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Suffering through entire or most part of ones life

Started by Fusion, August 16, 2022, 02:47:16 PM

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Fusion

Hello Every one,
Am sure similar topics may have been discussed in this forum earlier, however I would like to bring on this subject in hope that some one can give an explanation that comforts my heart rather than providing cliche statements.

I was going through youtube and this following ad came. I am not talking whether the ad agency is genuine or not as there are definitely those who benefit from some ones else suffering. but my point is to ask the obvious. why some people of all the gods creations had to suffer in their lives for no obvious reason?
There are so many verses in Quran which points that God blesses those in this life as well who stood by faith and also there are also punishments to those in this life who spread "fasad" in this earth. But seeing such people, I just cant comprehend or reconcile Why?
Looking at such an ad and am sure there are so many people who are worse etc. the point is seeing or hearing such stories, I fail to even ask Lord for one favor of my own. I feel ashamed of asking while am perfectly healthy and be able to walk and talk etc.....

Any one can shed some light on why God created such people with such destiny from begin til end (yes some may say that they will go to heaven straight  and/or  it is their test... but really what a big test if that is the case,,,  and what a painful life if purpose of the creator was to give em life in this earth as they cant even enjoy the life in full). I am sure there must be an explanation.

The only reason that I can think of is God does what he wants,,, we cant understand some of his work and perhaps he will let us know on the day of judgement the actual reasons behind all of such suffering and in the end we just pray that He will show mercy to all such souls and on top he will not punish us for even thinking that HE has done it purposely. For some times I feel so low thinking of such people...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8U5NdDb1J_w&t=72s


Thank you


Best Regards,

Jafar



Happiness (and it's opposite; suffering) is a choice that one made.

Even facing death (which we all are from the moment we're born) one can be happy (or suffer), it's one's own choice.

Aladin Azra

Well known phrase "innaa li-llahi" is commonly translated as "We're Allah's" or "We belong to Allah", but in reality this phrase means "We're same for Allah", meaning that We as individuals are not special to Him, except those mentioned in 3:33. All is going by the Law He set up and His sunnet is not changing.

Many bad things happen to many kids during pregnancy and before and after. Sometimes parents and others involved think that something's good for a baby, but it is bad. Also, we are getting hurt by our fault or other people's fault, physically, emotionally, mentally, spiritually... Much darkness is in many people, which causes Zulm. Besides all this, what is told in 2:214 pours more light on why we suffer in this life.

The suffering and other bad things exist for us to understand many Names, such as those which carry the meaning of raHmet. All is created in pairs and there would be no good without bad in the same amount. Creation is like splitting of neutron on electron and proton.

Ordo ab LICENTIA.

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Fusion

Quote from: Jafar on August 16, 2022, 03:31:30 PM


Happiness (and it's opposite; suffering) is a choice that one made.

Even facing death (which we all are from the moment we're born) one can be happy (or suffer), it's one's own choice.

Yes it appears so and I tried doing that , some time it really works other times no. So I try to give an effort in a positive way.
Another angle to this quote:

https://www.silkandsonder.com/blogs/news/3-reasons-why-happiness-is-not-a-choice



Best Regards,

Jafar

Quote from: Fusion on August 19, 2022, 06:14:55 AM
Yes it appears so and I tried doing that , some time it really works other times no. So I try to give an effort in a positive way.
Another angle to this quote:

https://www.silkandsonder.com/blogs/news/3-reasons-why-happiness-is-not-a-choice

Everything on this universe is created with the concept of 'opposing pair'.

How can there be positive when negative doesn't exist?
One need to know the negative before the positive can be recognized.
One need to know the IS NOT before the IS can be recognized.

Pain/pleasure, bitter/sweet is mandatory yet suffering/happiness is always an option that one will choose. The former is the sense that one get from the events while the latter is the attitude towards the events.

We cannot control what we sense but we can always choose our attitude towards what we sense.

Emre_1974tr

Quote from: Jafar on August 19, 2022, 08:31:42 PM
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It is with this heretical belief in dualism that the spiritist doctrine imposes on you the lie that sin and evil are necessary.

