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Here is a list of contradictions that one comes across in human s religions:
1-GOD is the all powerful. Religions think/interpret /instruct their followers that GOD needs followers of such religions to fight for him and enforce the religion on others even if they are peaceful people. Their enemies/ from  different 0ther religions- are also enemies of GOD even if they are claiming to believe in GOD and are peaceful people.

GOD does not contradict Himself by giving us the freedom of choice and then asks others to force a religion on us.

2- GOD Alone is the judge  and has not given authority to anyone to judge and punish anyone if they do not choose GOD s guidance. Religions judge and sanction their followers for not adhering to the rules of their religions

3-GOD has given all the children of Adam dignity and rights.they should not transgress or oppress others unjustly. Religions take the rights of others if they do not belong with them, take the rights of women and children even if they belong with them  and claim GOD has instructed it.

GOD does not tell us that we should compete in who  is the most righteous and we are all equal to start on the straight path ,then asks  religions to take rights away from other humans. GOD does not contradict ,nor do any injustice to anyone. Religions do that and claim it is from GOD..

4- GOD says to all of us do not divide into different religions and sects within each religion. Yet all religions are divided into sects and humans have formed different religions. Surely this is the biggest contradiction in all religions.

I am sure many of you are finding big contradictions in all the religions and the different sects of each religion.

The time has come to ponder and analyse what is the truth . Each need to look closely at their religion and see the irony and go in a deep search of the truth.

We need to start a revolution of cleaning all the false religions and sects to establish the dignity and role of the human being and its peaceful state to live on earth  in an amicable and peaceful existence with all the other humans=our brothers and sisters-.
GOD bless you all.
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Re: The big contradictions in all religions v GOD s one message to all humans.
« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2022, 12:19:58 PM »
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This is quite thought-provoking. It reminds me of the other day when I was having a mini-debate with another Qur'an aloner about gay men. He mentioned that a certain verse mentions you should physically punish gay men for homosexual acts and I responded that all I remember was the verse told us to 'rebuke' them as in 'express sharp disapproval or criticism of (someone) because of their behaviour or actions.' and if they still don't change then that's up to them. As long as they're not hurting anybody they should not be punished or hurt. Freedom of religion. But he kept insisting that the Arabic word means to physically punish them. Then I said we all know Arabic words can have multiple meanings and we should choose the most peaceful. Then he said something like 'this proves we clearly have a different upbringing'. But I think it's less about our upbringing and more about our individual souls. It seems like the way we interpret verses reflects our own personalities, biases and desires unless we try to be as peaceful, objective, impartial and logical as possible.
'These are the verses of Allah which We recite to you in truth. Then in what statement (hadith) after Allah and His verses will they believe? (45:6)'

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Re: The big contradictions in all religions v GOD s one message to all humans.
« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2022, 04:12:20 PM »
Yes sister, according to some religions  GOD contradicts Himself.
For example:
 GOD says that there is no compulsion in His religion. Take it or leave it ,.
GOD also says that whoever wants to believe ,believes and whoever does not want to believe is free to do so/
And GOD says that if He willed ,he could have made everyone a believer, but He  left the choice to us.

So  who/why are we trying to force people to believe like we do in our religions?

GOD has no contradictions in His one and only religion to all humans.

Besides if one thinks they have the right religion, it should benefit them first and foremost and should make them the best in righteousness and conduct. They should set the example by their behaviour , kindness and peacefulness towards all their fellow humans who are minding their own business and are peaceful towards them.
We are not asked to police for GOD or the leaders of religions nor are we the people s guardians of the religion of GOD.
GOD bless you.
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Re: The big contradictions in all religions v GOD s one message to all humans.
« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2022, 07:47:09 PM »
Excuse me, but let me point out few 'contradictions'
GOD has no contradictions in His one and only religion to all humans.

God created everything, by everything it truly means everything.
And that include "all religion" which is only very tiny winy subset out of everything.

Everything that God created in this realm is based on the concept of "Polar opposition".
To some, this polar opposition seem to be 'contradiction'.
The "IS" and the "IS NOT".

