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« Reply #30 on: December 06, 2022, 03:38:08 PM »
 SCOTT RITTER: Merkel Reveals West’s Duplicity
December 5, 2022
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War, it seems, was the only option Russia’s opponents had ever considered.


Russian President Vladimir Putin with then German Chancellor Angela Merkel on May 10, 2015, at the Kremlin. (Russian Government)

By Scott Ritter
Special to Consortium News



Recent comments by former German Chancellor Angela Merkel shed light on the duplicitous game played by Germany, France, Ukraine and the United States in the lead-up to the Russian invasion of Ukraine in February.

While the so-called “collective west” (the U.S., NATO, the E.U. and the G7) continue to claim that Russia’s invasion of Ukraine was an act of “unprovoked aggression,” the reality is far different: Russia had been duped into believing there was a diplomatic solution to the violence that had broken out in the Donbass region of eastern Ukraine in the aftermath of the 2014 U.S.-backed Maidan coup in Kiev.

Instead, Ukraine and its Western partners were simply buying time until NATO could build a Ukrainian military capable of capturing the Donbass in its entirety, as well as evicting Russia from Crimea.

In an interview last week with Der Spiegel, Merkel alluded to the 1938 Munich compromise. She compared the choices former British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain had to make regarding Nazi Germany with her decision to oppose Ukrainian membership in NATO, when the issue was raised at the 2008 NATO summit in Bucharest.

By holding off on NATO membership, and later by pushing for the Minsk accords, Merkel believed she was buying Ukraine time so that it could better resist a Russian attack, just as Chamberlain believed he was buying the U.K. and France time to gather their strength against Hitler’s Germany

The takeaway from this retrospection is astounding. Forget, for a moment, the fact that Merkel was comparing the threat posed by Hitler’s Nazi regime to that of Vladimir Putin’s Russia, and focus instead in on the fact that Merkel knew that inviting Ukraine into NATO would trigger a Russian military response.

Rather than reject this possibility altogether, Merkel instead pursued a policy designed to make Ukraine capable of withstanding such an attack.

War, it seems, was the only option Russia’s opponents had ever considered.

[See: Biden Confirms Why the U.S. Needed This War, Consortium News.]


Merkel and Joe Biden kissing at 2015 Munich Security Conference with then Secretary of State John Kerry. (Mueller/MSC/Flickr)

Putin: Minsk Was a Mistake

Merkel’s comments parallel those made in June by former Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko to several western media outlets. “Our goal,” Poroshenko declared, “was to, first, stop the threat, or at least to delay the war — to secure eight years to restore economic growth and create powerful armed forces.” Poroshenko made it clear that Ukraine had not come to the negotiating table on the Minsk Accords in good faith.

This is a realization that Putin has come to as well. In a recent meeting with Russian wives and mothers of Russian troops fighting in Ukraine, including a few widows of fallen soldiers, Putin acknowledged that it was a mistake to agree to the Minsk accords, and that the Donbass problem should have been resolved by force of arms at that time, especially given the mandate he had been handed by the Russian Duma regarding authorization to use Russian military forces in “Ukraine,” not just Crimea.

Putin’s belated realization should send shivers down the spine of all those in the West who operate on the misconception that there can now somehow be a negotiated settlement to the Russian-Ukrainian conflict.

None of Russia’s diplomatic interlocutors have demonstrated a modicum of integrity when it comes to demonstrating any genuine commitment to a peaceful resolution to the ethnic violence which emanated from the bloody events of the Maidan in February 2014, which overthrew an OSCE-certified, democratically-elected Ukrainian president.

Response to Resistance


Ukrainian government tank fire against Donbass. (Ukraine MOD)

When Russian speakers in Donbass resisted the coup and defended that democratic election, they declared independence from Ukraine. The response from the Kiev coup regime was to launch an eight-year vicious military attack against them that killed thousands of civilians. Putin waited eight years to recognize their independence and then launched a full-scale invasion of Donbass in February.

He had previously waited on the hope that the Minsk Accords, guaranteed by Germany and France and endorsed unanimously by the U.N. Security Council (including by the U.S.), would resolve the crisis by giving Donbass autonomy while remaining part of Ukraine. But Kiev never implemented the accords and were not sufficiently pressured to do so by the West.

