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Even knowledge is a belief

Started by Emre_1974tr, June 15, 2022, 07:50:24 PM

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Emre_1974tr

All accepted knowledge is also belief. To give a specific example, let's look at the American moon landing. Now almost everyone, including me, believes wholeheartedly that the Americans were the first to set foot on the moon. The proof of its reality is countless. For one thing, this event was broadcast on television. Samples were brought from the moon and so on. But despite this, there are those who do not believe this obvious information. They too have their own proofs. People who believe that this was a conspiracy to gain a psychological advantage over the Soviets at that time have presented their proofs. And today some people believe them, even if they are one in a million.

Now, our belief in the moon landing is our belief. This is despite all their proofs.... On the other hand, it is their belief that those who do not believe in it do not believe in it.

We can generalize this for every scientific fact. Even the simplest facts like the existence of planets are our beliefs. It is entirely up to us (the individual) whether we believe in this knowledge or not, whether we consider the evidence sufficient or not.

Can the speed of light be exceeded? Is the theory of evolution true or not? All these are nothing but beliefs.

Now you may say, "But this has been proven, there can be no belief." Whether it is based on proof or something else, it is still nothing but our belief whether we believe in it or not.

How do you think many false theories have been disproved? When something was accepted as scientific fact by everyone, including scientists, it was disbelieved by some scientists, and then these skeptical scientists demolished those general assumptions with their own proofs. The beliefs of those who believed in the reality of that demolished misinformation were their beliefs, and the beliefs of the scientists who demolished that theory by believing it to be false were their beliefs.

A general assumption is nothing but a belief, even if it is based on its own proofs. Whether we believe in that knowledge or not, whether we find the proofs sufficient and logical or not, determines our belief.

In short, knowledge = strong belief based on evidence. We call it knowledge when we wholeheartedly believe in the reality of something based on some evidence. Everything from what our name is to accepting the reality of gravity is our belief.

Unfortunately, people today confuse "belief" with "conjecture". Belief in things that are uncertain and not based on evidence is conjecture, guesswork.

The Qur'an forbids following conjecture, that is, things that are not based on proof:

Surah Isra

36. Do not believe in what you do not know and follow after it, for the hearing, the sight and the brain are all responsible for it.

Surat al-Hujurat

6. O you who believe! When a corrupt person brings you news, investigate and search for evidence! Otherwise you may accuse a people out of ignorance and regret what you have done.

Therefore, all superstitious beliefs are forbidden and those who follow such unsubstantiated beliefs will be disappointed in the Hereafter.

In contrast, the fact that the Qur'an is the word of Allah and does not change is based on evidence. You can examine a very important part of this evidence at www.mucizeler.com.

When we take all this together with the basic revelation that was revealed to us at creation, we can easily see that what the Qur'an says is completely true. Let us give examples of verses that emphasize the basic divine knowledge given to us at creation:

7:172 When your Lord took from the children of Adam from their backs, their progeny; and He made them witness over themselves: "Am I not your Lord?" They said, "Yes, we bear witness." Thus you cannot say on the day of Resurrection that you were unaware of this.

7:173 Nor can you say, "It was our fathers who set up partners before and we were simply a progeny who came after them. Would You destroy us for what the innovators did?"

30:30 So establish yourself to the system of monotheism. It is the nature that God has made the people on. There is no changing in God's creation. Such is the pure system, but most people do not know.

Through this basic revelation, we innately know the existence and uniqueness of God, that it is good to treat people well, and so on. Unless we have turned our backs on this program of creation.

And this basic knowledge within us provides us with an important proof of the authenticity of the Qur'an. We are obliged to believe in the Qur'an because it is in harmony with the revelation (spirit) implanted in us at creation. Because it is based on evidence. It is not an assumption, but real knowledge (faith).

Our Lord wants us to abandon superstition and delusion and turn towards true knowledge and faith.

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Note: My Turkish article was machine translated into English.
https://emre1974tr.blogspot.com/2011/07/bilgiler-bile-birer-inanctr.html

Peace
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Emre_1974tr

In short, knowledge = strong belief based on evidence

As I have shown, there are no people without faith. There is only a difference between people who believe in the truth and people who believe in falsehood.

That is why we are obliged to believe in the truth and to avoid superstition.

And this is the separation of good and evil. It is one of the indicators of whether you are good or bad.

As explained in the verses, the people of hell are not only deviating in the religious field, but also in distinguishing between what is good and what is bad. Even the things they think they are doing good are actually evil.

We are obliged to turn towards true goodness by means of the revelations (spirit, i.e. revelation) that we are born with and by means of the intellect given to us by Allah.

Who turn towards truth, beauty and goodness always win.
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good logic

Brother Emre.