Light, Dark
Love, Hate
Angel, Demon
Selfless, Selfish
Humble, Pride
Truth, False
Matter, Anti Matter

As without the "IS NOT" it is impossible to recognize the "IS"
Yet both are created by the same source.

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Besides if one thinks they have the right religion, it should benefit them first and foremost and should make them the best in righteousness and conduct. They should set the example by their behaviour , kindness and peacefulness towards all their fellow humans who are minding their own business and are peaceful towards them.

Agree, ask what the religion has done to you and not what you have done for the religion.
Does the religion makes you more angelic? or more demonic?
More loving? or more hateful?
More forgiving? or more vengeance?
More humble? or more proud?
More selfless? or more egocentric?


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We are not asked to police for GOD or the leaders of religions nor are we the people s guardians of the religion of GOD.

Some religions, the major one (Judaism, Christianity, Islam) are created to "control and police the people" to begin with.

Again the concept of 'polar opposition'.
There are 'those' who think that the 'world will be better' if we control everything.
And there are those who think that the 'world will be better' if nobody control anyone.


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Re: The big contradictions in all religions v GOD s one message to all humans.
« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2022, 11:41:58 PM »
Excuse me, but let me point out few 'contradictions'
God created everything
, by everything it truly means everything.
And that include "all religion" which is only very tiny winy subset out of everything.

Everything that God created in this realm is based on the concept of "Polar opposition".
To some, this polar opposition seem to be 'contradiction'.
The "IS" and the "IS NOT".

Light, Dark
Love, Hate
Angel, Demon
Selfless, Selfish
Humble, Pride
Truth, False
Matter, Anti Matter

As without the "IS NOT" it is impossible to recognize the "IS"
Yet both are created by the same source.

Agree, ask what the religion has done to you and not what you have done for the religion.
Does the religion makes you more angelic? or more demonic?
More loving? or more hateful?
More forgiving? or more vengeance?
More humble? or more proud?
More selfless? or more egocentric?


Some religions, the major one (Judaism, Christianity, Islam) are created to "control and police the people" to begin with.

Again the concept of 'polar opposition'.
There are 'those' who think that the 'world will be better' if we control everything.
And there are those who think that the 'world will be better' if nobody control anyone.

Peace bro..
Again misconception....
where it is written that God created everything.. what does it include to be called everything?

God never created evil... prove it if you claim so..
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« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2022, 12:21:12 AM »
Brother Jafar.
So GOD created everything.
 However GOD created humans to make their own decisions and choose their own path in their lives. i.e Humans create their destiny, like what you say here,quote:

"Some religions, the major one (Judaism, Christianity, Islam) are created to "control and police the people" to begin with".

Or this is a contradiction ,[f you are saying GOD created Judaism, Christianity and Traditional Islam?
In this case  it means GOD wants to control and police the people. Is GOD forcing anyone to make decisions in their lives?
 GOD does not create things to force the humans to choose a path or to mislead them , Humans do that.

Or GOD contradicts Himself.
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« Reply #6 on: September 13, 2022, 01:17:04 AM »
God never created evil... prove it if you claim so..

Where evil = egocentricity, separation, hatred, fear, control freak

The prove is in the pudding, it exist..
Yet the opposite also exist as this universe is created with "polar opposition" concept.
When there's demon there's also angel.

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Or this is a contradiction ,[f you are saying GOD created Judaism, Christianity and Traditional Islam?
In this case  it means GOD wants to control and police the people. Is GOD forcing anyone to make decisions in their lives?
 GOD does not create things to force the humans to choose a path or to mislead them , Humans do that.

Yes that's the implication of realization of
1. God created every-thing
2. There's only one god.

Before finally came into the realization of:
"Only God that truly exist"
Yogis state it as "Brahman satyam jagat mithya", only brahman exist, the universe is an illusion.
Sufi state it as "Wahdat Al-Wujd", literally, single in existence.

From the perspective of the creator, all is known, everywhere is here and anytime is now.
And definitely, everyone is me.

I've described this on other thread using a metaphor for easy digesting.
The metaphor of a novel, let's take Lord Of The Rings by JRR Tolkien.

The evil, Sauron, Saruman, The Orcs are created by Tolkien.
The good, Frodo, Pippen, Gandalf are created by Tolkien.
Infact everyone and everything there are Tolkien.