Because if one thing has to exist with its opposite, then evil and bad people have to exist. And this is the perversion of making sin and evil and evil people look innocent. Satan even makes the villains look like secret real heroes. Because if someone has to play this dirty role, then those who choose evil are actually the supreme beings who sacrificially undertake this task. This is how the devil makes you spiritists, you pagans, adopt this perversion and lead you to sin.

The devil is also indoctrinating you into the perverted belief in evolution, which again instills the lie that sin and evil must exist for evolution.

So paganism, which at first glance appears to be loving, is actually a horrible trap that leads people and other servants to evil.

Also, again, paganism leads you to shirk and denial by making you adopt the lie that matter and universes are illusion. Because if all creation is illusion, then you actually embrace the lie that there is no existence other than God and you start worshipping all creation. With pantheism you start worshipping yourself and the universes. Because you start to think that you are God.

Also, with this belief, you deny paradise and hell, and even this universe. Satan destroys all your equilibrium. Also, you make God a limited being. Because the God in paganism cannot create out of nothing. He cannot actually create, according to spiritism. He can only evolve or offer illusion by deriving from himself, according to you. So in your pagan religion God is a limited being who has no power to create.  you don't have a real belief in God.
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Quote from: Jafar on August 19, 2022, 08:31:42 PM
Everything on this universe is created with the concept of 'opposing pair'.

How can there be positive when negative doesn't exist?
One need to know the negative before the positive can be recognized.
One need to know the IS NOT before the IS can be recognized.

Pain/pleasure, bitter/sweet is mandatory yet suffering/happiness is always an option that one will choose. The former is the sense that one get from the events while the latter is the attitude towards the events.

We cannot control what we sense but we can always choose our attitude towards what we sense.

Not necessary Brother Jafer.. You don't need to drink poison to know poison
You don't  need to eat bitter taste to know sweet taste..  You don't need to drink cold water to know what hot water is. Wrong assumption bro. I know you won't agree.. But if you reflect well you will get it

The assumption is applicable only amongst one common thing.. You can see the talented from weekling  if you let play a team... It doesn't necessarily so...  You will definitely see the exceptional talents even without he play in a team...

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Jafar

Quote from: jkhan on August 21, 2022, 04:36:14 AM
Not necessary Brother Jafer.. You don't need to drink poison to know poison
You don't  need to eat bitter taste to know sweet taste..  You don't need to drink cold water to know what hot water is. Wrong assumption bro. I know you won't agree.. But if you reflect well you will get it

The assumption is applicable only amongst one common thing.. You can see the talented from weekling  if you let play a team... It doesn't necessarily so...  You will definitely see the exceptional talents even without he play in a team...

Thank you

Are there any good babies? there isn't because there isn't any bad babies.
At least not as commonly defined.
Unless one define 'crying babies' as 'bad babies' but then all baby cries.. then all babies are 'bad babies'.

When bitter doesn't exist, then sweet is not recognized.
As all are sweet.

The same thing as 'weakling' citing your example below.
When 'weakling' doesn't exist 'strongling' will not be recognized.
When 'untalented' doesn't exist then 'talented' will not be recognized.

Thanks to my extremely talented skill on shooting free kick in football, one can recognize how heavily extremely talented footballer Lionel Messi is. As Messi has me as a benchmark.

Yet all, and by all I really mean ALL are created by the one, all are originated from the one.
Because there is no other.

Back to the main topic, every thing imposes a choice, as all those choices are created by the one.

Happiness or suffering is a choice.
Pride or humility is a choice
Separation or Unity is a choice.
Hatred or love is a choice.

Thus they say "Haters always gonna hate", because it's a choice made by them.
Regardless what happened they will always hate.
Until at one time, he/she/it decided to stop and choose the opposite.

Emre_1974tr

Quote from: Jafar on August 22, 2022, 04:46:04 AM
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When bitter doesn't exist, then sweet is not recognized.
As all are sweet.





No, on the contrary. Then the dessert will be much better known.

Peace would be much better known if there was no war. It's just that different techniques of naming and signifying it would be used.

You don't need the opposite to know that something exists. Even if there was no hell, the existence of paradise would be known and those in it would be thankful.

But the spiritist doctrine deceived you with the doctrine of dualism and made you adopt the lie that evil and sin are necessary. Satan's trap is the same throughout history.
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