The detachment shown by the West, as every pillar of perceived legitimacy crumbled — from the OSCE observers (some of whom, according to Russia, were providing targeting intelligence about Russian separatist forces to the Ukrainian military); to the Normandy Format pairing of Germany and France, which was supposed to ensure that the Minsk Accords would be implemented; to the United States, whose self-proclaimed “defensive” military assistance to Ukraine from 2015 to 2022 was little more than a wolf in sheep’s clothing — all underscored the harsh reality that there never was going to be a peaceful settlement of the issues underpinning the Russian-Ukrainian conflict.

And there never will be.

War, it seems, was the solution sought by the “collective West,” and war is the solution sought by Russia today.

Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind.

On reflection, Merkel was not wrong in citing Munch 1938 as an antecedent to the situation in Ukraine today. The only difference is this wasn’t a case of noble Germans seeking to hold off the brutal Russians, but rather duplicitous Germans (and other Westerners) seeking to deceive gullible Russians.

This will not end well for either Germany, Ukraine, or any of those who shrouded themselves with the cloak of diplomacy, all the while hiding from view the sword they held behind their backs.

Scott Ritter is a former U.S. Marine Corps intelligence officer who served in the former Soviet Union implementing arms control treaties, in the Persian Gulf during Operation Desert Storm and in Iraq overseeing the disarmament of WMD. His most recent book is Disarmament in the Time of Perestroika, published by Clarity Press.

The views expressed are solely those of the author and may or may not reflect those of Consortium News.



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Re: A useful background to understand the present conflict in Ukraine...
« Reply #31 on: December 07, 2022, 12:24:58 PM »
The mobilization attempted by Putin's Kremlin is not going well: https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/17/europe/russia-soldiers-desert-battlefield-intl-cmd/index.html

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Russia’s first mobilization since World War II may be complete, but the deployment of thousands of soldiers to the battlefields of Ukraine is generating dissent and protest on the front lines – and back home.

With the Russian government touting that at least 50,000 of the recently drafted are now in Ukraine, a long list of complaints is emerging: Lack of leadership from mid-ranking officers, tactics that lead to heavy casualties, non-existent training, promised payments not received.

There are also logistical difficulties, as reported by soldiers, their families and Russian military bloggers: Insufficient uniforms, poor food, a lack of medical supplies.

And there are discipline issues, with some families complaining their men face charges of desertion and are being held in basements in occupied Ukrainian territory.

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Re: A useful background to understand the present conflict in Ukraine...
« Reply #32 on: December 14, 2022, 02:36:17 PM »
Some 10 Months down the line from its original unjustified invasion, the Kremlin is expected to lose 100,000 Soldiers by Christmas.

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-loses-24-tanks-day-100000-death-toll-nears-ukraine-winter-casualties-1766403

"Russian forces in Ukraine lost another 24 tanks as of Sunday, according to the latest figures from Ukraine's armed forces, as the total alleged casualty figure for the nine-month old invasion neared 100,000 troops.

Per Ukraine's newest figures released on Monday morning, Russia has now lost 2,966 tanks since Moscow's troops crossed into Ukrainian territory on February 24.

Another 620 Russian troops were claimed killed by the Ukrainian armed forces, bringing the total to 94,760 since February 24. At the current rate of 300 to 400 deaths reported each day, Russia's military could reach the grim 100,000 milestone by Christmas Day. Ukrainian forces estimate Moscow has so far suffered some 284,280 injured and another 1,000 captured...

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Re: A useful background to understand the present conflict in Ukraine...
« Reply #33 on: December 14, 2022, 02:39:29 PM »
See also: https://www.newsweek.com/russia-pace-100000-dead-soldiers-christmas-ukraine-defense-1766247

"The death toll of Russian soldiers in Ukraine keeps mounting at 300-600 per day, according to Ukraine's Ministry of Defense, which updates the tally every day. Keeping its current pace, Russia could hit the grim 100,000 mark by Christmas Day.

Ukraine estimates there have been 94,140 Russian deaths since the war began nearly 10 months ago. This includes 380 in the last day. The mark was at 91,150 just seven days earlier. At 3,000 soldiers killed each week, the death toll would reach 97,000 by Dec. 18 and perhaps 100,000 by Christmas Day.

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Re: A useful background to understand the present conflict in Ukraine...
« Reply #34 on: December 14, 2022, 11:35:12 PM »
So who is telling the truth?
Has any independent verifier witnessed /checked the figures or is there propaganda from both parties?