Without the 'evil' the 'good' cannot be recognized.
Thanks to 'evil' the 'good' can be recognized.

Thanks to "Religion", "Not Religion" (it's opposite) can be recognized.
Everything exist in opposite polarity.
"And of everything We have created in pairs.."

Tolkien is not inside Lord Of The Rings, it's the other way around, all elements of "Lord Of The Rings" is inside Tolkien. Mount Doom is inside Tolkien, Mordor is inside Tolkien, Shire is inside Tolkien.

God is not fighting  "Satan", "Lucifer" whatever name one can came up with that symbolize 'evil'.
In the same manner as Tolkien is not fighting Sauron, Saruman and the Orcs.
Because nobody can fight God in the same manner as no character in Lord Of The Rings can fight Tolkien, it's own creator.


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« Reply #7 on: September 14, 2022, 10:08:00 AM »
You are not making sense brother Jafar.
If there is no accountability and responsibility ,then, you can dream along, believe anything you want and do anything you want.
You are free to do so.
However moral laws and a system exist from the creator and judge of His system. This system  has only two paths and leads to two outcomes.
1- Follow GODs system and accept/follow/abide by His laws. Success and a new happy experience/life will follow after here.
2- Do not accept/follow other systems/your own way/rebel against the laws of the creator. Failure and a new miserable experience-Worse than this one we are experiencing- will follow after here.

Or do you think our experience here is a joke to do what one likes, follow what one likes make up our own systems and concoctions and no one will be accountable for any crime against GOD/ The creator and His laws?
We can all dream on...But it will be a nightmare!

Or what is the right system for us brother?
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« Reply #8 on: September 22, 2022, 03:47:33 AM »
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believe anything you want and do anything you want.
You are free to do so.

Yes 'freedom of believing' or 'freedom of opinion/attitude' is a 'universal right' for every 'individuated unit of consciousness', with certain limitation of course, bounded by universal law in this universe.

By 'universal law' I truly mean 'universal law', the law that exist even before human exist and continue to exist even after human species has become extinct. (and also the sun, the earth planet become extinct)

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However moral laws and a system exist from the creator and judge of His system. This system  has only two paths and leads to two outcomes.
1- Follow GODs system and accept/follow/abide by His laws. Success and a new happy experience/life will follow after here.
2- Do not accept/follow other systems/your own way/rebel against the laws of the creator. Failure and a new miserable experience-Worse than this one we are experiencing- will follow after here.

Let's dissect this one by one.
1. Universal laws a.k.a "Creator's laws" is universally and automatically binding.
Nobody, including non-human entities can break it. No angels / demons / deities / alien can break it.
So there's no option of "not following" or "not accepting".

2. Thus it implies "rebellion" from universal laws is an impossibility. No entities can break it, not even Devil/Satan/Lucifer or whomever. The notion of "entity" rebelling to "One Infinite Creator's law" is quite ridiculous, using LOTR metaphor above, it's similar to Sauron rebelling to Tolkien or Mickey Mouse rebelling to Walt Disney which is of course an impossibility and quite ridiculous.

3. Among the universal law is the 'law of opposing pair' which I've highlighted above, light x darkness, love x hatred, humility x pride, forgiveness x vengeance, security x fear, every 'thing' has it's own opposition pair. Personified; Angel represent the former while Demon represent the later as it opposite. Both polarity exist and both are still within the governance of this universal law. No creator's law is being broken here.

4. There's also another law, which functioned like a 'mirror', what goes around comes around, some people call it the law of 'karma'. Again this law also cannot be broken. You might refer to this law when you're refering to #1 above. Spread love and you will be loved, forgive and you will be forgiven, spread happiness and you will be happy. And the opposite is also true, referring  to the 'law of opposing pair', spread 'not love' and you will not be 'loved', spread hatred/fear and you will experience fear/hatred etc...
This law is not a form of 'punishment' as it functioned exactly like a mirror, it's a form of 'learning'. As one have experienced both hatred and love, one will naturally and eventually choose love. And this applies to everyone, human or non-human. Demon/Satan or any entities lenient towards spreading hatred and fear will always experienced hatred and fear themselves, until they 'jump/switch to the opposite', again the law functioned like a mirror and it's applicable to all form of entities, not only human.

