernatural Power and The Creator of the universe.

Now the question is: how can man knows about the right and wrong actions by himself? So, the holy Qur’an makes mention,” And a soul and Him Who perfected it, And inspired it (with conscience of) what is wrong for it and (what is) right for it” (Surah Shams: 8).
 Also mentions, “And showed him the two ways (of good and evil)” (Surah Balad, Verses: 10).

According to the commentators, in the conscience of man there is a light or a criterion of guidance that has been granted to him to examines the facts that he faces and it does not take long for him to know about them as to right and wrong or the truth and falsehood?
And not only man has granted a light and criterion, but also he has given the authority along with it to act upon right or wrong actions.

For example, if someone is asked about stealing, committing adultery, to kill or to hurt someone, injustice, or to be disobedience to the parents that, what type of these actions? He will immediately reply without any hesitation that, all these actions are wrong, immoral and should not be done.

 And on the other hand, if he is asked about the moral status of to worship, to help others, to get rid of a debtor's neck from debt, to obey the parents and to share in someone's pain and trouble state of affairs? So he will immediately answer that all these actions are good and should be done!
https://youtu.be/E7nBcWHmXUI
He will never say in reply that, “I don’t know what type of these actions, First I shall read my religious book or I shall ask to my religious leader, priest or a Guru, then I shall answer! Reason is that, this Devine light guides to him every time.
So, everyone should be careful about this covenant, because he will be accountable for it at the Day of Resurrection. Therefore, he should be ready to obey all the commandments of Allah, in order to be the successful one!


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Peace!

Respected Brother!

Your are denying a clear verse of the holy Qur'an, regarding taking a covenant from human beings in the world of spirits, and you are claiming that this covenant
 
 was taking in the womb of mother instead. Have  you any argument from the holy Qur'an or hadith about your claim?

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On the contrary, I am the one who believes in the this verse. If there is anyone who does not believe, it is you, dear brother.

You are still frantically passing on the religion of hadith. We are talking about Islam here.

As you can see, the verse does not mention the realm of spirits/ghouls. It is very clearly talking about the promise we made in the womb.

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وَإِذْ أَخَذَ رَبُّكَ مِنۢ بَنِىٓ ءَادَمَ مِن ظُهُورِهِمْ ذُرِّيَّتَهُمْ وَأَشْهَدَهُمْ عَلَىٰٓ أَنفُسِهِمْ أَلَسْتُ بِرَبِّكُمْ ۖ قَالُوا۟ بَلَىٰ ۛ شَهِدْنَآ ۛ أَن تَقُولُوا۟ يَوْمَ ٱلْقِيَـٰمَةِ إِنَّا كُنَّا عَنْ هَـٰذَا غَـٰفِلِينَ
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And (remember) when thy Lord brought forth from the Children of Adam, from their reins, their seed, and made them testify of themselves, (saying): Am I not your Lord?

Please translate these verses and tell me where it is mentioned  about the womb of mothers?
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7:172 When your Lord took from the children of Adam from their backs, their progeny; and He made them witness over themselves: "Am I not your Lord?" They said, "Yes, we bear witness." Thus you cannot say on the day of Resurrection that you were unaware of this.

Edip Yuksel's note:

"The past tense denotes the creation of human prototype. We translated the verse by taking its whole meaning. The dialog here is not necessarily verbal; it is by the nature. We, the humans, are all born with innate ability to infer God's existence and power. In other words, by the very possession of DNA we are born with a divine contract not to corrupt our person, discover our creator and devote ourselves to Him alone. Compare this to verse 41:11."

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7:172 When your Lord took from the children of Adam from their backs, their progeny; and He made them witness over themselves: "Am I not your Lord?" They said, "Yes, we bear witness." Thus you cannot say on the day of Resurrection that you were unaware of this.

Edip Yuksel's note:

"The past tense denotes the creation of human prototype. We translated the verse by taking its whole meaning. The dialog here is not necessarily verbal; it is by the nature. We, the humans, are all born with innate ability to infer God's existence and power. In other words, by the very possession of DNA we are born with a divine contract not to corrupt our person, discover our creator and devote ourselves to Him alone. Compare this to verse 41:11."

The verse clearly talks about the promise we make at birth.

And;

You should devote yourself to religion as a monotheist (hanif). Indeed, ALLAH has created human beings with such a creation. There is no change in Allah's creation. This is a perfect religion, but most people do not know (Surah Rum 30)

Thanks to this basic revelation, we innately know the existence and uniqueness of God, that it is good to treat people well, and so on. Unless we have turned our backs on this program of our creation.

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7:172 When your Lord took from the children of Adam from their backs, their progeny; and He made them witness over themselves: "Am I not your Lord?" They said, "Yes, we bear witness." Thus you cannot say on the day of Resurrection that you were unaware of this.

Edip Yuksel's note:

"The past tense denotes the creation of human prototype. We translated the verse by taking its whole meaning. The dialog here is not necessarily verbal; it is by the nature. We, the humans, are all born with innate ability to infer God's existence and power. In other words, by the very possession of DNA we are born with a divine contract not to corrupt our person, discover our creator and devote ourselves to Him alone. Compare this to verse 41:11."

I agree.

Many verses explain a timeless reality to us, we cannot or should not get hung up on relationships and conversations in the Quran but endeavor to understand the underlying message and the wisdom of what Allah is conveying to us.

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