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Mohammed.:
Peace,
There seems an issue with this article on shahr/timing
(I don't know this is already discussed, I searched the forum but didn't find)
From the article:
We also know from 2:189 that we should come into houses from the obvious front doors and not from the obscure backs. This hints to us that the "7ajj"/debate starts with the obvious full moon and that the unobvious crescent is what ends the "7ajj"/debate.
But 36:39 says:
And the moon we have measured it to appear in stages, until it returns like an old curved sheath.
Since it says "until it returns" (see ʿāda in 2:275 & 5:95) it implies that the moon becomes what it was in the beginning (it's initial shape, like an old curved sheath). So in 2:189 when God says we should come into houses from the doors/entrances not from the back, it hints to us to enter into the lunar cycles/months (shuhur) from the front/start/newmoon, not from other stages.
2:189
They ask you about the crescent moons. Say, “They are markers of time for mankind and for the hajj.” It is not piety that you should come to houses from their rear, but piety is he who is reverent and comes into houses by their doors/entrances. So reverence God, that you may succeed.
So crescent moons serve as timing devices for the start and end of shuhur (including the lunar months for hajj).
Wakas:
That article was discussed over 262 pages:
https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9188.0
And if you dont want to read 250+ pages, I did it for you, and gave my views here:
https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9188.msg388725#msg388725
Aladin Azra:
--- Quote from: Mohammed. on July 15, 2022, 10:29:42 AM ---This hints to us that the "7ajj"/debate starts with the obvious full moon and that the unobvious crescent is what ends the "7ajj"/debate.[/i]
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I'm confused now. Who's saying that el-ehillet are "full moons"? Are they ppl from fm.org? I suppose next is your understanding...
--- Quote from: Mohammed. on July 15, 2022, 10:29:42 AM ---They ask you about the crescent moons.
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I wonder how you come to conclusion that el-ehillet are the crescent moons? And why would anybody ask (or better: keep on asking, due to imperfect used) about the crescent moon or any moon? Btw, if you think that el-ehillet is a plural of hilaal, I agree that hilaal is crescent moon and not new moon, but I don't agree these are singular and plural of the same word.
From what you said you have a problem with 2 crescent moon which last a few days every lunar month. So, "Hatta `aade" in 36:39 for you should be the time when the moon is going to fully disappear (become invisible, ie. be a new moon)? If I understood what you wanted to say, the lunar month starts before new moon (from last quarter to new moon, which is crescent phase), not with new moon, right?
But, I think we should first see what el-ehillet means, especially in the only 1 occurence used.
Euphoric:
The word MONTH comes from the word MOON even in the Arabic language.
Mohammed.:
--- Quote from: Wakas on July 15, 2022, 11:37:14 AM ---That article was discussed over 262 pages:
https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9188.0
And if you dont want to read 250+ pages, I did it for you, and gave my views here:
https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9188.msg388725#msg388725
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Thanks for the links. Yeah, unlike with ashhur(consecutive fullmoons), it doesn't make sense with singular.
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