The above is the answer of the 'right system' that you asked before and again it's automatically binding. If all universal laws was to be summarized in one ultimate law, it's the "Law Of Love".
As ultimately all will be forgiven when they start to forgive themselves.
And forgiveness is an expression of the highest form of love called 'unconditional love'.

That's the reason why I often said, if you want to be forgiven then forgive others, if you don't want to be judged don't judge others, if you want to be loved then love others. Because the law functioned exactly like a mirror.

Well not only me, actually Jesus, Siddhartha, Lao Tse and many other people also stated the same thing using their own style and languages. Again this law is universally binding, thus not only applicable to 'human', it exist even before human exist and it shall continue to exist even after human become extinct.

That's among the reason why I also often said Jesus, Siddhartha, Lao Tse recommend the 'attitude of islam' but of course it is NOT "The Religion of Islam".

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« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2022, 10:27:15 AM »
Yes Jafar, but look around the reality of the world.
Are we  not accountable for what we do?
Or who is responsible for all the wickedness, oppressions and injustice?

You may say "karma" . I say a day of justice-set aside- will come from the Created for all to witness true justice.
An atom s weight of good or an atom s weight of bad. Everything will be present  for each one.

So let us keep doing more good and being the best we can for ourselves and all our brothers and sisters-humans-
From my side of things,I love you brother and I forgive everyone who wronged me- you have not wronged me as far as I know- and I ask forgiveness from anyone I wronged.- if I wronged you unknowingly, forgive me-
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« Reply #10 on: September 22, 2022, 01:51:26 PM »
Yes Jafar, but look around the reality of the world.
Are we  not accountable for what we do?
Or who is responsible for all the wickedness, oppressions and injustice?

Without any 'harm doing', what is there to forgive?
The choice between "vengeance" or "forgiveness" is always an option that one can take, out of their own free will.

Be "thankful" for the 'harm doing' as that's one chance to give forgiveness.

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You may say "karma" . I say a day of justice-set aside- will come from the Created for all to witness true justice.
An atom s weight of good or an atom s weight of bad. Everything will be present  for each one.

It's known by many names, karma, what goes around comes around, reap what you sow, non-attachment, every good deed one does for it's own soul and every bad deed one does for it's own soul etc..

And as mentioned above it can be the "day" of "vengeance" or the "day" of "Forgiveness".

By the standard that you judged others you will also be judged, thus don't judge thus you shall not be judged. Forgive and you shall be forgiven. That's what Jesus, Siddharta and others recommend.
Because every events happened in accordance to the will of Abba/Father of All.

In other tradition this is known as the "Life Review Event", where every 'events' will be replayed for review and then forgiven/accepted or 'avenged/punished' depending on one's choice. Nothing shall remain 'hidden' in this universe as every thoughts of all identity/entity and events is recorded in the 'universal cloud database' to utmost clarity.

That's the backdrop why Siddharta and other Yogis said:
Forgiveness shall break the bond of karma.
Vengeance will only strengthen the bond of karma.

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So let us keep doing more good and being the best we can for ourselves and all our brothers and sisters-humans-

I will say humans and non-humans alike, as everything is the children of the father, the children of the one creator.
Including the 'dark' ones..

As the 'dark' are helping others to recognize the 'light'.
The bad are helping others to recognize the good.
Haters are helping others to recognize lovers.

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From my side of things,I love you brother and I forgive everyone who wronged me- you have not wronged me as far as I know- and I ask forgiveness from anyone I wronged.- if I wronged you unknowingly, forgive me-
GOD bless you.
Peace.

Thank you that's the recommended approach as the forgiveness that one give to others is the forgiveness that one give to his/her own self. Because everything exist in unity, or in sufis terminology 'wahdat al-wujd'.
And every events happened in accordance to the creator's will.

"Rebellion" thus separation is a manipulation invented by religion.
Yet as mentioned above, it also help one to recognize the opposite, unity.

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« Reply #11 on: September 22, 2022, 07:42:39 PM »
Bro Jafar,
Could I ask you something?

