Quote from: Mohammed. on July 16, 2022, 09:21:19 AM
it occurs only once in the Qur'an, and Arabic lexicons give crescent moons or new moons. I think both the meanings fit here.
They were not familiar with islamic systems, here, islamic tyming system and which is based on Sun and Moon (10:5).
Please see all other places/contexts where this phrase (yas-alunaka) is used.
No, lunar month starts with new moon.
In short, as per 36:39 God mentions Moon phases from new moon, not from full moon. i.e. islamic tyming system starts (e.g. for hajj) with newmoon itself (enter houses from the doors).
You haven't seen a problem? There are 2 crescent moons in each lunar month:
1) new moon - CRESCENT - 1st quarter...
2) full moon - 3/4 moon (gibbous, greater then a half moon) - half moon - CRESCENT
If you think that moon should go back to be "like an old palm tree", then this should mean that the moon should go back to crescent, and this would mean that the new lunar month starts and will go like: CRESCENT - new moon - CRESCENT - 1st quarter... but then there will be another problem, because crescent came back after just 2 phases and a new month should start from here to 1st quarter, etc. to another CRESCENT, then new moon, etc. Practically, there would be two months in what we currently count as one lunar month. This is why we should rethink about word el-'urjoon الْعُرْجُون in 36:39, maybe it's not from the root 'ayn-ra-jim-noon, as the only word from this root, maybe it's from 'ayn-ra-jim and describes ascending, which has a lot connection with moon's phases and its motion, much more then some figurative word, which maybe never existed.
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I know that el-ehillet exists in only one aayet, but that should not be a reason for us to guess its meaning from lexicons, especially cuz they lack of explanation and examples for this word. We should notice that this word is very, very, very important, since it's something people keep on asking, and it's 2nd question mentioned in the Qur'an, just after asking about (nearness of) Allah.
There's no "islamic timing system"; time is time. If you think something like "time for Hajj" then you should think about that Ibrahim set the Hajj and it was praxis of the people from Ibrahim to Muhammed, so el-ehillet as a reason (or time) for Hajj existed much before the Qur'an was revealed, for many of different people (generations).
As I understood, these people asking about el-ehillet didn't know what ehillet are, what's their use (since they were forbidden something, and figured out that they got something wrong about this word).
It would be good if you can provide your translation of 2:189 and 36:39, or anybody else's you can accept, if you cannot translate it.
And, most important for the end: Your topic is about shehr, but shehr is not mentioned in 2:189 nor in 36:39.