Is Ukraine not in alliance with the west? So the west is also taking part somehow,directly or indirectly, and fighting Russia.
According to the figures of Ukraine, more than one third of the fighting force of Russia and most of its equipment have been destroyed, easy victory in the pipeline soon?
The humans never fail to justify what they do by lies /propaganda . Are we this gullible to accept wars FROM one sided information or the other?
So who s side are we on?
I denounce war, war mongers and aggressive nation/s whoever they are. The problem is  greed and mistrust between your fellow humans.
They fight to acquire wealth/power, land and resources by any means. Do we know the real cause of this conflict or are we just believing one side or the other?
Or is Russia wrong but the west and Ukraine right?
Then why do America and the west not call for truce and peace between the two if they have the people s interest of both nations as a motive?
Do hundreds of thousands of humans dying not matter to both sides and to all of us?
Carry on fighting and killing each other and see what happens then fellow humans!! No side will win period!!
I do not want one side or the other to win. I want both sides to cut their losses and both win.
May the Lord have mercy on us humans.
GOD bless you all.
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Re: A useful background to understand the present conflict in Ukraine...
« Reply #35 on: December 15, 2022, 03:05:48 AM »
Even a common person knows who dragged Russia into the war and for what vested interests.
Its the same story when Russian entered into Afghans.
While we continue to be consumers of propaganda factory in this forum.
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Re: A useful background to understand the present conflict in Ukraine...
« Reply #36 on: December 15, 2022, 07:56:51 AM »
Do not worry brother Fusion. GOD is in control,always has been and always will be as far as those who submit wholly are concerned.

Justice of GOD will prevail. Believers will be protected under His guidance and watchful eye.
The world of unfairness,injustice and pretence will be defeated and will fail.
GOD bless you.
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Re: A useful background to understand the present conflict in Ukraine...
« Reply #37 on: December 15, 2022, 08:04:07 AM »
Do not worry brother Fusion. GOD is in control,always has been and always will be as far as those who submit wholly are concerned.

Justice of GOD will prevail. Believers will be protected under His guidance and watchful eye.
The world of unfairness,injustice and pretence will be defeated and will fail.
GOD bless you.
Peace.
Do you really think so? Look around you? how many years of suffering oppressed nations at hands of powerful countries/occupiers? I do not think the concept of full justice and punishment exists in this world. And so we are supposed to believe the hereafter in which God will do the absolute justice and I hope he will forgive us all.... because no one is pure.

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« Reply #38 on: December 15, 2022, 09:57:20 AM »
For some people this world is paradise . For some it is hell, And for others it can be a see saw of both.
In all cases, suffering, accidents,  illnesses,bad luck...etc, cannot be prevented or controlled. Even if some can get lucky again, Nobody can evade death eventually.
So humans are not in control . Who is in control then? Why all humans die?
This alone is proof that another power is in control.
If one believes in GOD as the sole power, then there is nothing to worry about. His message reassures the believer that no matter what happens to them in this life, another meeting with the Lord in another life is waiting for them.
GOD s promise and justice will prevail in the most important period,their next life.

We have no choice but to be patient, do our best, and wait.
GOD bless you.
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Re: A useful background to understand the present conflict in Ukraine...
« Reply #39 on: December 15, 2022, 10:32:26 AM »
For some people this world is paradise . For some it is hell, And for others it can be a see saw of both.
In all cases, suffering, accidents,  illnesses,bad luck...etc, cannot be prevented or controlled. Even if some can get lucky again, Nobody can evade death eventually.
So humans are not in control . Who is in control then? Why all humans die?
This alone is proof that another power is in control.
If one believes in GOD as the sole power, then there is nothing to worry about. His message reassures the believer that no matter what happens to them in this life, another meeting with the Lord in another life is waiting for them.
GOD s promise and justice will prevail in the most important period,their next life.

We have no choice but to be patient, do our best, and wait.
GOD bless you.
Peace.
Thanks buddy.

It appears for those who party (with their wealth and beauty and fame) this life appears paradise to the other party who live in poor and destruction and away from basic necessities of life and also die like the first ones.

We will be asked about the  bounties that Almighty had bestowed for the nourishment of mankind, but which we collected to satisfy our own greed and will also be asked whose toils and blood it was that decorated our palaces of joy and pleasure and what right we had to usurp them. [excerpt from GA-Pervez understanding of 102:08]

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