What is the difference between  a machine translation and a normal translation?
Do you use the machine to translate verses of Qoran in English or do you do that normally - with study and research/guidance...-?
Since all translations are human controlled, which ones can be trusted for accuracy?
In that case there may be issues with a machine translation like there are with normal human translations.

I am just wondering when you say to us you are using a machine for translation, are you   putting a disclaimer- warning us- the translations could be right or wrong?.i.e what is the probability of your own certainty about the machine you use?
GOD bless you.
Peace.
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Emre_1974tr

Quote from: good logic on September 02, 2024, 04:09:24 AMBrother Emre.

What is the difference between  a machine translation and a normal translation?
Do you use the machine to translate verses of Qoran in English or do you do that normally - with study and research/guidance...-?
Since all translations are human controlled, which ones can be trusted for accuracy?
In that case there may be issues with a machine translation like there are with normal human translations.

I am just wondering when you say to us you are using a machine for translation, are you   putting a disclaimer- warning us- the translations could be right or wrong?.i.e what is the probability of your own certainty about the machine you use?
GOD bless you.
Peace.

Dear GoodLogic,

Now, I also  translate verses  by machine, but from Turkish to English. If it continues to develop at this rate, artificial intelligence will translate better than humans next year, and then I will translate the verses from Arabic to English. By the way, the English translations of the Qur'an made by humans are a disaster, unfortunately.

I am reporting that it is a machine translation because there may be errors and you can observe the development of artificial intelligence in this field...
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good logic

Thank you Emre.
 I am not sure machines will fare any better than humans.
 However the human sincere seeker of guidance from the creator will have an advantage.
Best of luck to you.
GOD bless you.
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Emre_1974tr

They'll be much better than us, I have no doubt, brother.

It's all a question of whether they'll be in the hands of evil forces.

Unfortunately, the forces of evil dominate in every field today.

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amin

man created machines are anyday machines, how much ARTIFICIAL intelligence you impart.

Since ages machines and tools are being used, now its no different, people used machines and tools both to kill and save people and this will continue.

The thing is now, how much powerfull is the natural system is, our older books including Quran says its more powerfull than we think of, it can destroy and reset everything before we can even think about. So nothing to worry, i firmly believe there is a mechanism to fix automatially embedded in the system and that will safeguard us.

Bajram Hoxhaj

AI struggles with deep reasoning and complex problem-solving. Programs can fall short in math and logic due to their lack of instinctual understanding, unlike animals. For instance, a dog sniffs each path instinctively, while humans deduce alternatives like "if not A or B, then C." Without precise training, AI may struggle beyond its data and can become delusional when new parameters are added.

Stanford ChatGPT Getting Dumber
https://futurism.com/the-byte/stanford-chatgpt-getting-dumber

GPT-4 Might Just Be a Bloated, Pointless Mess
https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2023/03/openai-gpt-4-parameters-power-debate/673290/

Emre_1974tr

Chess computers in the seventies looked very primitive. But today they have reached such a level that even the creators of those chess programmes cannot understand the games they play and their strategies. They find techniques and strategies that are not in their programmes and develop new chess strategies.

The latest chess programmes even play millions of matches by themselves and learn chess completely on their own. The only knowledge they have is the rules of chess. Everything else - playing styles, strategies, systems, systems, ways of opening and mate - they create from scratch.

And this new generation of game engines is crushing the world champions in both chess and Go. They have even started to mate humanity in real-time strategy games like Cossacks.

This will happen rapidly in every field from mathematics to philosophy. artificial intelligence will be trillions of times better than us. They will do the solution, calculation and reasoning that we will do in millions of years in a few seconds.

We are currently in the first stage of artificial intelligence. With the new artificial intelligence called Strawberry, which is expected to be released this month, we will move to the second stage. Artificial intelligence, which is currently at the level of primary school children, will have the intelligence of high school or university people in this second step. In total, 5 stages will be realised and if this speed goes at this speed, we will reach the 5th stage within 2 years. But it seems that even the 2nd and 3rd stages that we will reach only next year will enable us to move to the 'super intelligence' stage.
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Bajram Hoxhaj

If quantum computers play chess against each other, there is no intelligence involved. In this scenario, a quantum computer would simply calculate all the possible outcomes and play the optimal move at each step. This is a process of computation, not intelligence. The computer is executing algorithms, not thinking or strategizing like a human does.

Once chess is fully solved (10^120 games) each position would have a "best move" determined. There would be no room for creativity, adaptation, or decision-making—just following the calculated path. In this case, chess becomes like tic-tac-toe, where the outcome is predictable if both sides play optimally.

Computers do not "understand" chess or think like humans do. They don't exhibit intelligence in the way humans do; they just process inputs (board positions) and produce outputs (best moves) based on predefined algorithms. This is brute-force calculation, not intelligence.