1. After we die, what will happen to us according to your belief?
2. What is the final destination for all of us?

Just for my curiosity!
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« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2022, 01:21:03 AM »
Very interesting discussion and thank you Good logic and Jaffer for such a wonderful communication.
I would like to ask one question to both of you please with respect to Karma or as Jafer explains it well.

In my opinion the greatest commandment and the message is to "believe in one and only one God and associate no partners in what so ever way". This is what Jesus also preached.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=db-lE_f2U5I

My only question is that on the surface it looks like the bounties and blessings and success is given to those nations who appear to oppose this commandment and the reverse is handed to those nations who claim or appear to believe in one God. So where is the Karma here?

Yes you may argue the authenticity of this statement saying those who claim to believe in one God actually do not practise that  in their daily life indirectly (like cheating, stealing, bad characters etc). and those who may not believe the oneness in technical terms are honest and inventors in their lives. But despite that those people appear to be chosen by God no matter how much they associate partners with him (it happens both in west and east. In east, two countries India and China are taking the lead now both appear to be not following the commandment that Jesus mentioned).

I believe that we have to separate the Karma when it comes to Believing in Almighty, perhaps the law of universe (call it science) rewards those folks who pursue, do hard work and seek knowledge and always ready to explore the universe) and it does NOT matter what their belief is when it comes to the very core of belief which God wants ie, believe in HIM truly as the ONE.

I feel we should separate the religion and science all together and see the world of Karma in a different way (not relating to belief in GOD).

Hence my inclination is slightly towards what Good logic mentioned "Accountability". If we believe in the Judgement day then perhaps this is where every one will be accountable for his actions and ALSO Belief no matter how much successful they were in world life. Otherwise the very message and many verses of Quran where God gives glad tidings and promise of punishment to those who still practice trinity would render meaningless....

What is your opinion please.
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« Reply #13 on: September 23, 2022, 10:31:08 AM »
Peace Fusion.
My take is this:
We are here to develop our spiritual self or starve it-i.e or only look after our physical self and prioritise this life only-
Therefore GOD our creator has put physical laws and moral laws in use in this universe These laws are set to create a limit and allow balance.

There is physical intelligence from education and institutes and experts- our academic levels in this life-how to think and use our knowledge to get a status here .
Then there is a moral and spiritual intelligence that is from our creator to help us develop our soul in readiness for next life.

Our moral  and spiritual needs  are connected to GOD s guidance. His scripture/s is/are a source of that knowledge

Either one believes and sets out to follow/Ubud/find out/learn and develop their character to be reflecting the good characteristics of GOD. like patience, love, forgiveness,responsibility etc..knowing for certain that we are going to meet GOD and be accountable.

Or one does not believe and sets out to choose and prioritise only this life,this includes those who pretend or ridicule or ...

In short Karma may happen in this life to warn and remind the person to return to GOD, but the real big karma is the day of judgement . Each soul has either been developed or left starved. Too late for any correction or remorse.
GOD bless you.
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« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2022, 01:37:32 PM »
Thank you Good Logic for your comments and explanation.
With all that is going on and had already happened on this planet and now that we are able to collect the data and read about it. I some times feel that the whole concept of Life/Earth in this universe is set out as an illusion or a simulation as many folks have talked about this concept lately, some say by a supreme far more intelligent post human species etc.

However when I read about the so called Accountability that you so also talked about it is the only reason I feel at peace and  I had to say that there is lot more to the simulation meaning there is life after this life and then there is going to be a judgement and based our our behavior on this planet/life. we may be judged by almighty and perhaps he will grant the righteous the promised heaven...isa


 
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« Reply #15 on: September 24, 2022, 07:22:23 PM »
Belief in one God itself is based on believing in Goodness of everyone, and the common goodness provider.

Quran says to each one has their own way, goodness is revealed through many ways even now, its ignored in the name of cult worship. Economic development of communities never show the right blessings, so many attrocities and evil things are behind these, good and bad are in every place, everything has two faces, so thank for the goodness and beware of the bad things is the wise thing to do. Most of us are hiding behind organized entities be it religions or govts and do all kind of atrocities of hate, we will be exposed and punished.

The world teaches us and communities learn whats good and bad, ex. the practice of
eating beef, is considered  good in some societies and bad in some, yes it can be. Those who milk them use them for cultivation etc normally has seen the benefits of those animals and so consider them auspicious and against killing and eating but others do not and need not. So we accept both as to each has their own way.

We believe whatever said in TVs, politically biased, false hyped ads, misleading people bright and knowledgeable people expose but these are ignored for our own individual benefits, we even oppose those and fight those people like the killing of the prophets in the past.


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« Reply #16 on: September 25, 2022, 01:08:59 AM »
Peace All.
Here are my reasons for opening this thread:
1- My wrestling with Qoran and my journey towards finding satisfactory explanation /s- i.e there could be different explanations of the same verses providing they do not contradict or make other verses contradict each other. If it is from GOD- and one believes it is GOD s words- then GOD never ever contradict Himself, errs or forgets or gives false information.-  By definition and nature of GOD the ALL KNOWLEDGEABLE.

2-Whenerver I come up with a contradiction in my understanding, considering I am studying GOD s words- I stop and check  properly exhausting all the possible avenues. . Yet all the time I find that with many verses, my search is ongoing.

3- If I was to summarise where I am , I will quote the following verse: 13:17

"He sends down water from the sky, causing the valleys to overflow, then the rapids produce abundant foam. Similarly, when they use fire to refine metals for their jewelry or equipment, foam is produced. God thus cites analogies for the truth and falsehood. As for the foam, it goes to waste, while that which benefits the people stays close to the ground. God thus cites the analogies.
أَنزَلَ مِنَ السَّماءِ ماءً فَسالَت أَودِيَةٌ بِقَدَرِها فَاحتَمَلَ السَّيلُ زَبَدًا رابِيًا وَمِمّا يوقِدونَ عَلَيهِ فِى النّارِ ابتِغاءَ حِليَةٍ أَو مَتٰعٍ زَبَدٌ مِثلُهُ كَذٰلِكَ يَضرِبُ اللَّهُ الحَقَّ وَالبٰطِلَ فَأَمَّا الزَّبَدُ فَيَذهَبُ جُفاءً وَأَمّا ما يَنفَعُ النّاسَ فَيَمكُثُ فِى الأَرضِ كَذٰلِكَ يَضرِبُ اللَّهُ الأَمثٰلَ

Water falls down and mixes with dirt and rubbish, then undergoes a journey in the river of mud and confusion then filters underneath in the rocks as pure drinkable water. Through this process , it has a difficult and pressing journey. It is getting rid of he rubbish it carries slowly only through all the difficulties and "Adhab" then it becomes "Adhbun /drinkable.
Throughout our life ,we are mixing and learning all sorts of mixtures and ,like the water we are carrying all sorts of rubbish and debri/confused,broken info.  and falsehood . We need to get rid /filter ourselves towards some kind of purity /dispose falsehood.

To be continued...GOD willing.
GOD bless you all.
Peace.
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good logic

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Re: The big contradictions in all religions v GOD s one message to all humans.
« Reply #18 on: September 26, 2022, 04:26:13 PM »
Are religions of men not many and varied?
Islam is not a religion. Islam to GOD is a state of mind

Those who do not believe in GOD or accountability  will reject all religions They at least take a consistent stand 
Those who claim to believe in GOD and follow men s religions are all divided into different religions and different sects within each religion, How can this not be a big contradiction  since there is only one GOD?

GOD does not give different religions and divides each religion into sects. This is inconsistency and cannot be from GOD

Also GOD does not ask anyone to fight others that have different religions since He has given everyone the freedom of choice of beliefs. GOD is just  and will not contradict Himself. One has the right only to defend themselves against aggression.

If one believes in true Islam to GOD , one s state /purpose will include  to follow GOD s message and upholds GOD s way of life in that message. That way of life should include the relationship and  good  behaviour with all his fellow peaceful humans .

Passing on the message can be done with amicable advice and peaceful means. Argue the best way by what is best amicably. Since we are all humans , we must be prepared to accept others "best" if it is clear to us it is better than our"best".. Not adapt a "my mind is made up"attitude."

GOD bless.
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